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Polaris Sagan
Sagan Enterprises
33
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Posted - 2013.04.13 17:52:00 -
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You're stealing from people and everyone can shoot you and you don't like it...That's like complaining that you can't steal from an armoured van because all the police will be after you... Putting suspect timers on thieves was a great idea if you ask me.. |
Shilyndel
Turndine Industries
3
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Posted - 2013.04.13 17:54:00 -
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Just thought it was better before when you only aggressed the guy mining into the can and his corp. |
Polaris Sagan
Sagan Enterprises
33
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Posted - 2013.04.13 17:58:00 -
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Shilyndel wrote:Just thought it was better before when you only aggressed the guy mining into the can and his corp.
I dunno man, in my opinion stealing is an offence. I think its a great idea putting suspect timers on people who steal from other players. Although to be fair, not many people will shoot someone thats blinky yellow in hisec from what I have observed, so youre as safe as anyone else haha...
Theres a guy in Funtanainen that sits in a rifter with a suspect timer and no one shoots him so he gets bored and insults people in local for not shooting him etc its rather amusing... |
Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
704
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Posted - 2013.04.13 17:59:00 -
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Shilyndel wrote:Just thought it was better before when you only aggressed the guy mining into the can and his corp.
One of the reasons so few people are explaining themselves and most of them are just bashing you is because you haven't ever actually explained what about the old system is better. You started a thread and said "I don't like this". Then, you responded and said "I still don't like this". |
Hazzard
Imperial Guardians Tribal Band
33
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Posted - 2013.04.13 18:07:00 -
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Ahh the tears....
Let me enjoy this moment a bit longer.....
Your not happy you can't can flip with no issues? Grow a pair and defend what you did. Easy enough to have corpped alts on standby to warp in and help out etc..
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Shilyndel
Turndine Industries
3
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Posted - 2013.04.13 18:08:00 -
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Kahega Amielden wrote:Shilyndel wrote:Just thought it was better before when you only aggressed the guy mining into the can and his corp. One of the reasons so few people are explaining themselves and most of them are just bashing you is because you haven't ever actually explained what about the old system is better. You started a thread and said "I don't like this". Then, you responded and said "I still don't like this".
Seems like to me most of the people commenting on here are "elitist" players that would rather bash people than offer a sound debate. Yes, my title/first post was a bit broad, but I assumed most would know what I was getting at. Guess not. |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
2359
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Posted - 2013.04.13 18:09:00 -
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Confirming OP is bad at solo PvP.
You're being bashed on because a) most people enjoy this new mechanic, and b) because the only reasoning you put forward is "why are these defenseless ships not sufficiently defenseless, so I can farm them for solo kills (since soloing other pvpers is too expensive, aka hard) " Rifterlings - small gang frigate PvP - lowsec FW operation, newbie-friendly, free ship program; Join today! www.rifterlings.com
Accidentally The Whole Frigate (blog) - Learning how to pew pew, one loss at a time - www.thewholefrigate.com |
Shilyndel
Turndine Industries
3
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Posted - 2013.04.13 18:11:00 -
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I stated earlier that i didn't want the exhumer kills. I wanted the combat ship they came back with. |
Polaris Sagan
Sagan Enterprises
33
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Posted - 2013.04.13 18:12:00 -
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Shilyndel wrote:Kahega Amielden wrote:Shilyndel wrote:Just thought it was better before when you only aggressed the guy mining into the can and his corp. One of the reasons so few people are explaining themselves and most of them are just bashing you is because you haven't ever actually explained what about the old system is better. You started a thread and said "I don't like this". Then, you responded and said "I still don't like this". Seems like to me most of the people commenting on here are "elitist" players that would rather bash people than offer a sound debate. Yes, my title/first post was a bit broad, but I assumed most would know what I was getting at. Guess not.
We know what youre getting at... But the new system imo is actualy better. You cant steal and then expect to just get away with it... The new system works so that people have the opertunity to make you pay for your crimes and can blow you up for being a thief... |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
2396
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Posted - 2013.04.13 18:14:00 -
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Shilyndel wrote: Yes, my title/first post was a bit broad, but I assumed most would know what I was getting at. Guess not.
Au contraire, my fellow pod pilot.
They know exactly what you are getting at. Hence the laughter and derision at your expense.
Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
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Shilyndel
Turndine Industries
3
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Posted - 2013.04.13 18:15:00 -
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Polaris Sagan wrote:Shilyndel wrote:Kahega Amielden wrote:Shilyndel wrote:Just thought it was better before when you only aggressed the guy mining into the can and his corp. One of the reasons so few people are explaining themselves and most of them are just bashing you is because you haven't ever actually explained what about the old system is better. You started a thread and said "I don't like this". Then, you responded and said "I still don't like this". Seems like to me most of the people commenting on here are "elitist" players that would rather bash people than offer a sound debate. Yes, my title/first post was a bit broad, but I assumed most would know what I was getting at. Guess not. We know what youre getting at... But the new system imo is actualy better. You cant steal and then expect to just get away with it... The new system works so that people have the opertunity to make you pay for your crimes and can blow you up for being a thief...
Players had that ability before. I got into lots of fights before with multiple corp buddies of the flipped person and it was great. Now it's basically like lowsec if you flip a can and everyone can shoot you, meaning it's made flipping useless/pointless. That's my point. |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
2359
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Posted - 2013.04.13 18:15:00 -
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Shilyndel wrote:I stated earlier that i didn't want the exhumer kills. I wanted the combat ship they came back with. And the suspect system matters how, exactly? If he was going to swap to a combat ship and attack you, he's even more likely to do it now on the off chance someone helps. If he wasn't, the suspect system means someone completely different may give you the fight you want. How is being able to fight more people a problem? If that's the problem, I suggest either dueling (so you're not outnumbered) or getting better at solo PvP that doesn't involve picking on miners not skilled or familiar with PvP. Rifterlings - small gang frigate PvP - lowsec FW operation, newbie-friendly, free ship program; Join today! www.rifterlings.com
Accidentally The Whole Frigate (blog) - Learning how to pew pew, one loss at a time - www.thewholefrigate.com |
Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
706
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Posted - 2013.04.13 18:15:00 -
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Quote:Seems like to me most of the people commenting on here are "elitist" players that would rather bash people than offer a sound debate. Yes, my title/first post was a bit broad, but I assumed most would know what I was getting at. Guess not.
The first few responses did not bash you. I asked you why the effects of the change were a problem, and your response was it was "Softening up the game" without actually responding to what I said. Combine that with your statement of "I find solo PVP to be a waste of ISK", your whole thread up to that point sounds like nothing more than "CCP made it marginally harder for me to get effortless 300 mil KMs D:"
Granted, you're still going to get trolls even if you do post a well-reasoned argument, but the reason they were so many (and the proper responses so few) is because you didn't have one. You were not making an argument that the game was negatively affected by a change, you were whining, and that's going to significantly affect the quality of responses you get. |
Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
706
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Posted - 2013.04.13 18:18:00 -
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Quote:Players had that ability before. I got into lots of fights before with multiple corp buddies of the flipped person and it was great. Now it's basically like lowsec if you flip a can and everyone can shoot you, meaning it's made flipping useless/pointless. That's my point.
I thought the point of canflipping was to get the opportunity to shoot expensive, weak mining ships, not to remain in absolute safety yourself.
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Polaris Sagan
Sagan Enterprises
33
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Posted - 2013.04.13 18:18:00 -
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Shilyndel wrote:Polaris Sagan wrote:Shilyndel wrote:Kahega Amielden wrote:Shilyndel wrote:Just thought it was better before when you only aggressed the guy mining into the can and his corp. One of the reasons so few people are explaining themselves and most of them are just bashing you is because you haven't ever actually explained what about the old system is better. You started a thread and said "I don't like this". Then, you responded and said "I still don't like this". Seems like to me most of the people commenting on here are "elitist" players that would rather bash people than offer a sound debate. Yes, my title/first post was a bit broad, but I assumed most would know what I was getting at. Guess not. We know what youre getting at... But the new system imo is actualy better. You cant steal and then expect to just get away with it... The new system works so that people have the opertunity to make you pay for your crimes and can blow you up for being a thief... Players had that ability before. I got into lots of fights before with multiple corp buddies of the flipped person and it was great. Now it's basically like lowsec if you flip a can and everyone can shoot you, meaning it's made flipping useless/pointless. That's my point.
No, only the person and his corp (some players are in a corp by themselves or npc corps) that could shoot you before... The new system works so that new players (who dont have the ability to fight back) can be defended from pirates that will steal from noobs... |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
3189
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Posted - 2013.04.13 18:22:00 -
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Shilyndel wrote:Love the "Best MMO community" support on this. Just bashing on me. One guy offered a solution. (after he bashed on me) Thanks guys. Thanks for the mentoring and support.
Wow, you must be new here. This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |
Velicitia
Nex Exercitus
1374
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Posted - 2013.04.13 18:22:00 -
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Polaris Sagan wrote:No, only the person and his corp (some players are in a corp by themselves or npc corps) that could shoot you before... The new system works so that new players (who dont have the ability to fight back) can be defended from pirates that will steal from noobs... And before that it was anyone in your gang (yes, it was called a gang back then) would see the flipper go flashy.
