So, CCP, is THIS in line with your design philosophy?

Clearly, we should all strive for the ultimate in risk-free isk-making, running these wonderful 'solo pve' sites CCP made for us in hi-sec.


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risk free?

.....only because you would rather whine about him on the forums rather than sac up, undock and go shoot him.

I make my ISK using market ''tools'' so I'd not be intrested in using ISO box to grind ISK or PVE.

I am considering using it for the purpose of controlling 20 or so noob acounts runing through a proxy so I can use noob accounts to sucide gank in high sec. That way with 10 to 20 accounts on 14 day trials I should be able to take down a freighter on my own and not have to worry about sec status? Has any one had any experince using this and is it EULA legal?

Threads promoting cheating should be banned.

How well do they contest?

I'm gonna give the ISO boxer proxy catalyst solo suicide 20 man gank squad a this weekend. I have 20 trial accounts banging out the skills now. Lag won't be an issue as long as all 20 accounts react within 5 to 10 seconds. If anyone else wants to try along side me send me an in game message. 40 Catalysts ganks with no subscription fee's split amongst 2 players wreaks of profit.

I bet we can get ISO boxer on a ban list very soon after doing this

More likely that you'll get yourself banned for using disposable trial accounts to suicide gank before you get Isboxer banned. Trial gankers are against the rules.

I'm gonna give the ISO boxer proxy catalyst solo suicide 20 man gank squad a this weekend. I have 20 trial accounts banging out the skills now. Lag won't be an issue as long as all 20 accounts react within 5 to 10 seconds. If anyone else wants to try along side me send me an in game message. 40 Catalysts ganks with no subscription fee's split amongst 2 players wreaks of profit.

I bet we can get ISO boxer on a ban list very soon after doing this

were does the somethingstate you can't suicide gank with trial accounts? as long as you don't recycle them, I don't see how you break any rules.

Threads promoting cheating should be banned.

Edited by: GM Lelouch on 18/02/2013 08:29:22
Addendum by GM Lelouch:
This post was originally written almost three years ago and as software/hardware evolves, so must our stance on what goes within our game. It has become increasingly difficult for us to track the capabilities of various pieces of software over the years as their number, as well as the features they offer, increase greatly in number.

In other words, it is unfortunately impractical for us to evaluate whether specific pieces of software can be used without breaking EVE's EULA/ToS. This post should not be taken as endorsement for utilizing specific pieces of software/hardware with EVE, but as a guideline to what is acceptable.

Our general stance towards the concept of multiboxing has not changed but we cannot guarantee that the EULA is being upheld should you use any of the software/hardware mentioned by name in this post, nor will we at EVE customer support be able to officially endorse or sanction specific third party multiboxing programs.

Players wishing to multibox are responsible for familiarizing themselves with our EULA and Terms of Service, the following clauses in particular are of much relevance to this topic:

EULA:
6. CONDUCT
A. Specifically Restricted Conduct
2. You may not use your own or third-party software to modify any content appearing within the Game environment or change how the Game is played.
3. You may not use your own or any third-party software, macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game.

ToS:
21. You will not attempt to decipher, hack into or interfere with any transmissions to or from the EVE Online servers, nor will you try to create or use any third party add-ons, extras or tools for the game.

The old, out of date, post can be seen below as it originally appeared:

"Hello there,

To make a long story short, automation of gameplay is not permitted; players must be manually issuing the commands to control their character(s) at all times.

Our stance on programs such as Synergy and hardware/software combination such as the G15 keyboard is that they can be legitimately used as long as gameplay isn't automated. Synergy allows you to move your mouse cursor to multiple different monitors which are hooked up to different computers and we do not have any qualms with players using the program for this purpose. If Synergy was used in some way to control your accounts for you without a need for you to be at your keyboard, then that would not be allowed, but I am not aware of such a functionality with this program. If Synergy is used in conjunction with some other program to automate gameplay, it would not be permitted. G15 "macros" which allow you to group different commands into one keypress are allowed. For example, setting your G1 key to press F1, F2, F3 and so on for you with one key press is allowed (although this specific command is not as useful as it was before now that we have weapon grouping).

