I guess you didnt think about how this mechanic would devastate incursion fleets then eh? Hard to run sites if your logi pilot saving your ass from the sansha rats is getting concorded >.>

Next time, think through how this affects everyone and not just you.

This is actually addressed by removal of the person from corp. Hopefully the corp members had the presence of mind to kill the corp mate before ejecting him.

The problem with suspect flagging in this case is that it breaks legit uses such as pick up fleets running missions.

AWOXers suck... but they legitimately happen when poor choices are made in corporate membership.

Yes there are many examples of corporations who could have prevented AWOXing incidents by doing some simple background checks on members prior before granting them membership. But there are also many cases where potential AWOXers cannot be predicted, especially with new characters with little to no history.
You do not even need more than a million SP to cause significant damage to a corp, just a cruiser and neutral RR.

But where, exactly, is the problem? The problem is not the neutral RR. The problem is the corp member shooting you. With or without a neutral remote repper, you have a problem. This is not a concordable offense.

What I believe you are asking for is that CCP code it so that that neutral repper becomes flagged as a legitimate target to the corp he is repping. There are problems with this, of course, in that there are many more cases where a non-corp member will repair you. How does the game tell the difference between someone AWOXing with a neutral repper supporting him during an incursion and a thrown together fleet with non-corp reppers helping them during an incursion? There are a lot of people who join incursion fleets as reppers - such a flagging mechanic would mean they could be ganked without fear of reprisal.

So then CCP would have to code a method for the game to flag a neutral repper repairing a corp-mate firing on you as target-able by either the entire corp or, preferably, just you. But then this again opens up the unintended consequence of people using this to gank neutral RR in fleets without fear or reprisal.

Sometimes laws/code create more problems than they solve.

But where, exactly, is the problem? The problem is not the neutral RR. The problem is the corp member shooting you. With or without a neutral remote repper, you have a problem. This is not a concordable offense.

What I believe you are asking for is that CCP code it so that that neutral repper becomes flagged as a legitimate target to the corp he is repping. There are problems with this, of course, in that there are many more cases where a non-corp member will repair you.

How does the game tell the difference between someone AWOXing with a neutral repper supporting him during an incursion and a thrown together fleet with non-corp reppers helping them during an incursion? There are a lot of people who join incursion fleets as reppers - such a flagging mechanic would mean they could be ganked without fear of reprisal.

So then CCP would have to code a method for the game to flag a neutral repper repairing a corp-mate firing on you as target-able by either the entire corp or, preferably, just you. But then this again opens up the unintended consequence of people using this to gank neutral RR in fleets without fear or reprisal.

Sometimes laws/code create more problems than they solve.

Sorry, the forums ate the post I was working on.

But to summarize:

To The Reaper J - The idea of making something that benefits another player a criminal offense in and of itself - regardless of circumstance, is shortsighted and neglects a lot of how the game is played. There are many instances where leaving your corp to join another to run missions or incursions with friends is neither desirable or convenient. Heck, random mining fleets where repping is provided would be negatively impacted. Also, do not forget the afore mentioned fact that outside of in-corp fighting, neutral repping flags you as a suspect allowing anyone to shoot you.

Let me illustrate a better way below.


To StrongSmartSexy - Yeah, my comment about Concordable action was more of a statement of fact about the repping than accusation .

There are always methods to improve coding. But the primary complication here arises from Corporation members being able to freely shoot each other without dueling. I think Crimewatch is better than what we had before, but if it were to be improved to address remote repping without penaly I believe the two following things must happen together:

1 - Members within a corporation should no longer be allowed to shoot each other freely outside of dueling and...
2 - A CEO can flag and unflag corporation members for mutual PvP which can be declined (the flagging) by the member. It can be further expanded to allow mutual PvP within an alliance so that High Sec Alliances can have war games without fear of being concorded, or having members leave to form a new corp, or leave Hgh Sec. Only a CEO can add a member to the list and there would be two columns: Corporation and Alliance. The Corporation check box marks the player for in corp PvP while the alliance check box marks the player for in alliance PvP. Only those marked for PvP in their respective areas can freely engage in it. Also, as a precaution, any CEO within the alliance can remove someone from the Alliance PvP list if necessary.