I think that was changed in/around Apocrypha to be "your corp only" or something. It's nice that they're getting away from that, but they might've gone ever so slightly too far in who can shoot who. One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia Malcanis for CSM8 |
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
3200
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Posted - 2013.04.13 18:24:00 -
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I don't notice any difference. |
Shilyndel
Turndine Industries
3
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Posted - 2013.04.13 18:27:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Shilyndel wrote:Love the "Best MMO community" support on this. Just bashing on me. One guy offered a solution. (after he bashed on me) Thanks guys. Thanks for the mentoring and support. Wow, you must be new here.
I've only posted a few times before. I wanted to talk about the recent changes that have turned me off from the game. I have 5 accounts and barely play now. Just log in and keep the skill queues running. My original corp has disbanded due to RL obligations and it's hard to get in with new people because no one trusts anyone and it's hard to do a lot by yourself except for just flying around doing PvP. I want to get a POS setup in nullsec and start doing some serious mining ops or other activities. ....I'm sure this will give others more ammunition. Fire away. |
Polaris Sagan
Sagan Enterprises
33
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Posted - 2013.04.13 18:27:00 -
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Velicitia wrote:Polaris Sagan wrote:No, only the person and his corp (some players are in a corp by themselves or npc corps) that could shoot you before... The new system works so that new players (who dont have the ability to fight back) can be defended from pirates that will steal from noobs... And before that it was anyone in your gang (yes, it was called a gang back then) would see the flipper go flashy. I think that was changed in/around Apocrypha to be "your corp only" or something. It's nice that they're getting away from that, but they might've gone ever so slightly too far in who can shoot who.
Haha I'm only two months old so I wouldnt know whats what about that... But my first day that I tried mining properly (not just in missions) I had a guy steal from my can, all of the ore that I had just mined, I didnt know any different at the time not to jet can mine...but a passer by saw what was going down because the guy was trolling me in local after he had stole my can and shot him then told me to loot my stuff back after he had turned it blue for me...
If youre going to steal you should be ready to face the consequences from whoever...surely? |
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RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
3189
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Posted - 2013.04.13 18:30:00 -
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Polaris Sagan wrote:If youre going to steal you should be ready to face the consequences from whoever...surely?
If you're going to throw valuable things in the trash, you should be ready to face the possibility of someone taking it from you... surely? This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |
Polaris Sagan
Sagan Enterprises
33
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Posted - 2013.04.13 18:33:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Shilyndel wrote:Love the "Best MMO community" support on this. Just bashing on me. One guy offered a solution. (after he bashed on me) Thanks guys. Thanks for the mentoring and support. Wow, you must be new here. That said, Polaris Sagan wrote:Shilyndel wrote:Players had that ability before. I got into lots of fights before with multiple corp buddies of the flipped person and it was great. Now it's basically like lowsec if you flip a can and everyone can shoot you, meaning it's made flipping useless/pointless. That's my point. No, only the person and his corp (some players are in a corp by themselves or npc corps) that could shoot you before... The new system works so that new players (who dont have the ability to fight back) can be defended from pirates that will steal from noobs... You gotta actually read his posts if you're going to pretend to correct him. Besides that, players who are alone have made a choice to be alone. Why shouldn't there be consequences for that choice? The ability to have friends to shoot thieves was pretty much the last remaining advantage to being in a corp for miners. Also, why this weird assumption that people in Exhumers are "newbs?"
Firstly I was stating that not everyones in a corp with other people...so start taking a leaf out your book "You gotta actually read his posts if you're going to pretend to correct him."
Its not just people im exhumers that are stolen from though is it... The majority of the time its noobs because exhumers usually have an orca and you dont need to jetmine...
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
2396
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Posted - 2013.04.13 18:34:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Polaris Sagan wrote:If youre going to steal you should be ready to face the consequences from whoever...surely? If you're going to throw valuable things in the trash, you should be ready to face the possibility of someone taking it from you... surely?