An exceedingly complex G15 macro which would effectively automate gameplay, such as mining, without a need for the player to be present at his keyboard would be against the EULA, regardless of whether the player utilizing said macro is sitting at his keyboard at the time!

Lastly, multiboxing is allowed, and programs designed for multiboxing in mind which allow a player to manually issue the same command to multiple game clients at the same time are allowed. In the same vein as what has been stated above, the player must be manually sending the commands; if a program is automating those commands for you, then it would be considered a breach of our EULA.

I hope this clears up this matter."

So you are allowed to gank with trial accounts. you just aren't allowed to run multiple trial accounts at the same time.

Which is kinda a big difference, although it leads to the same outcome.

I can't wait until someone starts suicide ganking freighters with IS Boxer (With subbed accounts of course). Oh, the tears.

Ban ISBotters

congrats on soloing an MMO

Please do learn what a "Bot" is before you use the term.

Also you could do the same thing, i really don't see the issue here.

Ban ISBotters

Please do learn what a "Bot" is before you use the term.

Also you could do the same thing, i really don't see the issue here.

So why is it people hate ISBoxer?

It almost kills what an MMO is supposed to be about, the social aspect of finding pilots making friends and enemies along the way and completing or overcoming challenges with other pilots. Theres reasons why MMO's structure some of their content around player numbers or requiring a synergy ot different roles to complete an objective. Doing all of these by yourself means your not meeting anyone in the EVE Universe and your not having any impact on content generation.

So why is it people hate ISBoxer?

It almost kills what an MMO is supposed to be about, the social aspect of finding pilots making friends and enemies along the way and completing or overcoming challenges with other pilots. Theres reasons why MMO's structure some of their content around player numbers or requiring a synergy ot different roles to complete an objective. Doing all of these by yourself means your not meeting anyone in the EVE Universe and your not having any impact on content generation.

Instead of doing X klicks for X accounts, you only need to do 1 klick for X account. That means you save X -1 clicks.

The bot creates something out of no human player interaction.
The "normal" user creates something out of one human player interaction.
The IS Boxer creates X-1 out of one human player interaction.

They got the same feeling to the extra IS Boxer Chars as to a bot. They feel betrayed.

Do you get what i am trying to say? It's hard to write down what i got in mind.

Instead of doing X klicks for X accounts, you only need to do 1 klick for X account. That means you save X -1 clicks.

The bot creates something out of no human player interaction.
The "normal" user creates something out of one human player interaction.
The IS Boxer creates X-1 out of one human player interaction.

They got the same feeling to the extra IS Boxer Chars as to a bot. They feel betrayed.

Do you get what i am trying to say? It's hard to write down what i got in mind.

It almost kills what an MMO is supposed to be about, the social aspect of finding pilots making friends and enemies along the way and completing or overcoming challenges with other pilots.

They already do.

For example...

The biggest thing you might get out of botting is time to spend doing something else. You might argue "no, the biggest thing you get out of botting is a billion ISK" or so on, but that's not the truth, you could get the same billion ISK without the bot, you just have to actually be at the keys playing the game. With a bot, you let your bot do it just so you can get a billion ISK without spending that time in the game yourself. I spent a lot of time in the 90s botting MUDs and developing and selling bots for them, and bots were almost exclusively used to play catch-up in order to play with friends or adventure to the next cool area.

No mate, the biggest thing you get out of a bot is to spend less time doing something to get Y amount of ISK.

To get Y you need to do Z amount of ingame commands.
Isboxer: do Z / X amound of imgame commands. (x == amount of chars manage by IS boxer)

Some folks would just rather enjoy a technical challenge than have to deal with an often volatile and unreliable social challenge.

It's the price you pay for not making waves in the EVE universe because most multboxers do what they do for self gain and thus contribute absoloutely nothing to the sandbox.

