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Anslo
The Scope
Gallente Federation
1393
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Posted - 2013.04.13 15:24:00 -
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I don't remember the last time I gave two damns or a **** to even bother making a an original post on the IGS. I normally wait for someone else to start the conversation and just jump in. But not this time. I've seen my home and its government do some stupid **** in the past. Sometimes stupid **** simply can't be avoided because well, we're human. It happens.
But this recent act of stupidity takes the gods damned cake.
As a citizen of an Empire which prides itself in a voice for everyone no matter race or creed, as a small part in a great melting pot that has become the Federation, I am posting this petition demanding, as a Gallentean, Federal citizen, and New Eden denizen, that the powers to be in the Federation immediately open dialogue with Republic diplomats to publicly show a willingness to begin open cooperation with OUR ALLIES to assist in what has happened.
Let me say this before I continue. I know some of you smug ass hats and nose up eggers are going to look down and say that I have no authority to demand anything but guess what? I simply do not give two simple FUCKS. I got nothing to prove to you so don't waste your time poking at that so that an actual conversation can be had from this.
Now, on with the show.
What happened in Caille was a tragedy. A lot of good people died at an event that was supposed to be peaceful and productive. I don't know what the hell that Gallente man who sprayed the crowd was thinking, but believe me when I say I wish I could wring the mother ******* neck. He killed people of both Nations. Both sides are hurting. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't at LEAST begin planning next steps together while the local government handles the situation.
Some people are going to say the Minmatar are to blame and that maybe a joint group would have been held prior to the RSS event. But let me post this in response; maybe the RSS situation wouldn't have happened if we had told the Republic SOME information to give them some hope?
"Oh but Gallenteans were hurt! We tend to them first!"
"The Republic should be patient!"
"They're acting like children demanding blablabla.."
Get the **** over yourselves.
This is the fact. A MINMATAR diplomat, regardless of Ray of Matar status or not, was harmed on OUR SOIL. It was the responsibility of the Federation to ensure that this diplomat was safe. Yeah that failed pretty badly. So you would think the next step would be to give some information to the Matari about the current situation and request that planning for a joint task force begin. It was our soil, but their diplomat. We should be working together. And it should have happened immediately. The local government was cleaning up and tending to wounded, but planning could have at least HAPPENED to let our supposed allies know that they're ALLIES and not children who need to wait for the adults to tell them news.
Which is exactly how it was handled.
Shakor demanded Karin be transported back to the Republic. But instead of using reasoning to tell him that it's dangerous, that it could kill her, and that we should plan a joint operation to investigate the situation and a collaboration between doctors to care for Midular in Federation space with Gallente AND Minmatar doctors, Roden simply said no.
No name was given of the killer, no face, no weapon, no information, no nothing.
And people wonder why the RSS got up in arms.
Yes Gallenteans are injured. That sucks. And they're being tended for. But there's nothing that would take away from THEIR by planning with the Minmatar to help Midular. Not a gods damned thing to just PLAN IT. To just treat them as EQUALS and not pets.
I've been seeing this trend a lot on different planets and cities across the Fed that I won't bother rambling about here, but the fact that the government of the supposed 'melting pot' of the verse is acting like this is beyond words.
I don't care if it only happened a few hours after the event. We have enough people in the government to begin reaching across the aisle of stars to give our allies some hope and to start working together to plan future action.
But instead we pointed guns and told em to hit the road. That's ******* stupid.
Say what you want here about me positive or negative but like I said, 0 fucks given.
If you agree with me, post your support. Especially Federal citizens. This is our right and our voice. The government works for us, not the other way around. We the people have the right to demand this. So I'm demanding it.
Stop stone walling our allies and start working with them you sods.
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Lyn Farel
Kitzless
462
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Posted - 2013.04.13 15:57:00 -
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Huh ? |
BloodBird
Mixed Metaphor
135
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Posted - 2013.04.13 16:05:00 -
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Good use of respectful language Anslo. Nice format. Effective layout of your arguments and points.
I am sure they will listen to you and consider your request.
