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Ammzi
Infinite Covenant Tribal Band
1319
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Posted - 2013.04.09 15:26:00 -
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Hello sir/madam who is looking for renting opportunities in nullsec.
Tribal Band has recently opened it doors up to renting as we are aware of a certain population who wish to simply be their own independent group and live in nullsec to do whatever they may want to do for a small fee. We can give you this opportunity, but not simply for one system, but multiple constellations for an entry fee.
You see, our renting program is different from the old school way of renting in that we give you access to 4 constellations, 2 in Period Basis and 2 in Paragon Soul where you can rat, mine, build stuff and base out of for roams/pvp (if that's what you like). This means you will be sharing resources with other inhabitants, however the risk of having a system locked down and the consequences are minimized since you can move your activities to a different system.
The following 4 constellations are what you will be given access to:
You will be free to setup POS' and of course you will have docking rights, offices, repairs, etc. in the stations in those areas. The full policy can be seen at: http://wiki.tribalband.net/index.php/Renting
The fee is as follows:
Quote:2B/montha base plus 50mil isk per member on your corp ticker. Example: A 50 Man corp is 2bil + 2.5bil (50m * 50) = 4.5bil a month. Deposit would be 2.25bil.
As well as some important notes to make:
Quote:
- Rent is locked in on 3 month lease contracts. Prices will stay fixed for a 3 month period, at which point the prices may change or be renegotiated for the next 3 month period
- First months rent will include a half-month deposit. Any fines or reimbursements for AWOX related issues will come out of this deposit.
- Renting member corps are expected to pay their rent on time (1st of the month, every month, with the 7th an absolute deadline before termination). If joining between rental payment dates, corps are expected to pay a partial down-payment, to be negotiated with your designated contact.
If you have question or if you are interested feel free to contact me and I will do my best to help you out. quote CCP Spitfire
"Hello Im Blue,"
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Forgotten N Forsaken
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
12
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Posted - 2013.04.09 15:42:00 -
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Are there any higher value moons still avilable or have they all been sucked up by the current renter base?
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Dood Toon
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2013.04.09 15:48:00 -
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Quote:note that only Executors can finalize rent prices, all other prices are to be considered quotes and estimates only.
Quote: Rental Executor(s)Crelic of Infinite Covenant [INCOV]
your not crelic...
even if I wouldnt have seen your alliance creation scam, I-¦d find this fishy as hell. let me guess... Amnzi`s 3rd paty service in a week? |

Ammzi
Infinite Covenant Tribal Band
1319
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Posted - 2013.04.09 15:54:00 -
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Any and all isk will be setup by a contract from the dudes in charge of renting to your corp. No isk will be going through me.
All higher value moons r16's and up have presumably already been taken, yes. quote CCP Spitfire
"Hello Im Blue,"
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Ammzi
Infinite Covenant Tribal Band
1319
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Posted - 2013.04.09 15:55:00 -
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double post. :( sorry quote CCP Spitfire
"Hello Im Blue,"
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Xayder
NED-Clan Goonswarm Federation
236
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Posted - 2013.04.09 16:05:00 -
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nice scam going right there I don't always post, But when i post I do it with my main |

