Anyone else out there hate the new "I flip a can in a belt and now everyone can shoot me" thing?

Anyone else out there hate the new "I flip a can in a belt and now everyone can shoot me" thing?

Anyone else out there hate the new "I flip a can in a belt and now everyone can shoot me" thing?

Generally, to get someone to agress you in a "flipping" situation, you need to be in a small ship. (what I've found through experience) So, if I'm in a belt and flip a can in a frig and there are one to two more hulks there, their drones would easily **** me if I stayed or force me to leave.

Don't like the way they are "softening" up the game. Makes me not want to play it. Seems to me it's harder for casual pvp trouble to happen when you are solo. Yes, I could go to lowsec/nullsec and pvp, but that's only really viable with a group. Otherwise I'll just be flushing isk and adding losses. Thoughts?

Don't like the way they are "softening" up the game. Makes me not want to play it. Seems to me it's harder for casual pvp trouble to happen when you are solo. Yes, I could go to lowsec/nullsec and pvp, but that's only really viable with a group. Otherwise I'll just be flushing isk and adding losses. Thoughts?

And why not pick on the noobs? We all went through it when we started. I got flipped and i attacked and lost my ship. That's part of the game

Yes, I could go to lowsec/nullsec and pvp, but that's only really viable with a group. Otherwise I'll just be flushing isk and adding losses. Thoughts?

They're softening up the game because

-You suck at solo PVP, and

-Because you have to actually use your head to get to blow up expensive, defenseless mining ships.

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I'm not a noob and have been part of lowsec/nullsec running corp before. Just doesn't seem like there is much fun to be had in high sec anymore. And why not pick on the noobs? We all went through it when we started. I got flipped and i attacked and lost my ship. That's part of the game.

yes. You must be terrible at PvP.

people still jetcan mine?

while limited, yes, jetcans still have their use for miners.

Why even post things on the forums when you can't get a mature debate about it? I don't suck at solo PvP. I'm actually very successful. Now, instead of talking about the topic I posted I have to defend my play style/abilities. C'mon dude.

well I've seen guys do it in grav sites, but belts?

poor yield whores

by limited i mean "my 2nd hulk cycle is about to finish, and my orca is slightly out of range".

oh i see.

wait, people still mine in hulks?

j/k

Sorry, I am perhaps being a bit of a **** about this, but...

You did specifically say that PVP in low/null wasn't viable without a group. If you were "very successful" at it then you would not view it as flushing ISK down the drain.

Further, the prior system offered pretty much zero risk to you. No mining ship is going to have a warp scrambler, so you can warp out whenever necessary. There would never be any real assistance to be offered to the ganked mining ship; he was on his own, no matter how many friends he had. There was no interesting thoughts or decisionmaking to be had.

You warp into a belt in a ship small enough to look weak but powerful enough to kill a hulk (so, a t1 frigate), flip a can, and hope he shoots you. If he does, great! You get a free KM. If he doesn't? Darn, move onto next target. That's not interesting that's just farming stupidity.

Miners and canflippers can now make intelligent choices. A miner can have friends on standby to gank the canflipper. The canflipper needs to decide whether he wants to still go around in a t1 frigate, or try something larger. The canflipper can employ mind games like doing the flipping in a cheapfit t1 frigate, letting himself be destroyed, and coming back to destroy the complacent miners in a cruiser or something. Maybe the miners have a friend that came back in a combat ship and you get a good fight out of it, or maybe they were stupid and you get multiple exhumer kills out of it. Maybe you still do the flipping in a t1 frigate and have a friend come in with remote reps.

There is no disadvantage to the new system except an unwillingness to put that kind of mental effort into it.

Love the "Best MMO community" support on this. Just bashing on me. One guy offered a solution. (after he bashed on me) Thanks guys. Thanks for the mentoring and support.

alright, sorry. it's just that everytime CCP change the game in ways that make it harder to grief or gank the entire forum absolutely ***** themselves and starts shrieking about themeparks and other, less favoured MMOs. it's a bit dull. grief play is only an aspect and not the end all and be all of eve. there's masses of other stuff to do.

oh i see.

wait, people still mine in hulks?

j/k

Just thought it was better before when you only aggressed the guy mining into the can and his corp.

Just thought it was better before when you only aggressed the guy mining into the can and his corp.

One of the reasons so few people are explaining themselves and most of them are just bashing you is because you haven't ever actually explained what about the old system is better. You started a thread and said "I don't like this". Then, you responded and said "I still don't like this".

Seems like to me most of the people commenting on here are "elitist" players that would rather bash people than offer a sound debate. Yes, my title/first post was a bit broad, but I assumed most would know what I was getting at. Guess not.

Yes, my title/first post was a bit broad, but I assumed most would know what I was getting at. Guess not.

We know what youre getting at... But the new system imo is actualy better. You cant steal and then expect to just get away with it... The new system works so that people have the opertunity to make you pay for your crimes and can blow you up for being a thief...