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Narcisa De Fontaine
Core medical group
5
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Posted - 2013.04.13 16:11:00 -
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This isn't an accurate representation of events, Anslo. The added CAPITAL LETTERS and expletives only serve to indicate it may well have been written by an adolescent. Calm down. What you think adds imperative to what you're saying only makes it more difficult to follow your train of thought.
The Federation's deeply felt conviction that they have a moral obligation to treat Karin Midular to the best of their ability; verses the Sebiestor tribe's deeply felt conviction that Midular's care and security is their business alone; is a circular argument that's already spun around and around in the other thread. We don't need to revisit that here to create another long list of people repeating the same "She'll die if you move her" and then "That's not the point" over and over again.
What you've chosen to skip over is that the Republic were also demanding custody of the perpetrator of the attack. Roden was obligated not to hand over a Federal citizen to a foreign power for a crime committed within the Federation. It was entirely unrealistic of Shakor to make this demand, and unrealistic of RSS to expect to be allowed to breach our sovereignty and enter the Federation without the approval of the authorities.
As much as I hate what this individual has done, it is more important than ever to see that this case is dealt with according to Federal law. Extradition to the Republic can be discussed at a later date, again, in accordance with the law.
In spite of crass manner in which you raise your point, and the inaccuracies aside, I do agree with you that the matter requires co-operation and joint investigation. It is unbearable to think that the tensions this attack have caused are the opposite of what Karin Midular was here to encourage.
I would also like to point out that we have no news of the status of any discussions between the Sebiestor tribe and the Federal authorities at this time. To speculate on the content of discussions we are not and will not be privy to will only muddy these issues further. |
Anslo
The Scope
Gallente Federation
1395
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Posted - 2013.04.13 16:20:00 -
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"Shakor demanded Karin be transported back to the Republic. But instead of using reasoning to tell him that it's dangerous, that it could kill her, and that we should plan a joint operation to investigate the situation and a collaboration between doctors to care for Midular in Federation space with Gallente AND Minmatar doctors, Roden simply said no."
He demanded and Roden just said no. No offer to calm them down. No reaching out to collaborate. Nothing. We told em to shove off and pointed guns at allies instead of reasoning with the Matari in the first place when the event occured.
And it might be crass and seemingly written by an 'adolescent,' but I prefer direct and very blunt ways of delivering my opinions.
Scientific issues are a different matter, like when discussing a patient or an experiment or something. But opinions? Blunt. Straight forward. No BS. We got politicians for that.
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient
Electus Matari
309
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Posted - 2013.04.13 16:40:00 -
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I think I like you.
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Evi Polevhia
True Slave Foundations
Shaktipat Revelators
106
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Posted - 2013.04.13 17:17:00 -
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Anslo wrote: We told em to shove off and pointed guns at allies instead of reasoning with the Matari in the first place when the event occured.
Remind me, my memory is fuzzy. Who took an armed fleet and breached who's space? |
Anslo
The Scope
Gallente Federation
1399
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Posted - 2013.04.13 17:20:00 -
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Evi Polevhia wrote:Anslo wrote: We told em to shove off and pointed guns at allies instead of reasoning with the Matari in the first place when the event occured. Remind me, my memory is fuzzy. Who took an armed fleet and breached who's space?
Who let the situation get to that point?
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Gosakumori Noh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
176
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Posted - 2013.04.13 17:37:00 -
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Anslo wrote:Evi Polevhia wrote:Anslo wrote: We told em to shove off and pointed guns at allies instead of reasoning with the Matari in the first place when the event occured. Remind me, my memory is fuzzy. Who took an armed fleet and breached who's space? Who let the situation get to that point?
The party that launched the armed fleet.
Despite how many times you might fall off of a pole, you haven't pretended to be quite this stupid before. Are you concerned that the Sebiestor are too incompetent to advance their own cause? I admit the evidence on that front is compelling. |
Fredfredbug4
Eve Defence Force
Tribal Band
680
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Posted - 2013.04.13 18:20:00 -
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I admire your passion, but if you want to make your voice heard, make sure it's not rabble and dribble.
Simply put, the sheer amount of profanity and hotheadedness you are using in this petition, letter, whatever it is is going to have it put in a shredder before anyone of importance has a chance to read it.