Ammzi
Infinite Covenant Tribal Band
1319
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Posted - 2013.04.09 16:08:00 -
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Xayder wrote:nice scam going right there
Yes, sir goon - overlord and master. quote CCP Spitfire
"Hello Im Blue,"
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Ammzi
Infinite Covenant Tribal Band
1319
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Posted - 2013.04.10 15:49:00 -
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I might be barely 30 min. too early on the bump, but here's for nice moderators! Renting is still very much available. quote CCP Spitfire
"Hello Im Blue,"
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Alekksander Geinesa
Hateful Munitions
0
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Posted - 2013.04.10 19:11:00 -
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Ammzi wrote:Hello sir/madam who is looking for renting opportunities in nullsec.Tribal Band has recently opened it doors up to renting as we are aware of a certain population who wish to simply be their own independent group and live in nullsec to do whatever they may want to do for a small fee. We can give you this opportunity, but not simply for one system, but multiple constellations for an entry fee. You see, our renting program is different from the old school way of renting in that we give you access to 4 constellations, 2 in Period Basis and 2 in Paragon Soul where you can rat, mine, build stuff and base out of for roams/pvp (if that's what you like). This means you will be sharing resources with other inhabitants, however the risk of having a system locked down and the consequences are minimized since you can move your activities to a different system. The following 4 constellations are what you will be given access to:You will be free to setup POS' and of course you will have docking rights, offices, repairs, etc. in the stations in those areas. The full policy can be seen at: http://wiki.tribalband.net/index.php/RentingThe fee is as follows:Quote:2B/montha base plus 50mil isk per member on your corp ticker. Example: A 50 Man corp is 2bil + 2.5bil (50m * 50) = 4.5bil a month. Deposit would be 2.25bil. As well as some important notes to make:Quote:
- Rent is locked in on 3 month lease contracts. Prices will stay fixed for a 3 month period, at which point the prices may change or be renegotiated for the next 3 month period
- First months rent will include a half-month deposit. Any fines or reimbursements for AWOX related issues will come out of this deposit.
- Renting member corps are expected to pay their rent on time (1st of the month, every month, with the 7th an absolute deadline before termination). If joining between rental payment dates, corps are expected to pay a partial down-payment, to be negotiated with your designated contact.
If you have question or if you are interested feel free to contact me and I will do my best to help you out. Q&A from this thread:Ammzi wrote:Any and all isk will be setup by a contract from the dudes in charge of renting to your corp. No isk will be going through me.
Ammzi wrote:All higher value moons r16's and up have presumably already been taken, yes.
DO NOT RENT SPACE FROM TRIBAL!
Ammzi is a well known scammer and will take your ISK....
Check this post for more details
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=57241
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Ammzi
Infinite Covenant Tribal Band
1319
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Posted - 2013.04.10 19:32:00 -
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Sigh again - you should NOT send me any isk. The renting fee will be setup in a contract to renting alliance's holding corp. I will not be touching any of it - I will simply be a point of initial contact if you're interested. The rest will be handled by the renting diplos.
If you wish you can even bypass me completely and get in contact with TRIBE diplos yourself. quote CCP Spitfire
"Hello Im Blue,"
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Alekksander Geinesa
Hateful Munitions
0
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Posted - 2013.04.10 19:41:00 -
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Ammzi wrote:Sigh again - you should NOT send me any isk. The renting fee will be setup in a contract to renting alliance's holding corp. I will not be touching any of it - I will simply be a point of initial contact if you're interested. The rest will be handled by the renting diplos.
If you wish you can even bypass me completely and get in contact with TRIBE diplos yourself.
Im sure.....
Yeah guys... so Tribal choice a known scammer to represent their space renting program? Yeah, ok dont send him any isk.. send it to his alt... or someone that he has already made an agreement with!
DO NOT RENT SPACE FROM TRIBAL! YOU WILL BE SCAMMED |

Ammzi
Infinite Covenant Tribal Band
1319
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Posted - 2013.04.10 19:42:00 -
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There are multiple posts from multiple entities from within TRIBE including the renting diplos. I am sorry you're bad at doing research :(
Hit me up ingame if you ever need help with search engines. quote CCP Spitfire
"Hello Im Blue,"
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Alekksander Geinesa
Hateful Munitions
0
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Posted - 2013.04.10 20:46:00 -
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Ammzi wrote:There are multiple posts from multiple entities from within TRIBE including the renting diplos. I am sorry you're bad at doing research :(
Hit me up ingame if you ever need help with search engines.
Im sure your "renting diplos" are just as legit as you right?
Again guys, you will be scammed.... they will let you move in and then they will ransom your PoSes, and trap your assets in station so that you have to fire sell them omega cheaply.
With this whole donut of power thing going down, they are lacking targets, and as a result they are trying scams like this one just to give their pilots something to shoot at so they dont leave.......
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Ammzi
Infinite Covenant Tribal Band
1319
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Posted - 2013.04.10 20:50:00 -
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Oh, you don't have to take my word for it, not the renting diplos either. You can just ask those who have decided to take us up on the offer.
Of course now you will claim that we have manufactured false corporations with 20 members and inserted them in our "fake renting alliance" or that we have paid off these ceos to support our claims.
Right? It's all a conspiracy? Hide yo kids, hide yo wives! quote CCP Spitfire
"Hello Im Blue,"
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Alekksander Geinesa
Hateful Munitions
0
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Posted - 2013.04.10 21:02:00 -
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Ammzi wrote:Oh, you don't have to take my word for it, not the renting diplos either. You can just ask those who have decided to take us up on the offer.
Of course now you will claim that we have manufactured false corporations with 20 members and inserted them in our "fake renting alliance" or that we have paid off these ceos to support our claims.
Right? It's all a conspiracy? Hide yo kids, hide yo wives!
No its called "Honey Potting"
You dont spring the scam until its worth your while.....
I would also like to point out this post:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2848247#post2848247
If you guys are renting out space, then how come rental from another "alliance" went so bad you needed reimbursed.... |

