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Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
1495
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Posted - 2013.04.11 23:27:00 -
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handige harrie wrote:Doc Fury wrote:handige harrie wrote: were does the somethingstate you can't suicide gank with trial accounts? as long as you don't recycle them, I don't see how you break any rules.
CCP wrote: Furthermore, you can only have one trial account running on the same computer at any given time.
So you are allowed to gank with trial accounts. you just aren't allowed to run multiple trial accounts at the same time. Which is kinda a big difference, although it leads to the same outcome.
You cannot use a disposable account to circumvent the negative sec loss status of your main account. Out of Pod is getting In the Pod - Join in game channel IG OOPE |

xarjin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
14
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Posted - 2013.04.11 23:29:00 -
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Olf Barrenbur wrote:I can't wait until someone starts suicide ganking freighters with IS Boxer (With subbed accounts of course). Oh, the tears.
There's one veteran player in eve who's multiboxer that i learned of recently that flies 20 tempests, owns two titans and three or four supercarriers. He's no less of a target than someone with one account.
The beauty of eve's game mechanics and pvp balance dont give any one person with 20 accounts more of an outright advantage over 20 players with one account.
There's likely a few Cap ship builders that multibox jump freighters to transport minerals to nullsec. If someone could manage to gank a frieghter as a multiboxer they don't get any more isk returned from pend insurance than 5 players ganking a freighter.
Inflicting and receiving tears are part of the fun of it  |

0Lona 0ltor
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
37
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Posted - 2013.04.12 09:07:00 -
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Yeah so it sounds like going through a proxy would be a ban so uhm I'm chickening out of this one. Maybe I will do a 5 man T1 tornado squad with sub'd accounts and only sub the extra accounts when I fancy doing high sec ganking. Just have an intesive 1 month sucide gank month every so often?
If anyone is intrested in joing me send me an eve mail and we can set up a small squad. |

Roime
Shiva Furnace
2515
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Posted - 2013.04.12 11:33:00 -
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Ban ISBotters
-á- All I really wanted was to build a castle among the stars - |

culo duro
Next Level Alcoholics
69
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Posted - 2013.04.12 11:36:00 -
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Roime wrote:Ban ISBotters
Please do learn what a "Bot" is before you use the term.
Also you could do the same thing, i really don't see the issue here. |

Herr Esiq
Dirt Nap Squad
23
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Posted - 2013.04.12 11:49:00 -
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Hannah Flex wrote:congrats on soloing an MMO Quite ironic that so many people like this post, as people use alts for capitals/missions/offgrid boosting/trading toon and much more. Yet ISBoxer gets frowned upon when people use it.
I do agree with your post and so far i've been flying alt-less. Its actually harder and takes more time to do even some 'trivial' tasks like having a gate scouted. I assume you do the same. |

Sentamon
811
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Posted - 2013.04.12 12:12:00 -
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culo duro wrote:Roime wrote:Ban ISBotters
Please do learn what a "Bot" is before you use the term. Also you could do the same thing, i really don't see the issue here.
I think he wants you to clean up his drool. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
13582
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Posted - 2013.04.12 12:17:00 -
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Roime wrote:Ban ISBotters They already do.
Vote Malcanis for CSM8. |

culo duro
Next Level Alcoholics
69
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Posted - 2013.04.12 12:25:00 -
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So why is it people hate ISBoxer?
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Roime
Shiva Furnace
2515
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Posted - 2013.04.12 12:42:00 -
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culo duro wrote:Roime wrote:Ban ISBotters
Please do learn what a "Bot" is before you use the term. Also you could do the same thing, i really don't see the issue here.
In this context, ie. facilitating multiboxing on a scale which is not possible via normal gameplay- A program that sends control messages to a game client.
Sure, run as many clients as you like, just don't expect everyone to accept that you use a program to control the clients.
Ban ISBotters
-á- All I really wanted was to build a castle among the stars - |