For removal of someone from the PvP list: After a 15 minute timer, they would not longer be able to engage other PvP flagged corp/alliance members without flipping their safeties off.

Corp members can only accept the PvP flag when they are docked.

The PvP flag should be something accepted by the player, as opposed to imposed.

This would alter some game play as far as Corporations exacting "justice" on a rogue member, but I've always thought there should be a special way to deal with corp thieves than just waiting for them to undock prior to their leaving/being kicked from the corp.

And this change would break Incursions entirely, way to think it out fail.

[quote=The Reaper J]
You missed their point. Logi's would only be flagged/killed for repping those who are in the process of performing a criminal act. If the individual getting repped is about to be concorded, so would the logi. If they were about to get a criminal flag (i.e baiting), so would the logi.

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Please biomass

Look, someone lost a 1 vs 5 and is crying about it on forums. :D

This game is Pay-To-Win. The more alts you have and the better characters you have and the better fit ships you have mean EVERYTHING.

"Pay-to-Win" I don't think it means what you think it means.

Whoever has the most real life money can buy the best characters and best ships. Now obviously it is still an MMO so it's not like you can "win" or even take on Everyone else yourself. But you can still use your alts to turn the tide of hi sec small grouped skirmishes.

Pay-To-Win is a term used to describe people who spend hundreds, thousands, or even more to further themselves in games faster then the normal player. In some games this allows you to be the top dog. In EVE corporations and alliances are the ruling factor so a single player cannot rule everyone but it still stands. You can pay tons of RL money to advance yourself really high in this game.

Whoever has the most real life money can buy the best characters and best ships. Now obviously it is still an MMO so it's not like you can "win" or even take on Everyone else yourself. But you can still use your alts to turn the tide of hi sec small grouped skirmishes.

Pay-To-Win is a term used to describe people who spend hundreds, thousands, or even more to further themselves in games faster then the normal player. In some games this allows you to be the top dog. In EVE corporations and alliances are the ruling factor so a single player cannot rule everyone but it still stands. You can pay tons of RL money to advance yourself really high in this game.

C'mon, show us that killmail
I'm sure it is as awesome as this one

Nothing has been mentioned really here about Neutral RR toons. This is a massive exploit, and most people i see don't care about flags. They rep up the targeted ship no matter what, even if they get flagged in high sec. Simple code needs to be done to have neutral RR logi's concorded for interfence in a battle between corps. Simple as that.

"Pay-to-Win" = paying for things that you can't get otherwise (e.g. gold ammo -- EVE equivalent would be like no T2 or Faction ammo unless you buy it with AUR/PLEX).

There's nothing you can pay for to gain (much) of an advantage over other players. As it stands the only thing you can directly buy in EVE for RL money is ISK (via a PLEX).

Sure, ~1b ISK is a fair bit of cash (per GTC) ... but it's not going to really make me any better in the long run. Furthermore, all it does is move around assets that are already in the game.

1 GTC/2 PLEX/1b ISK in Eve Terms
- 60d gametime OR
- (approx) 4 fit exhumers OR
- (approx) 100 catalysts OR
- (approx) 4 fit BS OR
- set of +5 implants OR
- 2/3 of a Mining Mindlink OR
- 2/3 of Michi's Excavation Augmenter OR
- 2/3 of a (fit) Mach, or other faction BS OR
- set of pirate implants OR
- clone + non-mining links (1 clone each with siege/skirmish/armor/info), with enough left over to cover a few pod losses. OR
- capital ships + [racial] carrier/dreadnought OR
- 1 BS BPO OR
- 2 "Tier 3" BC BPOs OR
- a few months' POS fuel OR
- more stuff I'm too lazy to type out

alternatively, you could always use it to buy a character. But if you're terribad at 10m SP, you're not gonna be any better after buying a 100m SP character.

New Idea.

Make any and all LOGI ship assistance that is outside a specific corp a concordable offence. No one cares about flags.

Please continue with the tears, they are delicious.

Here is the kill The Reaper J is so butthurt about: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=17402337

Why do you hate group content?

Oh, and i don't hate group content. I hate cheating. If you fight, you fight honorably. Not some back stabbing poor excuse for a human being.