Ammzi
Infinite Covenant Tribal Band
1319
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Posted - 2013.04.11 10:11:00 -
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Alekksander Geinesa wrote:
If you guys are renting out space, then how come rental from another "alliance" went so bad you needed reimbursed....
I am not sure I quite follow you here. Would you care to elaborate?
So you do actually believe the corporations who are joining our renter alliance are all "fake" including their 15-20 + membership? At least you make no efforts to deny it. I feel really sorry for you, if there is anything I can do to help relief the suffering please do tell. quote CCP Spitfire
"Hello Im Blue,"
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Dood Toon
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2013.04.11 11:13:00 -
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Ammzi wrote: The renting fee will be setup in a contract to renting alliance's holding corp. I will not be touching any of it - I will simply be a point of initial contact if you're interested. The rest will be handled by the renting diplos.
could you please tell us the char`s that are actually in charge wich we should send the isk to?
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Ammzi
Infinite Covenant Tribal Band
1319
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Posted - 2013.04.11 11:32:00 -
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No isk is given or contracted to chars. It's a corporate contract to the holding corp of the renting alliance. In this case it would be the holding corp of The Tribbles alliance which is "Chief of the Trribles". As described in the alliance description the guy in charge of it all is Crelic and the diplomat Demerlis.
As seen on the bottom of our wiki policies: http://wiki.tribalband.net/index.php/Renting#The_Process
It will then reoccur at a monthly basis and for more details ^ read that or ask away here/with evemail. quote CCP Spitfire
"Hello Im Blue,"
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Alekksander Geinesa
Hateful Munitions
3
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Posted - 2013.04.11 13:18:00 -
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Scam
You will be scammed do not rent from tribal |

Dood Toon
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2013.04.11 13:38:00 -
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just to blow the last doubts away... could you please get crelic or even Demerlis to post here and comfirm your claims? |
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Alekksander Geinesa
Hateful Munitions
8
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Posted - 2013.04.11 13:52:00 -
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Guys,
I used to be in TRIBAL, this is an ALLIANCE wide scam.
They use it to get jump freighters on the cheap, or get kills... they will let you guys run fine for a couple months, and then all of a sudden you will loose docking rights, and your station will have 100 bubbles around it.
If you undock anything they will blow it up... if you leave assets in station you will not be able to get back to them, and they will put alliance rules saying that noone can by the assets for x amount of time, making it so that you the one getting screwed will lower the prices thinking you are just selling it for to much... after your jump freighters and carriers are so cheap, they will break their own rules and snatch them up.
They got 3 jump freighters for 9b once..... thats 3b each....
DO NOT LET THIS HAPPEN TO YOU! |

Phlunk3tt3
Ship Spinners
0
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Posted - 2013.04.11 13:59:00 -
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Xayder wrote:nice scam going right there
why you guys still talking, just get on with it will ya |

Great Love Bringer
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.04.11 14:32:00 -
[23] - Quote
This is obviously a scam .
Try at your own risk. |

Ammzi
Infinite Covenant Tribal Band
1320
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Posted - 2013.04.11 16:20:00 -
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Dood Toon wrote:just to blow the last doubts away... could you please get crelic or even Demerlis to post here and comfirm your claims?
Sure. Give me a couple of hours :)
@ Alekksander Geinesa - you are really, really grasping for straws here. Like holy **** the amount of sperge you just threw on my thread. I could ruin the fun and just report you for the hell of it because I know you're breaking a couple of forum rules here, however I think I will let you run your course to see how actual crazy you can get about this like for example.
Do you have ANY what so ever proof of this? This is the first time TRIBE is actually renting, of course the general membership has been scamming with fake advertisements in the first few month's of tribe's existence, but previously the alliance stated very clearly in our alliance description and still do:
Quote: Alliance Exec: Triget
We start wars.
Head Diplo: Demerlis Dilpo: Wilhelm vonHansford Diplo: Soldarius Diplo: Reklan Diplo: Blackorin
Interested in joining the alliance? Join the 'Join TRIBE' channel HR Director - Aura Ikku Rental Slumlord - Crelic Tribe-Pub Tribal Warning:
If someone tells you it costs money to get in, you are being scammed and you deserve it for not reading this.
All official Tribal Band sites are under the tribalband.net domain. Any other address is probably a scam.
If someone who is not listed above is saying it will cost ISK to set standings or offers to rent you space, you are also being scammed. No we will not return your money if you were scammed unless you are one of our blues, sorry
So tell me what was the name of our alleged "previous" renting alliance? Please, humor me. :D quote CCP Spitfire
"Hello Im Blue,"
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Ammzi
Infinite Covenant Tribal Band
1320
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Posted - 2013.04.11 16:25:00 -
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Hahahah - wow. This gets even better:
http://i.imgur.com/tK3PixC.png quote CCP Spitfire
"Hello Im Blue,"
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Xayder
NED-Clan Goonswarm Federation
239
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Posted - 2013.04.11 16:26:00 -
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But...but ...but even~ IF~ you rent, who's gonna protect the renters? PL ? Test? I don't always post, But when i post I do it with my main |