Nifter Telfo
Pen Cap Technologies
1
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Posted - 2013.04.12 12:42:00 -
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Thanks for uploading this! I was actually planning on doing the same thing this summer, but sadly got bored of EVE before I subbed all the extra accounts.
I ran the number on this if people are curious. You need about 2 months on each new account to get them ready for incursions. You could cut it down to 1 month if you're only trainning battleship pilots, but it's not advisable. Skills are just too low across the board in that case. You'll need a minimum of 2 months for the logistics pilots and off grid booster.
As for costs. Use buddy account promotions. That gives each account 4 months + 21 days for the price of $39 USD each (if you use the bonus PLEX as game time). Which comes down to ~$8.5 per month, which is a pretty good deal. Assuming you have 2 accounts already. 10 extra accounts nets you ~$400. Unless you have a lot of ISK, you will probably have to spend the bonus plexes on ISK in order to afford the battleships for each account though.
I have not tested how many clients you could run on one PC. I know 6 shouldn't be too big of a problem. I have a couple of PCs for working from home, so that's not an issue for me, but if it turns out that your PC is not powerful enough for 12 clients, another one will probably net you about $600.
As for internet bandwidth. Making a quick check on a single client showed really tiny upload amounts (~10 KBps), so your internet connection shouldn't be an issue even with ****** 512 KBps upload. Download is always higher and will definitely suffice unless you're sitting on dial up.
Once everyone's trained up, you should be able to coast with a plex for each in about 10-15 hours time. Assuming an average of 2 hours of gaming per day. You should be able to pay for all accounts in game in a week, and the next 3 weeks should be free. At which point you can start saving up for 22 accounts to run the Assault incursions.
Anything below 12 accounts is not worth it in terms of the hourly wage you would get at work, and you're better off just working an extra hour and buying plex to sell in game. 50 mill ISK per hour per accounts * 12 = ~1 plex per hour.
EDIT: Oh, forgot to mention that you should either have a stockpile of emergency ISK, or be prepared to buy and sell about $60 worth of plexes in case you lose connection. Since all of your accounts are going through the same connection. All of them will be disconnected at once.  |

Jess Maine
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
46
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Posted - 2013.04.12 12:45:00 -
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culo duro wrote:So why is it people hate ISBoxer?
It almost kills what an MMO is supposed to be about, the social aspect of finding pilots making friends and enemies along the way and completing or overcoming challenges with other pilots. Theres reasons why MMO's structure some of their content around player numbers or requiring a synergy ot different roles to complete an objective. Doing all of these by yourself means your not meeting anyone in the EVE Universe and your not having any impact on content generation. |

Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
1522
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Posted - 2013.04.12 14:38:00 -
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Jess Maine wrote:culo duro wrote:So why is it people hate ISBoxer?
It almost kills what an MMO is supposed to be about, the social aspect of finding pilots making friends and enemies along the way and completing or overcoming challenges with other pilots. Theres reasons why MMO's structure some of their content around player numbers or requiring a synergy ot different roles to complete an objective. Doing all of these by yourself means your not meeting anyone in the EVE Universe and your not having any impact on content generation.
That sounds like a load of bull. MMO stands for massive multiplayer online, not massive multiplayer online who all have to hug and be friends. Out of Pod is getting In the Pod - Join in game channel IG OOPE |

l0rd carlos
Friends Of Harassment
388
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Posted - 2013.04.12 15:12:00 -
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culo duro wrote:So why is it people hate ISBoxer?
Instead of doing X klicks for X accounts, you only need to do 1 klick for X account. That means you save X -1 clicks.
The bot creates something out of no human player interaction. The "normal" user creates something out of one human player interaction. The IS Boxer creates X-1 out of one human player interaction.
They got the same feeling to the extra IS Boxer Chars as to a bot. They feel betrayed.
Do you get what i am trying to say? It's hard to write down what i got in mind. German blog about smallscale lowsec pvp: http://friendsofharassment.wordpress.com |

xarjin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
15
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Posted - 2013.04.12 16:04:00 -
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Jess Maine wrote:culo duro wrote:So why is it people hate ISBoxer?
It almost kills what an MMO is supposed to be about, the social aspect of finding pilots making friends and enemies along the way and completing or overcoming challenges with other pilots. Theres reasons why MMO's structure some of their content around player numbers or requiring a synergy ot different roles to complete an objective. Doing all of these by yourself means your not meeting anyone in the EVE Universe and your not having any impact on content generation.
Some folks would just rather enjoy a technical challenge than have to deal with an often volatile and unreliable social challenge. |

culo duro
Next Level Alcoholics
69
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Posted - 2013.04.12 16:44:00 -
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l0rd carlos wrote:culo duro wrote:So why is it people hate ISBoxer?
Instead of doing X klicks for X accounts, you only need to do 1 klick for X account. That means you save X -1 clicks. The bot creates something out of no human player interaction. The "normal" user creates something out of one human player interaction. The IS Boxer creates X-1 out of one human player interaction. They got the same feeling to the extra IS Boxer Chars as to a bot. They feel betrayed. Do you get what i am trying to say? It's hard to write down what i got in mind.
Not the way i use it. I manually control all of my logi for pvp, and manually control my dps aswell.
I just can't see a more optimal way of doing it even with such a program, but it helps having a video feed in a small size over 3 monitors over having x amount of monitors to support everything. |