I accidentally my assets, is this bad?-á |
Hadrian Tivianne
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2013.04.13 20:32:00 -
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I'm just curious, why is it the Federation's responsibility? That is what you're implying. But why? Can you give a proper reason? Oh, the Federation is so cruel for pointing guns at their allies! We should have given them something, anything! This is what friends do!
Okay. And the RSS breached a border.
Oh! But the Federation should have been nicer! Been more diplomatic!
Why? Again, why is it the Federation's responsibility? Your claim that the Federation could have reached out is just as easily applied the other way. The Republic could have just waited a reasonable amount of time. Emotions were high, sure, but I'm pretty damn confident they were just as high for the Federation.
I'm not saying that some sort of proper diplomatic approach shouldn't be taken, that both sides shouldn't work together. I just want a real reason for why you think the Federation has to be the one to shoulder the burden and responsibility, be the one to account for it's actions. |
Anslo
The Scope
Gallente Federation
1400
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Posted - 2013.04.13 20:33:00 -
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Gosakumori Noh wrote:Pretentious Amarrian rambling.
Fascinating.
Fredfredbug4 wrote:I admire your passion, but if you want to make your voice heard, make sure it's not rabble and dribble.
Simply put, the sheer amount of profanity and hotheadedness you are using in this petition, letter, whatever it is is going to have it put in a shredder before anyone of importance has a chance to read it.
Rabble and dribble to the egotistical is clear and logical to the humble.
Besides, I like my hot headedness. This isn't meant solely for the government talking heads. I'm no political leader. I'm hoping the passion catches on and someone who's MUCH more versed in politics and such will join in.
Hadrian Tivianne wrote:I'm just curious, why is it the Federation's responsibility? That is what you're implying. But why? Can you give a proper reason?
See
Anslo wrote:A MINMATAR diplomat, regardless of Ray of Matar status or not, was harmed on OUR SOIL. It was the responsibility of the Federation to ensure that this diplomat was safe. Yeah that failed pretty badly. So you would think the next step would be to give some information to the Matari about the current situation and request that planning for a joint task force begin. It was our soil, but their diplomat. We should be working together. And it should have happened immediately.
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Hadrian Tivianne
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2013.04.13 21:01:00 -
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Anslo wrote:See Anslo wrote:A MINMATAR diplomat, regardless of Ray of Matar status or not, was harmed on OUR SOIL. It was the responsibility of the Federation to ensure that this diplomat was safe. Yeah that failed pretty badly. So you would think the next step would be to give some information to the Matari about the current situation and request that planning for a joint task force begin. It was our soil, but their diplomat. We should be working together. And it should have happened immediately.
I would think that securing the criminal as well as providing immediate medical assistance for all those who need it should be the immediate response. Number of casualties and wounded needs to be determined. The criminal needs to be sectioned off from contact with the outside world and questioned completely. Leads and information need to be established as fast as possible as the longer it takes, the faster the trail can grow cold. Time to analyze the situation is required, so that the responses that would very likely have happened do happen. Only they are as informative as possible, not substance lacking or incomplete. 24 hours is a reasonable amount of time. A solid collection of information and a proper, complete statement and invitation can be made in 24 hours. Questioning and proper medical assistance for all those involved can happen within 24 hours. Admittedly, longer than that and I would start to wonder what the priorities were.
The Federation was not given 24 hours. |
Ava Starfire
Gradient
Electus Matari
799
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Posted - 2013.04.13 21:37:00 -
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In the event that anyone in the Federation in a position of authority reads this:
I am sure our Chief's medical needs are being met as well as is possible. We have no reason to doubt the health care and the skill of the doctors in the federation, and that they are doing their all for every single person wounded in this senseless attack.
We are upset, particularly those of the Sebiestor Tribe. She represents all that is good about our Tribe, climbing past her childhood and her circumstances to bear the Ray of Matar, and this bringing hope to all of my people. She was an able leader, she IS a wonderful chief, and she has a rare quality that many world leaders cannot lay claim to: She isnt a psychopath.
We care about her. A lot. I do not have the words to express to people to whom our culture is alien how very much she means to us. I am sorry for the zealousness of some of my kin. As I said, I have no good way to express how important Karin Midular is to us.