Xayder
NED-Clan Goonswarm Federation
241
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Posted - 2013.04.11 16:35:00 -
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Phlunk3tt3 wrote:Xayder wrote:nice scam going right there why you guys still talking, just get on with it will ya
I no americano?
ther then that
GSF is renting his systems in Deklein. We have made this program public via TMC http://themittani.com/news/goonswarm-opens-space-rental-program If intrested please speak to one of the persons who are listed
Thank you
Xayder Ned-Clan Goonswarm Federation The ClusterFck Coalition I don't always post, But when i post I do it with my main |

Ammzi
Infinite Covenant Tribal Band
1320
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Posted - 2013.04.11 16:47:00 -
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I fell for that april's fool :smith: quote CCP Spitfire
"Hello Im Blue,"
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Alekksander Geinesa
Hateful Munitions
8
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Posted - 2013.04.11 17:30:00 -
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This is the reason I am fighting.....
Because I WAS SCAMMED by them for the space rental program..... THEY ARE NOT RENTING SPACE THEY ARE SCAMMING PEOPLE...
They will trap your assets and they WILL SCAM YOU
BTW, go ahead Ammzi report me broskie... :)
Also your eve gate link says other wise
https://gate.eveonline.com/Alliance/Tribal%20Band |

Zaitoun Somalian
Empty Wallets Inc. Tribal Band
1
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Posted - 2013.04.11 19:20:00 -
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Alekksander Geinesa wrote:This is the reason I am fighting..... Because I WAS SCAMMED by them for the space rental program..... THEY ARE NOT RENTING SPACE THEY ARE SCAMMING PEOPLE... They will trap your assets and they WILL SCAM YOU BTW, go ahead Ammzi report me broskie... :)
You were not scammed by TRIBE. You were scammed by a player in TRIBE. This is how scams work. Some dude PRETENDS he is in charge of the rental program when he really isn't. The player doesn't do his research and winds up losing isk. You were not scammed by a TRIBE diplo, HR or any toon in our holding corp. TRIBE did not receive the assets you were scammed out of. If we did that, it would be counterproductive.
You were scammed because you were being a dumb dumb with your iskies. And your campaign is just going to blow up in your face.
For folks that do want to rent from us, feel free to contact us in the aforementioned Tribe ingame channel. I defy you to find anyone who has been scammed by the folks authorized to negotiate with renters. Feel free to contact those in our rental alliance and ask their opinion of us and our rental program as well. Be smart, do your research, and you will see that renting from TRIBE is a great option for corps that want to get into null and experience space communism with us.
With that said, if you fall victim to Ammzi's schemes you deserve what you get and we don't want to rent to you anyway. |
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Alekksander Geinesa
Hateful Munitions
8
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Posted - 2013.04.11 19:52:00 -
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Zaitoun Somalian wrote:Alekksander Geinesa wrote:This is the reason I am fighting..... Because I WAS SCAMMED by them for the space rental program..... THEY ARE NOT RENTING SPACE THEY ARE SCAMMING PEOPLE... They will trap your assets and they WILL SCAM YOU BTW, go ahead Ammzi report me broskie... :) You were not scammed by TRIBE. You were scammed by a player in TRIBE. This is how scams work. Some dude PRETENDS he is in charge of the rental program when he really isn't. The player doesn't do his research and winds up losing isk. You were not scammed by a TRIBE diplo, HR or any toon in our holding corp. TRIBE did not receive the assets you were scammed out of. If we did that, it would be counterproductive. You were scammed because you were being a dumb dumb with your iskies. And your campaign is just going to blow up in your face. For folks that do want to rent from us, feel free to contact us in the aforementioned Tribe ingame channel. I defy you to find anyone who has been scammed by the folks authorized to negotiate with renters. Feel free to contact those in our rental alliance and ask their opinion of us and our rental program as well. Be smart, do your research, and you will see that renting from TRIBE is a great option for corps that want to get into null and experience space communism with us. With that said, if you fall victim to Ammzi's schemes you deserve what you get and we don't want to rent to you anyway.
So wait... you let a known scammer, and the person who scammed me represent and post the thread for your alliance rental and then claim I was not scammed by the alliance? The alliance didn't benifit from me?
Yeah guys, go talk to the people in their channel and their diplos... Im sure they will be nice and tell you exactly what you want ot hear and everything will go well until that one day.
I wonder how many more people are going to come in here to TRIBE's defense.....
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Dood Toon
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2013.04.11 19:52:00 -
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Zaitoun Somalian wrote:
With that said, if you fall victim to Ammzi's schemes you deserve what you get and we don't want to rent to you anyway.
 
