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thatguy anoobaccount
Universalis Imperium
Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2013.04.09 22:22:00 -
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Every time I go solo PVP I get killed by something that just kites.
It's quite aggravating.
What would be your tips in countering this?
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Liang Nuren
Heretic Army
Atrocitas
3296
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Posted - 2013.04.09 22:42:00 -
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What are you normally flying?
-Liang
Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?)
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Jon Joringer
Zero-K
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Posted - 2013.04.09 22:42:00 -
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(a) learn to slingshot well and you might just catch a lot of kiters (I do, anyway).
(b) use a weapon system that can deal damage at kiting ranges if possible: long range systems or long range ammunition for the short range systems.
(c) if you can't beat them, join them: kite. |
Naomi Knight
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
253
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Posted - 2013.04.09 22:51:00 -
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Jon Joringer wrote:(a) learn to slingshot well and you might just catch a lot of kiters (I do, anyway).
(b) use a weapon system that can deal damage at kiting ranges if possible: long range systems or long range ammunition for the short range systems.
(c) if you can't beat them, join them: kite.
or just quit soloing as it is died out already :P
go fly with Liang he will show you how to properly gank someone |
Fronkfurter McSheebleton
The Graduates
RAZOR Alliance
190
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Posted - 2013.04.09 22:53:00 -
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Kiting ships often have either low dps or low tank, and thus have trouble dealing with, respectively, strong tanks and webby/scrammy things.
thhief ghabmoef |
Incindir Mauser
Adhocracy Incorporated
Adhocracy
165
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Posted - 2013.04.09 22:58:00 -
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thatguy anoobaccount wrote:Every time I go solo PVP I get killed by something that just kites.
It's quite aggravating.
What would be your tips in countering this?
Web Loki? |
Angelique Duchemin
Serenity Prime
Kraken.
413
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Posted - 2013.04.09 23:11:00 -
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Eve has no solo pvp. if you specialize to catch kiters then you will be back here again in a few days. Asking how to deal with something else you opened yourself up to.
We miss you Saede. |
Taoist Dragon
Bastion of Mad Behaviour
Caldari State Capturing
361
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Posted - 2013.04.10 00:12:00 -
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I love how many people insist that solo pvp is dead or dieing yet I know loads of solo'ers and corp focusing on that style of gameplay.
To the OP
It basically comes down to how you setup the fight. If you are in a scram range brawler you need to be able to get them to land on top of you or you land on top of them.
Agony (and a lot of other people) call this 'fishing' . You can also use things like FW plex's as well.
for eg. If you are chasing a known kite ship and they are in a plex then don't go in as they will probably be setup at range and will nab you as soon as you appear. But if you are in a plex sitting on the warpin then you'll stand a decent chanc of cacthing them and murdering them.
Bascially the kiter is the counter to the brawler and vice versa but only if you engage on your terms this is the key to good solo pvp rather than ship types/fits.
Another method os using long range weapons with a scram kiter setup like a rail incursus/arty rifter etc. If you get caught by a low tank kiter then you can at least swap ammo and hit them at range. you won't be able to keep a hold of them but if they get cocky or not paying attention then you may well kill them.
That is the Way, the Tao.
Balance is everything. |
Tsukino Stareine
EVE University
Ivy League
50
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Posted - 2013.04.10 01:05:00 -
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fly in the other direction. If he chases, immediately burn towards him and hope he has too much momentum to change direction and then web+scram him. |
Taoist Dragon
Bastion of Mad Behaviour
Caldari State Capturing
363
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Posted - 2013.04.10 01:52:00 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:fly in the other direction. If he chases, immediately burn towards him and hope he has too much momentum to change direction and then web+scram him.
Spoken like a true E-uni student!
Actually catching a mwd'ing frig in an AB frig pretty much relies on the kiter making a big mistake and more often than not just gets yoou killed but at least you can try to catch them and hope.
That is the Way, the Tao.