I would humbly ask that, at least, a shaman and a tribal delegate be permitted to come to the Federation and stay with her. In the event the worst happens, she must be given the proper rites. She has suffered enough throughout her life, and her dedication to the cause of my people has never been in question. The relations of the Minmatar, as a whole, with other nations. particularly the Federation, are in no small part the result of her efforts.
Now it is the Tribe's turn to be there for her, even in a small way as requested above. Please, permit us this.
Avlynka Surionen
"There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception."
-Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North" |
Caellach Marellus
Aideron Technologies
828
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Posted - 2013.04.13 21:49:00 -
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Sorry Anslo but your request is entirely wrong.
Who treats her shouldn't be a case of being there simply to tick a box. She should have the best care that is available to her, ethnicities be damned.
It's that kind of sentimental crap that risks her life for no gain to her well being. She's a human, not a political toy to be played with.
Enjoy your gaming.
http://northern-goblin.blogspot.com |
Seriphyn Inhonores
Destiny Foundation
464
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Posted - 2013.04.13 23:26:00 -
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Narcisa De Fontaine wrote:The added CAPITAL LETTERS and expletives only serve to indicate it may well have been written by an adolescent. Calm down. What you think adds imperative to what you're saying only makes it more difficult to follow your train of thought.
Anslo, stop acting with such indignation. Stop using the tragedy as an excuse to soundhole against the Federation.
The only people who have license to be so upset are the followers of the Ray of Matar, and the citizens of Caille who were rocked by this massacre.
What I see from you is being a self-righteous Gallentean taking up business that isn't even yours. What compels you to write such a juvenile post about something that doesn't affect you as much as it affects the others directly harmed by the events at the festival?
This isn't about Midular or Caille. It's about you getting angry.
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
218
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Posted - 2013.04.13 23:45:00 -
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I don't often take part in these discussions, but I would like to ask a question.
Where is the citation that President Roden said a flat 'No' to Sanmatar Shakor over the movement.
The news article covering the fleet....
http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/republic-security-services-stand-off-with-federation-navy-over-shooter/
as well as the article alleging to the meeting
http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/former-minmatar-minister-caille-wounded/
Only spoke of them demanding immediate custody of the shooter.
The later article refered to the Medical Staff on Caille stating it would be too dangerous to move her in her current condition.
http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/karin-midular-in-coma-republic-demands-transfer/
So.... Have I missed a reference somewhere, or are people mixing up the two events significantly and attributing statements to the wrong people? |
Xao Chu-Li
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2013.04.14 00:18:00 -
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Nothing is gained when accusations and irritations are used as weaponry between allies. Shaman Surionen is wise in requesting a level-minded approach and the permission of a delegate to Midular's side.
Perhaps we can all take a step back from the emotions that trouble our hearts and the confusion that troubles our minds and reach toward one another instead of at one another. |
Ston Momaki
Disciples of Ston
766
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Posted - 2013.04.14 00:41:00 -
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Shaman Surionen's request is reasonable.
It is right.
It ought to be done.
The Disciples of Ston bid you peace |
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
1339
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Posted - 2013.04.14 02:27:00 -
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Evi Polevhia wrote:Remind me, my memory is fuzzy. Who took an armed fleet and breached who's space?
Which time? Oh wait...
Live Events are neither. |
BloodBird
Mixed Metaphor
139
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Posted - 2013.04.14 05:26:00 -
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Katran Luftschreck wrote:Evi Polevhia wrote:Remind me, my memory is fuzzy. Who took an armed fleet and breached who's space? Which time? Oh wait...
Listen pilot, I will tell you this once, for your own good.
Your behavior is extremely shameful. We get it - you don't like the Federation, and especially not the Republic, and you seem to like sucking up to your State allies. But this... this dishonorable behavior has got to stop.
You are an Ammatar, and an Imperial subject, and whatever your position, as a capsuleer you have people who look to you, if for nothing else than as an example. You do not wish to be the example of the most vile among your kind, to anyone.
You are spiteful, you are dishonest, and a chronic complainer. Any chance you get to be snide or snarly, to toss around some insult or supposedly witty comment, you take. This is abundantly clear, everywhere.