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Ammzi
Infinite Covenant Tribal Band
1320
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Posted - 2013.04.11 19:57:00 -
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There's a referral fee if you had read our policies. I was just trying to earn a bit of isk on the side while getting our alliance in touch with clients. Anyone from TRIBE who can secure a deal gets a finder's fee  quote CCP Spitfire
"Hello Im Blue,"
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Alekksander Geinesa
Hateful Munitions
8
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Posted - 2013.04.11 20:09:00 -
[34] - Quote
Ammzi wrote:There's a referral fee if you had read our policies. I was just trying to earn a bit of isk on the side while getting our alliance in touch with clients.  Anyone from TRIBE who can secure a deal gets a finder's fee 
So is that a cut off the assets and isk you guys take from people? I mean whats the cut? 10% or so?
Also guys, anyone reading this that might be "on my side"
So far I have gotten 4 eve mails asking me questions or thanking me for protecting them....
Which means at 2.5b for their "base fee" I have saved at least 10b worth of isk from being scammed away! |

Zaitoun Somalian
Empty Wallets Inc. Tribal Band
1
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Posted - 2013.04.11 20:12:00 -
[35] - Quote
Dood Toon wrote:Zaitoun Somalian wrote:
With that said, if you fall victim to Ammzi's schemes you deserve what you get and we don't want to rent to you anyway.
 
With that said, this wasn't a scam folks. We do offer an incentive for folks to find renters. And the isk would've never gone through the referring player. Official channels only. |

Ammzi
Infinite Covenant Tribal Band
1320
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Posted - 2013.04.11 20:12:00 -
[36] - Quote
Why don't you deliver the logs and prove that you got scammed by the "tribe rental program"? Come on :) quote CCP Spitfire
"Hello Im Blue,"
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Alekksander Geinesa
Hateful Munitions
8
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Posted - 2013.04.11 20:14:00 -
[37] - Quote
You know as well as I do Ammzi, that logs for such a thing do not exist. There is no chat log that relates to locking people away from their assets...
Go ahead.... keep playing your game... but I promise, I will find anyone who even thinks about renting space and make sure it is absolutely never with you. |

Ammzi
Infinite Covenant Tribal Band
1320
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Posted - 2013.04.11 20:19:00 -
[38] - Quote
So you can't prove any of your false accusations? Why am I not surprised. quote CCP Spitfire
"Hello Im Blue,"
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Alekksander Geinesa
Hateful Munitions
8
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Posted - 2013.04.11 20:25:00 -
[39] - Quote
Ammzi wrote:So you can't prove any of your false accusations? Why am I not surprised.
Haha, the scammers biggest weapon.. shout for proof to try and save yourself.
:)
Also guys im up to 5 eve mails now and 1 convo! :D |