Randi Fleetstalker
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2013.04.12 17:08:00 -
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l0rd carlos wrote:culo duro wrote:So why is it people hate ISBoxer?
Instead of doing X klicks for X accounts, you only need to do 1 klick for X account. That means you save X -1 clicks. The bot creates something out of no human player interaction. The "normal" user creates something out of one human player interaction. The IS Boxer creates X-1 out of one human player interaction. They got the same feeling to the extra IS Boxer Chars as to a bot. They feel betrayed. Do you get what i am trying to say? It's hard to write down what i got in mind. I assure you, multiboxers get what you're saying about being able to control more than one character with the same button.
Some people feel cheated when they see that someone is able to accomplish more than them, for any reason. But just because you feel this way doesn't actually turn it into a bot and I think you and others who feel this way would probably do better if you can express yourselves without comparing multiboxing to botting, because it's simply not the same thing.
For example...
The biggest thing you might get out of botting is time to spend doing something else. You might argue "no, the biggest thing you get out of botting is a billion ISK" or so on, but that's not the truth, you could get the same billion ISK without the bot, you just have to actually be at the keys playing the game. With a bot, you let your bot do it just so you can get a billion ISK without spending that time in the game yourself. I spent a lot of time in the 90s botting MUDs and developing and selling bots for them, and bots were almost exclusively used to play catch-up in order to play with friends or adventure to the next cool area.
A multiboxer on the other hand is not interested in removing himself from the game... Just the opposite: he's trying to be a bigger part of the game. You can argue that the multiboxer is injecting additional time into the game as compared to a player with 1 account, and a botter is also likely injecting additional time into the game as compared to a typical player, but that's about where the direct comparison ends.
So I'm not saying that it's wrong for a player to somehow feel betrayed by this, that's an okay feeling to have. It's just not the same as botting. ;) |

Xen Solarus
Inner 5phere
364
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Posted - 2013.04.12 17:35:00 -
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Awesome, nicely done, keep it up!
To the haters, CCP has made it clear that this is fine. They love all that extra cash from multiple accounts! 
No human at the computer = bad. Human at the computer = good. Get it through your head already. Post with your main, like a BOSS! |

Tarsas Phage
Freight Club
167
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Posted - 2013.04.12 18:02:00 -
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Jess Maine wrote: It almost kills what an MMO is supposed to be about, the social aspect of finding pilots making friends and enemies along the way and completing or overcoming challenges with other pilots.
Fair point, but with a ISboxer, there's still a human to interact with, whereas a traditional "real" bot isn't such a thing.
I'd say that someone with n accounts under ISboxer is more liable to create in-game situations and experiences (as in, content experiences) which otherwise wouldn't have occurred. |

Rosewalker
Khumaak Flying Circus
14
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Posted - 2013.04.12 22:48:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Roime wrote:Ban ISBotters They already do.
This is true. All botters who use bots based on Inner Space, the engine that runs ISBoxer, receive bans. In fact, those caught using these Inner Space-powered bots receive permanent bans for the first offense due to the use of code injection, which is considered a breach of the Terms of Service (point 21). The Nosy Gamer - Rudeness is the weak man's imitation of strength - Eric Hoffer |

Arronicus
Shadows of Vorlon The Marmite Collective
516
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Posted - 2013.04.12 23:07:00 -
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Can't get enough of the butthurt "Ban people using multi accounts. Ban ISboxer, Ban anyone who makes more money than me" Posts in this thread. Already gone through a 2L of Jergins and 3 packs of tissues. |

l0rd carlos
Friends Of Harassment
389
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Posted - 2013.04.12 23:13:00 -
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Randi Fleetstalker wrote: For example...
The biggest thing you might get out of botting is time to spend doing something else. You might argue "no, the biggest thing you get out of botting is a billion ISK" or so on, but that's not the truth, you could get the same billion ISK without the bot, you just have to actually be at the keys playing the game. With a bot, you let your bot do it just so you can get a billion ISK without spending that time in the game yourself. I spent a lot of time in the 90s botting MUDs and developing and selling bots for them, and bots were almost exclusively used to play catch-up in order to play with friends or adventure to the next cool area.
No mate, the biggest thing you get out of a bot is to spend less time doing something to get Y amount of ISK.
To get Y you need to do Z amount of ingame commands. Isboxer: do Z / X amound of imgame commands. (x == amount of chars manage by IS boxer) German blog about smallscale lowsec pvp: http://friendsofharassment.wordpress.com |

Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
1556
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Posted - 2013.04.12 23:19:00 -
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l0rd carlos wrote:Randi Fleetstalker wrote: For example...
The biggest thing you might get out of botting is time to spend doing something else. You might argue "no, the biggest thing you get out of botting is a billion ISK" or so on, but that's not the truth, you could get the same billion ISK without the bot, you just have to actually be at the keys playing the game. With a bot, you let your bot do it just so you can get a billion ISK without spending that time in the game yourself. I spent a lot of time in the 90s botting MUDs and developing and selling bots for them, and bots were almost exclusively used to play catch-up in order to play with friends or adventure to the next cool area.
No mate, the biggest thing you get out of a bot is to spend less time doing something to get Y amount of ISK. To get Y you need to do Z amount of ingame commands. Isboxer: do Z / X amound of imgame commands. (x == amount of chars manage by IS boxer)
I was told there'd be no math.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |

Jess Maine
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
47
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Posted - 2013.04.13 00:18:00 -
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xarjin wrote:Jess Maine wrote:culo duro wrote:So why is it people hate ISBoxer?
It almost kills what an MMO is supposed to be about, the social aspect of finding pilots making friends and enemies along the way and completing or overcoming challenges with other pilots. Theres reasons why MMO's structure some of their content around player numbers or requiring a synergy ot different roles to complete an objective. Doing all of these by yourself means your not meeting anyone in the EVE Universe and your not having any impact on content generation. Some folks would just rather enjoy a technical challenge than have to deal with an often volatile and unreliable social challenge.
Thats just one of the challenges that shouldn't easily overcome by just having more cash to pay for subs. Your going to meet volatile and unsocialable pilots in EVE, thats just how personalities go. If you simply didn't want the convinience of being anti-social and having no impact on the game that you should do missions, since thats what they were designed for - ultimate solitude while making a very small living.
It's the price you pay for not making waves in the EVE universe because most multboxers do what they do for self gain and thus contribute absoloutely nothing to the sandbox. |

Sentamon
812
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Posted - 2013.04.13 00:22:00 -
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Jess Maine wrote: It's the price you pay for not making waves in the EVE universe because most multboxers do what they do for self gain and thus contribute absoloutely nothing to the sandbox.
So like your alliance? ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |

Captain Tardbar
NEWB ALERT
281
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Posted - 2013.04.13 02:07:00 -
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0Lona 0ltor wrote:I make my ISK using market ''tools'' so I'd not be intrested in using ISO box to grind ISK or PVE.
I am considering using it for the purpose of controlling 20 or so noob acounts runing through a proxy so I can use noob accounts to sucide gank in high sec. That way with 10 to 20 accounts on 14 day trials I should be able to take down a freighter on my own and not have to worry about sec status? Has any one had any experince using this and is it EULA legal?
Though not usally bannable, I've heard that CCP frowns heavily on creating throwaway characters to gank.
Though I could not point to a single instance where somoene has been banned for it.
Actually, from my understanding, you can only have one trial account per IP running at once. "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. |

Captain Tardbar
NEWB ALERT
281
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Posted - 2013.04.13 02:09:00 -
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Arronicus wrote:Already gone through a 2L of Jergins and 3 packs of tissues.
Real men use spit and a dirty sock.
"Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. |

Cazador 64
Nightmare Logistics
141
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Posted - 2013.04.13 02:12:00 -
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Good work bro I am jelly. Wish I could do this. |

Stonecrusher Mortlock
University of Caille Gallente Federation
116
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Posted - 2013.04.13 05:23:00 -
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im kinda said, you need to get this stream lined so the goon's can adopt it anduse all that tech isk to use plex to fund entier fleets ran by 5 guys.
1 FC with the DPS ships, 4 on logi.
o the tears just think you wont even need other people any more. just your ceo and his 5 best friends. |

Dread SinJin
Dark Energy.
0
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Posted - 2013.04.13 05:26:00 -
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This is posted by a allince who has been accused and found guilty of RMT |
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