The Ammatar Mandate's people have been around for a while. It has a history. Even as we speak many, many punish the children for the sins of the fathers, either through though, word, or often times, action - as punishment for this history. and your way way of life.
I can understand that this may make you bitter and angry, and that you would want to lash out. I know what it is like when it seems a whole people's greatest desire is to see you dead and what you cherish destroyed at their hands, but this is not the way to strike back.
All you manage here is to shame yourself and your people further through your childish behavior. Rise above it. Involve yourself in matters that concern yourself and yours. Speak you mind on any topic you wish, but try to do so with at least a little respect. Speak out against any lies or claims aimed at yourself and yours, but don't engage in this behavior anymore, it serves no purpose in any civilized engagement, verbal or otherwise.
You are Ammatar. You are an Imperial subject. Either like to style themselves civilized people, a model others should supposedly look up to and wish to emulate. Do a better job at that.
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Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
613
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Posted - 2013.04.14 06:13:00 -
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Some of you may not care for Pilot Anslo's presentation but, that doesn't make him wrong.
As I'm somewhat emotional now I'll make no further comment other than to say thank you to those who expressed their best wishes for the victims and for our Chief.
What you want is irrelevant, what you've chosen is at hand. |
Heinel Coventina
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.04.14 10:31:00 -
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Anabella Rella wrote:Some of you may not care for Pilot Anslo's presentation but, that doesn't make him wrong.
As I'm somewhat emotional now I'll make no further comment other than to say thank you to those who expressed their best wishes for the victims and for our Chief.
While I can, and I'm sure many others too, agree on that as allies, we should stop stonewalling one another, I interpreted it this way:
It looks like the Minmatar response hinges on putting a strong emphasis on empathy, and unity of the spirit. They pride these principles as of the tribe. What they-- you haven't acknowledge, however, is that these same principles are also upheld in the Federation, and is, in fact, exhibited in all societies. These are, after all, the foundation of which society is built upon. Without it, there will be no group, let alone a city, or a nation.
An atrocity has happened within the borders of the Federation. The police force of Caille has failed to protect the people who are put under their care. It was a mistake. A grave one. An unforgivable one. The authority of the guardians of Caille, and by extension, the Federation, is put to the test.
The Federation now faces a dilemma.
1. Restore the name of the Federation by seeing to it that this matter is put to an acceptable conclusion. What we allowed to start, we will put to an end.
2. Tarnish the reputation of the Federation, in the eyes of our allies, our enemies, and most importantly, our people, by letting someone else take care of our problem. The Federation will from that day on be known as the interstellar nation who cannot handle security in a city, on one planet.
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Allies of the Federation, do you give us a chance to finish that which we have yet to finish, a chance to correct our mistakes, as you would a child learning the weight of responsibility?
Or do you condemn, with your fleet at the ready, of our incompetence, unfit as your equal? |
Adreena Madeveda
56
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Posted - 2013.04.14 11:26:00 -
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How would a cooperative investigation tarnish the Federation's pride ?
How would accessing Ava's demands be anything less than a show of respect -how would that tarnish the Federation's pride ?
Is it allies you want or -what's the word, faire-valoir ?
http://dignifiednuclearwaste.overblog.com |
Da Dom
Wii R
45
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Posted - 2013.04.17 21:47:00 -
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The Wii R Empire supports your petition Anslo.
As allies, the Federation and Republic needs to show that it is a united force capable of standing against it's common enemies. This incident and it's handling does not do that, and instead shows a profound weakness that can be used to cripple the Gallante-Minmatar alliance.
Our condolences go out to the all the victims of this atrocity.
If your liberty is won by others then you are not free, you are merely protected. You who have enjoyed freedom, who have done nothing to earn it, your time has come. This time you will stand alone and fight for yourselves. Now you will pay for your freedom in the currency of honest toil and human blood |
Silas Vitalia
Nobilita Nera
JIHADASQUAD
796
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Posted - 2013.04.17 23:32:00 -
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You seem upset! You should make a thread about it.
Also more capital letters. And more cursing.
This time with feeling, Anslo.
Sabik now, Sabik forever |
Shintoko Akahoshi
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A
Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
16
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Posted - 2013.04.18 00:10:00 -
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I think you're confusing him with Inhonores, hun.
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