When all else fails, pull out the argument from three years ago. The same one shot down a hundred times.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
2359
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Posted - 2013.04.13 18:35:00 -
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Shilyndel wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Shilyndel wrote:Love the "Best MMO community" support on this. Just bashing on me. One guy offered a solution. (after he bashed on me) Thanks guys. Thanks for the mentoring and support. Wow, you must be new here. I've only posted a few times before. I wanted to talk about the recent changes that have turned me off from the game. I have 5 accounts and barely play now. Just log in and keep the skill queues running. My original corp has disbanded due to RL obligations and it's hard to get in with new people because no one trusts anyone and it's hard to do a lot by yourself except for just flying around doing PvP. I want to get a POS setup in nullsec and start doing some serious mining ops or other activities. ....I'm sure this will give others more ammunition. Fire away. No corp is going to trust you with POS rights immediately, mainly because allowing you to put up a POS also allows you to take all the other POSes down. Join a corp as a regular member, and work your way up, or found your own corp and negotiate space rights with a nullsec entity. Nobody is going to hand you stuff on a platter, be it solo kills, POSes, or a good corp. Go work for it. Rifterlings - small gang frigate PvP - lowsec FW operation, newbie-friendly, free ship program; Join today! www.rifterlings.com
Accidentally The Whole Frigate (blog) - Learning how to pew pew, one loss at a time - www.thewholefrigate.com |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
1190
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Posted - 2013.04.13 18:37:00 -
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Kahega Amielden wrote:You're specifically going out looking for fights. Why would you consider more people being able to shoot you a bad thing? Oh hey look, it's someone who has never shot a person in highsec.
The "flipping" part of canflipping literally does not work anymore. Regardless of the pros and cons of being flagged to everyone in the game (which would be apparent to you if you had ever actually done the thing that this thread is about) you cannot actually "flip" a can anymore without using an unrelated, non-flagged character in addition to the character gaining the flag.
But hey, you wouldn't know anything about that, would you? |
Drunken Bum
96
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Posted - 2013.04.13 18:38:00 -
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Shilyndel wrote:Love the "Best MMO community" support on this. Just bashing on me. One guy offered a solution. (after he bashed on me) Thanks guys. Thanks for the mentoring and support. asking for mentoring and support, so he can gank noobs. Classy. Spare some change?-á |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
3189
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Posted - 2013.04.13 18:41:00 -
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Polaris Sagan wrote:Firstly I was stating that not everyones in a corp with other people...so start taking a leaf out your book "You gotta actually read his posts if you're going to pretend to correct him."
Its not just people im exhumers that are stolen from though is it... The majority of the time its noobs because exhumers usually have an orca and you dont need to jetmine...
1. He never said otherwise, and specifically said that he got in fun fights with corpmates. So I don't see what "No, only the person and his corp (some players are in a corp by themselves or npc corps) that could shoot you before... " this was supposed to indicate other than not reading his post.
2. Why shouldn't there be consequences to flying alone in dangerous space (all space in EVE is, by definition, dangerous)? Sometimes your ore gets stolen and you're best option is to move to another belt.
3. When I used to flip cans to get fights, I'd go after Exhumers because they were more likely to aggress. Very few people bother to hunt newbies because newbies generally don't have anything worth taking.
4. Plenty of miners who have been mining for a long time don't bring Orcas. I don't know why, they just don't. This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
3189
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Posted - 2013.04.13 18:44:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Polaris Sagan wrote:If youre going to steal you should be ready to face the consequences from whoever...surely? If you're going to throw valuable things in the trash, you should be ready to face the possibility of someone taking it from you... surely? When all else fails, pull out the argument from three years ago. The same one shot down a hundred times. Mr Epeen
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/jettison Definition of JETTISON
: a voluntary sacrifice of cargo to lighten a ship's load in time of distress
What's the button to create a jetcan again? "Jettison" I think it is. This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |
Shilyndel
Turndine Industries
3
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Posted - 2013.04.13 18:45:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Polaris Sagan wrote:Firstly I was stating that not everyones in a corp with other people...so start taking a leaf out your book "You gotta actually read his posts if you're going to pretend to correct him."
Its not just people im exhumers that are stolen from though is it... The majority of the time its noobs because exhumers usually have an orca and you dont need to jetmine... 1. He never said otherwise, and specifically said that he got in fun fights with corpmates. So I don't see what "No, only the person and his corp (some players are in a corp by themselves or npc corps) that could shoot you before... " this was supposed to indicate other than not reading his post. 2. Why shouldn't there be consequences to flying alone in dangerous space (all space in EVE is, by definition, dangerous)? Sometimes your ore gets stolen and you're best option is to move to another belt. 3. When I used to flip cans to get fights, I'd go after Exhumers because they were more likely to aggress. Very few people bother to hunt newbies because newbies generally don't have anything worth taking. 4. Plenty of miners who have been mining for a long time don't bring Orcas. I don't know why, they just don't.
One person getting it. |
Polaris Sagan
Sagan Enterprises
33
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Posted - 2013.04.13 18:55:00 -
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