I stated earlier that i didn't want the exhumer kills. I wanted the combat ship they came back with.

Seems like to me most of the people commenting on here are "elitist" players that would rather bash people than offer a sound debate. Yes, my title/first post was a bit broad, but I assumed most would know what I was getting at. Guess not.

Players had that ability before. I got into lots of fights before with multiple corp buddies of the flipped person and it was great. Now it's basically like lowsec if you flip a can and everyone can shoot you, meaning it's made flipping useless/pointless. That's my point.

Players had that ability before. I got into lots of fights before with multiple corp buddies of the flipped person and it was great. Now it's basically like lowsec if you flip a can and everyone can shoot you, meaning it's made flipping useless/pointless. That's my point.

Love the "Best MMO community" support on this. Just bashing on me. One guy offered a solution. (after he bashed on me) Thanks guys. Thanks for the mentoring and support.

No, only the person and his corp (some players are in a corp by themselves or npc corps) that could shoot you before...
The new system works so that new players (who dont have the ability to fight back) can be defended from pirates that will steal from noobs...

Wow, you must be new here.

And before that it was anyone in your gang (yes, it was called a gang back then) would see the flipper go flashy.

I think that was changed in/around Apocrypha to be "your corp only" or something. It's nice that they're getting away from that, but they might've gone ever so slightly too far in who can shoot who.

If youre going to steal you should be ready to face the consequences from whoever...surely?

Wow, you must be new here.


That said,


You gotta actually read his posts if you're going to pretend to correct him.

Besides that, players who are alone have made a choice to be alone. Why shouldn't there be consequences for that choice? The ability to have friends to shoot thieves was pretty much the last remaining advantage to being in a corp for miners.
Also, why this weird assumption that people in Exhumers are "newbs?"

If you're going to throw valuable things in the trash, you should be ready to face the possibility of someone taking it from you... surely?

I've only posted a few times before. I wanted to talk about the recent changes that have turned me off from the game. I have 5 accounts and barely play now. Just log in and keep the skill queues running. My original corp has disbanded due to RL obligations and it's hard to get in with new people because no one trusts anyone and it's hard to do a lot by yourself except for just flying around doing PvP. I want to get a POS setup in nullsec and start doing some serious mining ops or other activities. ....I'm sure this will give others more ammunition. Fire away.

You're specifically going out looking for fights. Why would you consider more people being able to shoot you a bad thing?

Love the "Best MMO community" support on this. Just bashing on me. One guy offered a solution. (after he bashed on me) Thanks guys. Thanks for the mentoring and support.

Firstly I was stating that not everyones in a corp with other people...so start taking a leaf out your book "You gotta actually read his posts if you're going to pretend to correct him."

Its not just people im exhumers that are stolen from though is it... The majority of the time its noobs because exhumers usually have an orca and you dont need to jetmine...

When all else fails, pull out the argument from three years ago. The same one shot down a hundred times.

Mr Epeen

1. He never said otherwise, and specifically said that he got in fun fights with corpmates. So I don't see what "No, only the person and his corp (some players are in a corp by themselves or npc corps) that could shoot you before... " this was supposed to indicate other than not reading his post.

2. Why shouldn't there be consequences to flying alone in dangerous space (all space in EVE is, by definition, dangerous)? Sometimes your ore gets stolen and you're best option is to move to another belt.

3. When I used to flip cans to get fights, I'd go after Exhumers because they were more likely to aggress. Very few people bother to hunt newbies because newbies generally don't have anything worth taking.

4. Plenty of miners who have been mining for a long time don't bring Orcas. I don't know why, they just don't.

Definition of JETTISON

: a voluntary sacrifice of cargo to lighten a ship's load in time of distress


What's the button to create a jetcan again? "Jettison" I think it is.

1. He never said otherwise, and specifically said that he got in fun fights with corpmates. So I don't see what "No, only the person and his corp (some players are in a corp by themselves or npc corps) that could shoot you before... " this was supposed to indicate other than not reading his post.

2. Why shouldn't there be consequences to flying alone in dangerous space (all space in EVE is, by definition, dangerous)? Sometimes your ore gets stolen and you're best option is to move to another belt.

3. When I used to flip cans to get fights, I'd go after Exhumers because they were more likely to aggress. Very few people bother to hunt newbies because newbies generally don't have anything worth taking.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/jettison
Definition of JETTISON

: a voluntary sacrifice of cargo to lighten a ship's load in time of distress


What's the button to create a jetcan again? "Jettison" I think it is.

Don't like the way they are "softening" up the game. Makes me not want to play it.

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... Thoughts?

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/jettison
Definition of JETTISON

: a voluntary sacrifice of cargo to lighten a ship's load in time of distress


What's the button to create a jetcan again? "Jettison" I think it is.

Definition of MORON

Person insisting on applying real world definitions to fantasy game mechanics.

Mr Epeen

by limited i mean "my 2nd hulk cycle is about to finish, and my orca is slightly out of range".

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