Balance is everything. |
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
226
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Posted - 2013.04.10 02:46:00 -
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Taoist Dragon wrote:I love how many people insist that solo pvp is dead or dieing yet I know loads of solo'ers and corp focusing on that style of gameplay.
but solo is dead, I have to justify the blobbing somehow! love the blob, solo is dead, I went pvping solo once and got blobbed, blobbedity blob *oh god I'm dead inside* blobey blob blob!
personally I love small gang, but have flown solo a bit. I should probably go join RvB for a bit, as I haven't really been in game since before all the teiricide. |
sabre906
Old Spice Syndicate
Sailors of the Sacred Spice
944
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Posted - 2013.04.10 04:04:00 -
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Jon Joringer wrote:(a) learn to slingshot well and you might just catch a lot of kiters (I do, anyway).
(b) use a weapon system that can deal damage at kiting ranges if possible: long range systems or long range ammunition for the short range systems.
(c) if you can't beat them, join them: kite.
Only (c) is valid.
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Dan Carter Murray
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Posted - 2013.04.10 04:24:00 -
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damps, TDs, ECM, missiles
other than that: don't engage known kiting ships if you are a slow brawler unless it's on your terms
IF YOU DON'T FLY AMARR THEN YOU DON'T LIKE A CHALLENGE SO GET ******
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sabre906
Old Spice Syndicate
Sailors of the Sacred Spice
944
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Posted - 2013.04.10 04:26:00 -
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Dan Carter Murray wrote:damps, TDs, ECM, missiles
other than that: don't engage known kiting ships if you are a slow brawler.
The most you can do is having them warp off...
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Alara IonStorm
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Posted - 2013.04.10 04:43:00 -
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Taoist Dragon wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:fly in the other direction. If he chases, immediately burn towards him and hope he has too much momentum to change direction and then web+scram him. Spoken like a true E-uni student! Actually catching a mwd'ing frig in an AB frig pretty much relies on the kiter making a big mistake and more often than not just gets yoou killed but at least you can try to catch them and hope.
Like 90% sure she is talking about using a MWD fit brawler Frig.
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Mukun
The Shadow Plague
Fidelas Constans
1
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Posted - 2013.04.10 04:52:00 -
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a lot of sensor dampers |
Taoist Dragon
Bastion of Mad Behaviour
Caldari State Capturing
364
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Posted - 2013.04.10 06:00:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Taoist Dragon wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:fly in the other direction. If he chases, immediately burn towards him and hope he has too much momentum to change direction and then web+scram him. Spoken like a true E-uni student! Actually catching a mwd'ing frig in an AB frig pretty much relies on the kiter making a big mistake and more often than not just gets yoou killed but at least you can try to catch them and hope. Like 90% sure she is talking about using a MWD fit brawler Frig.
I also think she was talking about a mwd brawler as well but I can't pass up the opportunity to stick it an e-uni member 
But that is also why I mentioned an AB in my reply.
Other issue is that with a mwd brawler you are pretty much dead to an AB brawler if you can't effectively hit for the entire scram range.
That is the Way, the Tao.
Balance is everything. |
Tsukino Stareine
EVE University
Ivy League
56
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Posted - 2013.04.10 13:27:00 -
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Taoist Dragon wrote:Alara IonStorm wrote:Taoist Dragon wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:fly in the other direction. If he chases, immediately burn towards him and hope he has too much momentum to change direction and then web+scram him. Spoken like a true E-uni student! Actually catching a mwd'ing frig in an AB frig pretty much relies on the kiter making a big mistake and more often than not just gets yoou killed but at least you can try to catch them and hope. Like 90% sure she is talking about using a MWD fit brawler Frig. I also think she was talking about a mwd brawler as well but I can't pass up the opportunity to stick it an e-uni member But that is also why I mentioned an AB in my reply. Other issue is that with a mwd brawler you are pretty much dead to an AB brawler if you can't effectively hit for the entire scram range.
I don't get it, how do you kite in a brawling anything? |
Alien Youth
Exiter Corp
Casoff
12
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Posted - 2013.04.10 13:34:00 -
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Get a vexor and shild fit it.
All frigs and tier 3 BC's are free game.