Ammzi
Infinite Covenant Tribal Band
1320
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Posted - 2013.04.11 20:27:00 -
[40] - Quote
Oh Alekksander, I am so sorry - please leave me alone. I will give you my children, my ships. Your awful posting is making me sick *begins to break down and cry* quote CCP Spitfire
"Hello Im Blue,"
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Alekksander Geinesa
Hateful Munitions
8
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Posted - 2013.04.11 20:47:00 -
[41] - Quote
Ammzi wrote:So you can't prove any of your false accusations? Why am I not surprised.
After digging through my cache guys, I was able to find where I had went to their renter terms page before
http://imgur.com/bE9YJpT
You ever get that feeling, you know the one when someone says something to you that you don't understand why until later?
Ammzi, told me I should have read the fine print.. I understand now... It gives me chills just thinking about it.
It seems that sense then they have taken it down.... Most likely after I started this whole hoop de doo... so they can make me look like a the bad guy...
Also guys 8 eve mails! Keep them coming your support fuels me to make sure that everyone knows that these guys are low lives! |

Ammzi
Infinite Covenant Tribal Band
1320
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Posted - 2013.04.11 20:52:00 -
[42] - Quote
You linked a screenshot of the wiki page I linked in this op? Wow... this is hilarious. quote CCP Spitfire
"Hello Im Blue,"
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Alekksander Geinesa
Hateful Munitions
8
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Posted - 2013.04.11 20:54:00 -
[43] - Quote
Ammzi wrote:You linked a screenshot of the wiki page I linked in this op? Wow... this is hilarious.
Play dumb Ammzi that's kewl. Is that your only defense now?
He also admits that, that is the page he linked... I wonder if no one has informed him of the change... Comical guys..
These dudes are a joke DO NOT RENT FROM THEM! |

Ammzi
Infinite Covenant Tribal Band
1320
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Posted - 2013.04.11 20:58:00 -
[44] - Quote
"Hey guys, I was in tribe's renter alliance before they actually rented - oh and this is how their renting page looked like on the wiki"
quote CCP Spitfire
"Hello Im Blue,"
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Demerlis
Imperial Guardians Tribal Band
0
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Posted - 2013.04.11 21:23:00 -
[45] - Quote
While Ammzi is not officially a Tribal Band diplo, he is still FC of my heart <3
That said, I find it surprising that so many people are contacting this guy instead of, you know, an actual diplo/rental slum lord of TRIBE.
Anyway.
Just posting here to officially say, yes we are renting. Yes I am an Alliance Officer of TRIBE able to finalize rental agreements. Read our Alliance description if you have any doubts. |

Dood Toon
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2013.04.11 21:32:00 -
[46] - Quote
Zaitoun Somalian wrote:Dood Toon wrote:Zaitoun Somalian wrote:
With that said, if you fall victim to Ammzi's schemes you deserve what you get and we don't want to rent to you anyway.
  With that said, this wasn't a scam folks. We do offer an incentive for folks to find renters. And the isk would've never gone through the referring player. Official channels only.
with that said, nuff said
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Johann Landier
The One Track Mind Tribal Band
1
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Posted - 2013.04.11 21:45:00 -
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So Alekksander Geinesa I am a facts sort of guy and I would like to give you a chance to clear up some things.
Your evidence presented so far is
You stated "I used to be in TRIBAL, this is an ALLIANCE wide scam.:
When were you in Tribal Band Alliance. As far as I can see you have been have been in NPC Corperations (Are you just hard to get along with) with the exception of one Player corp in the last year. None of those corps where members of Tribe.
You also provided that "CSI" Quality snazzy screen shot..
Well here is mine
http://tinypic.com/r/f4qv76/6
I took mine and generously didn't crop out the date. So we know when and where mine was taken. All I can surmise from yours is you uploaded it to IMGUR and cropped it today as the POPULAR Search items on both of ours are almost the same.
So since I know how much effort goes into cropping a screen shot why don't you go ahead and show us the full picture which will have the "Last edited" date at the bottom which some how mysteriously was removed from yours.
And then you of course drop that I WAS SCAMMED bombshell. if so and based on your willingness to post repeatedly here you must have some kind of record.
Any of the below items from someone in Tribal Band Leadership Position (I mean if someone claiming to be from the GOONS TITAN GIVEAWAY offered me a free titan for a small one time upfront and completely refundable $50 million isk good faith payment....well I might do some checking up first)
Chat Logs.. Did you not convo anyone about it.. (I mean I looked in the cache for my eve account and OMG....everything I have ever typed in every chat channel is there...
But if you don't have any of that how about any emails to the person who supposedly scammed you?? Surley someone of your caliber would not send isk to another person without at least one email ???
And if those magically disappeared how about some logs from your wallet???
How about a screen shot of your assets in these stations that can no longer be accessed.
So to surmise I don't think you were in tribe, but maybe you have a secret alt you want to tell us about?
The Picture "Proof" you provided is a screen shot you just made today and uploaded today as shown by the matching popular search's but then since you obviously cropped that one why not just post the whole thing.. If your cause is just why are you posting altered/cropped pictures
Sounds like at most you got scammed by someone in the past who may or may not have been in the tribe.. But if you where scammed then you failed to do even the basic research to check anything out. But if you did then feel free to post the proof here........
Oh and just to add a line of thought to this.. Actually running this program is considerably more valuable to the Alliance then just talking a few isk and kicking everyone out. But hey those are just the fact's as I see them don't let that get in your way of thinking. |