I make my ISK using market ''tools'' so I'd not be intrested in using ISO box to grind ISK or PVE.

I am considering using it for the purpose of controlling 20 or so noob acounts runing through a proxy so I can use noob accounts to sucide gank in high sec. That way with 10 to 20 accounts on 14 day trials I should be able to take down a freighter on my own and not have to worry about sec status? Has any one had any experince using this and is it EULA legal?

Already gone through a 2L of Jergins and 3 packs of tissues.

Thats just one of the challenges that shouldn't easily overcome by just having more cash to pay for subs. Your going to meet volatile and unsocialable pilots in EVE, thats just how personalities go. If you simply didn't want the convinience of being anti-social and having no impact on the game that you should do missions, since thats what they were designed for - ultimate solitude while making a very small living.

It's the price you pay for not making waves in the EVE universe because most multboxers do what they do for self gain and thus contribute absoloutely nothing to the sandbox.

http://i.imgur.com/fpEQ5Cx.png

Very anti-social helping friends rep POS's

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People severely butthurt that they can afford neither a powerful enough computer nor the subscription costs to achieve what OP is doing. Regarding the "soloing an MMO" comment, how is this any different from solemnly warping from belt to belt killing rats on your lonesome or mining with your hulk in some shithole part of highsec? He's doing the exact same thing, but with multiple clients.

Bloobloo, nobody is jealous of botters. Change the record.

Bloobloo, nobody is jealous of botters. Change the record.

Do you even know what a bot is? ISBoxer is a key repeater, if you leave your computer everything stops, a bot keeps going without you. ISBoxer provides no automation whatsoever, you are a true moron.

Finally someone who understands what ISboxer is \o/ really all you need to do this is a key and a mouse repeater, although isboxers videofx, repeater regions etc. are a very nice add-on.

If your mad because you cant multibox it's a hobby that you either wouldn't enjoy anyway or couldn't because of financial reasons or still owning a six year old "gaming" computer. Sorry i cant afford a Porche Carerra S either but it's fun for those than can.

i don't really care about people using ISbox, it's never bothered my game, but it's just weird that CCP consider AFK activites like farming plexes to be such an issue that drones now have to be **** but farming incursions with multiple accounts with ISBox control is legit. it would just be nice if CCP stopped nerfing the game for people on single accounts.

i don't really care about people using ISbox, it's never bothered my game, but it's just weird that CCP consider AFK activites like farming plexes to be such an issue that drones now have to be **** but farming incursions with multiple accounts with ISBox control is legit. it would just be nice if CCP stopped nerfing the game for people on single accounts.

[quote=Skeln Thargensen][quote=xarjin]"AFK activities" Controlling logi as well as your own dps squad even with ISboxer certainly isn't a "AFK activity" Its actually very stressful and difficult to master.

If you want to highlight afk activities why not mention moon mining, market games - seeing as once you've placed a buy/sell order you are free to log off and your still making isk, or you know actual bots. As stated and proven by CCP ISboxer is not a botting automation program :P

what i mean is that you can accomplish farming by using multiple accounts and ISbox instead of going AFK with drones not that using ISBox is AFK play. so, i guess ISK farming isn't a problem if you're multiboxing?

Key repeating is a kind of automation. It saves you performing those key repeats on multiple machines therefor you gain an unfair advantage to a player that has to key repeat on each of those machines.

Key repeating is a kind of automation.

At a certain point this stuff might get out of control. If everyone starts to do it, it will likely get banned. Its kind of dumb to spread this stuff around and make forum posts about it.

As for myself, I would be very glad to see it banned. It goes against the spirit of the game multi-boxing to the extreme. The game is EvE Online, not Mass Button Control.

At a certain point this stuff might get out of control. If everyone starts to do it, it will likely get banned. Its kind of dumb to spread this stuff around and make forum posts about it.

As for myself, I would be very glad to see it banned. It goes against the spirit of the game multi-boxing to the extreme. The game is EvE Online, not Mass Button Control.