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Dato Koppla
Rage of Inferno
Malefic Motives
137
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Posted - 2013.04.10 15:08:00 -
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Taoist Dragon wrote:Alara IonStorm wrote:Taoist Dragon wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:fly in the other direction. If he chases, immediately burn towards him and hope he has too much momentum to change direction and then web+scram him. Spoken like a true E-uni student! Actually catching a mwd'ing frig in an AB frig pretty much relies on the kiter making a big mistake and more often than not just gets yoou killed but at least you can try to catch them and hope. Like 90% sure she is talking about using a MWD fit brawler Frig. I also think she was talking about a mwd brawler as well but I can't pass up the opportunity to stick it an e-uni member But that is also why I mentioned an AB in my reply. Other issue is that with a mwd brawler you are pretty much dead to an AB brawler if you can't effectively hit for the entire scram range.
Quite a few good frig brawlers have excellent projection in scram range and run mwd/scram/web, Harpy is my personal favourite. There's also rail fit ab frigs like the Incursus which can beat brawlers by kiting in scram range and still hit to past 24km and since most kiters are very frail you'll usually drive them off at least. Another option is droneboats like Tristan/Ishkur as they can set bonused drones on kiting frigs far away but they're less effective as they can be killed and if you lose all your drones you'll probably die. |
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Hakaimono
Stillwater Corporation
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Posted - 2013.04.10 15:21:00 -
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Fly a Rapier and make frigs cry. |
Meditril
T.R.I.A.D
251
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Posted - 2013.04.10 15:34:00 -
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thatguy anoobaccount wrote:Every time I go solo PVP I get killed by something that just kites.
It's quite aggravating.
What would be your tips in countering this?
If you are not at a jump gate you should always avoid being caught by a kiting ship (especially Condors, Hookbills, and other missile spamming stuff as well as Daredavils and Dramiel) by just warping away once he lands. In faction warefare you can warp to a plex and try to make him following you so that he lands within your scram range, which is a good approach to kill them if you get the point + scram in time.
Otherwise the only way is to do the "sling shot" to get them into scram range. Which only works well if you are agile and using an MWD. If you want to raise your success chances then you should invest into Snakes and an off grid boost (yes I hate it too!).
If you want to train sling shots I propose that you make the kiter follow you to a gate. Near a gate you can practice to get a scram on the enemy. Don't use any other weapons until you have him scrammed, this will give you the option to just jump though the gate to escape in case you find out that he is too fast for you to catch him. Stay therefore always close to the gate, d |
Fredfredbug4
Eve Defence Force
Tribal Band
661
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Posted - 2013.04.10 20:50:00 -
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Could drone boats be useful for this? I'd imagine frigates would still be able to kite you, but standard cruisers and larger wouldn't be able to out run your drones.
You could use web and/or warp scram drones to slow down the person kiting and close to range to melt them with blasters or pulses.
Another thing you could try is setting up a sniper fit. Kiting only works if you actually follow them. As they burn away you can hammer at them. You'll need to fake that you will follow them or else they will catch on and be under your optimal where you die, so bring something that can tank effectively as you will actually need to follow them for a little bit. If they get careless you'll become the one kiting :)
I accidentally my assets, is this bad?-á |
Meditril
T.R.I.A.D
252
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Posted - 2013.04.11 09:01:00 -
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Fredfredbug4 wrote:Could drone boats be useful for this? I'd imagine frigates would still be able to kite you, but standard cruisers and larger wouldn't be able to out run your drones.
You could use web and/or warp scram drones to slow down the person kiting and close to range to melt them with blasters or pulses.
Another thing you could try is setting up a sniper fit. Kiting only works if you actually follow them. As they burn away you can hammer at them. You'll need to fake that you will follow them or else they will catch on and be under your optimal where you die, so bring something that can tank effectively as you will actually need to follow them for a little bit. If they get careless you'll become the one kiting :)
To my experience drones are rather useless once the kiting ship hits 4500 m/s or more while orbitting you. They usually have huge problems keeping up with the target. Maybe this works better for speed bonused drones like you have on some Destroyers. |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction
Whores in space
113
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Posted - 2013.04.11 10:41:00 -
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Use smack tackling. You smack in local at ana amazing speed so that you start to influence their behavior and make them get closer to you just ot make you shut up :P |
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