Crelic
Infinite Covenant Tribal Band
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Posted - 2013.04.11 22:08:00 -
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My name is Crelic. I'm very confused.
I do approve rental deals, and have already signed some good corps up.
+1, Convo me and/or Demerlis. Not Ammzi. I would say don't shoot the messenger, but you may shoot Ammzi all you like. Just don't send him isk, we may (read: will) laugh at you.
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Ammzi
Infinite Covenant Tribal Band
1321
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Posted - 2013.04.12 12:47:00 -
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Yay crelic :D quote CCP Spitfire
"Hello Im Blue,"
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Ammzi
Infinite Covenant Tribal Band
1322
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Posted - 2013.04.14 01:39:00 -
[50] - Quote
We're still in business here. quote CCP Spitfire
"Hello Im Blue,"
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Demerlis
Imperial Guardians Tribal Band
0
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Posted - 2013.04.15 07:52:00 -
[51] - Quote
bump holla at me boyyy |

KlipticKaptin
Black T00th Sharks
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Posted - 2013.04.15 15:13:00 -
[52] - Quote
My friendly .02 isk mindframe.
So do, I think that this other douche got scammed? Im sure maybe he did, I mean why else would he come bombarding in here and start a big threadnaught. Looking around, I don't see any posts from the forums where someone has "name and shamed" people that were not really scamming. Things do not line up, and I am sure there is more to the story then either party will let us of the public see.
However, even if you are not scamming, What hair brained moronic nitwit (ingame) gave your alliance leadership the idea that it was a good idea to allow Ammzi to post on the forums regarding this. His reputation is horrid, and he is known as a scammer and is black listed on many of the eve black listing sites. I mean the absolute distrust and vile feeling that a lot of eve players get from his name is comical at times. My TS was blowing up with people about this post, and we don't even know either parties but Ammzi... Anyone in eve that has been here for a little bit of time, at least knows someone who has been scammed by him or an alt of his. His word is worthless, and all he does is lie to you. He is a good scammer and rather crafty but that still does not change the fact that he is a well known scammer.
You say ohh I am just trying to earn some ISK as a referral program, but you lost your diplomatics and you simply did not think that someone out here would call you out for being a scamming bastage. Tribal leadership needs to keep Ammzi away from absolutetly anything public that has to do with their Alliance because he gives a shifty feeling to people of the forums.
He is known for forum stalking people when he is called out for scamming, and if you just do a search on his name and look back for several months you can see that there is always some kind of drama and word games around almost all of his posts. He uses the words of a gentleman but they are dripping in the venom of a cobra. He posts a few posts here and there trying to help people out or whatever so he is not always regarded as a bad guy.
However, the fact of the matter is that if Ammzi's name is on anything on these forums, most people will simply just not touch it. Sure you have signed up some good corps and I am sure everything is "all good". At least right now, sense you allegedly got called out.
I for one, would never touch tribal space with a 10 foot pole because of this. However, I am not saying they are scamming. I honestly believe that they are planning to, but only because of Ammzi's name being on this post. I feel like you guys just do not want to ruin the credit of any of your other pilots, so you just use one with bad rep already and figure thats is the best way to go, because most people "do not read the forums".
HOWEVER, if you are not scamming then you guys need to get Ammzi absoutetly away from anything regarding your business dealings to the public. If you really do want to rent space and grow and make ISK like the rest of us. Ammzi needs not be included. He will only give everyone a bad feeling about your business dealings.
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Dood Toon
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2013.04.15 15:40:00 -
[53] - Quote
KlipticKaptin wrote: he is known as a scammer and is black listed on many of the eve black listing sites. !
those exist? just out of curiositiy, would you mind telling me wich those are? (no troll) |

beastkiller69
Shogun's Samurai Unclaimed.
6
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Posted - 2013.04.15 15:49:00 -
[54] - Quote
how do you expect to rent space that you cant even protect?
oh and btw for anyone interested in renting space don't got to tribal band everyone knows that.
The only reason tribal and nulli have space is because of the large amounts of isk they pay the hbc  |

KlipticKaptin
Black T00th Sharks
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Posted - 2013.04.15 15:52:00 -
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Dood Toon wrote:KlipticKaptin wrote: he is known as a scammer and is black listed on many of the eve black listing sites. ! those exist? just out of curiositiy, would you mind telling me wich those are? (no troll)
They mostly come in small community black lists that are ran by corps/alliances/and collations for whatever part of eve they like to specialize in. Google search for something like "Eve online (insert bad guy type here) Black lists" and you will see tons of stuff that has his name on it if you go digging a bit. Again he does a good job trying to bump it away from the public eye or burry it in a massive amount of threads because most people do not read all of the posts for a topic. Start with EveWho, and also do searches to find his alts. There are more websites, but I do not have them handy with me on my work PC.
A valid note is that he is banned from all incursion communities because he tried to steal the channels and scam people and blow up their ships. That is another easy google search to find.
He just has a bad rep, and people don't like him.
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KlipticKaptin
Black T00th Sharks
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Posted - 2013.04.15 15:56:00 -
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beastkiller69 wrote:how do you expect to rent space that you cant even protect?  oh and btw for anyone interested in renting space don't got to tribal band everyone knows that. The only reason tribal and nulli have space is because of the large amounts of isk they pay the hbc 
This is another reason why I would feel like this is a scam. Another well known fact right here. So if they can't protect their renters what do they do? I FEEL like they bring them, until things get chaotic and renters threaten to leave cause they aren't protected, and thats when they try to seize their assets. I mean if you are loosing their business anyway, why not?
I don't know. I have no proof and I would never do dealings with Tribal Band simply BECAUSE of Ammzi regardless of how "honest" their service might be. |

beastkiller69
Shogun's Samurai Unclaimed.
6
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Posted - 2013.04.15 16:00:00 -
[57] - Quote
tribal band is a renter its self maybe a large renter but further more a renter.
I love when renters try to rent the space they are paying us for lol when I get home ill get some screenies for you'll |

KlipticKaptin
Black T00th Sharks
0
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Posted - 2013.04.15 16:15:00 -
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beastkiller69 wrote:tribal band is a renter its self maybe a large renter but further more a renter. I love when renters try to rent the space they are paying us for lol when I get home ill get some screenies for you'll 
You know... in the real world if your land lord catches you "subletting" they make you pay extra ;) |

Ammzi
Infinite Covenant Tribal Band
1325
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Posted - 2013.04.15 19:47:00 -
[59] - Quote
Well aren't you just a fan Kliptic, I am flattered - but I think you got the wrong impression of me.  quote CCP Spitfire
"Hello Im Blue,"
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Demerlis
Imperial Guardians Tribal Band
0
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Posted - 2013.04.16 04:59:00 -
[60] - Quote
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KlipticKaptin
Black T00th Sharks
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Posted - 2013.04.16 09:21:00 -
[61] - Quote
Hoping to get some links in here before this gets locked....
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2563971
http://www.eve-search.com/thread/57241-1/author/Xixili%20Xi
http://evelocal.com/talk/3850661
http://evelocal.com/talk/4421245
http://evelocal.com/talk/4421067
Ohh also, Ammzi I heard you liked search engines so I searched your search engine :)
Google Dawg
Seems you have a lot of fans. |

Khadi Nakrar
Transfer Inc.
1
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Posted - 2013.04.16 10:28:00 -
[62] - Quote
lol overpriced much?
you can rent systems for less than a bil without paying per corp memeber n you get system control. for 3 bil you get a decent system to ***** around in. |

KlipticKaptin
Black T00th Sharks
0
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Posted - 2013.04.18 14:50:00 -
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So who else thinks that everyone should know this info?
I for one do... so ill x up here so that others can see whats up... |

KlipticKaptin
Black T00th Sharks
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Posted - 2013.05.02 20:27:00 -
[64] - Quote
Still a scam guys! |

Johnnie Blue
FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDOOOOOOOOM Silent Requiem
18
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Posted - 2013.07.05 23:17:00 -
[65] - Quote
Hmmmm........
I googled renting nul sec space and the top results had this thread in them.
I knew Ammzi or whatever back when i started in EvE. Is he a scammer? Is renting this much of a risk??
Oh well... back to the grind I guess ;) |
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