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Aelarn Morslade
Saybersoft
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Posted - 2013.04.13 22:49:00 -
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Hey guys,
I returned to Eve yesterday after a year or two long break. My character has just over 4 million SP's spent, of which more than 2.5 million of them are in the drone category. My memory is terrible, but I think I was working on building up to a Dominix drone boat, right now I am flying a Myrmidon.
People in the help channel today were saying that drones got big time nerfed quite some time ago and that drone boats are not nearly as effective as they used to be. Now as a returning character who is already lost from not remembering 90% of what's going on in this game, it's even more disheartening to hear that the 2.5 of 4 million SP's you have spent got nerfed to oblivion and that you "should be respeccing in something else."
What do I do? Did drones really get gutted that bad? Is the goal of a Dominix now moot and I should try working on something else?
Feeling overwhelmed and disappointed all at the same time. I almost want to just let this account go and start new from scratch.
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Elena Thiesant
Sun Micro Systems
274
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Posted - 2013.04.13 22:56:00 -
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Drones are fine in missions, you just have to pay attention (and maybe not use heavies, they're just too slow). A lot of the whining is from the AFK-mission types. The 'nerf' was that the AI will switch targets now and will attack your drones.
Myrm with 4 sentries is a perfectly effective L3 mission runner. It got rebalanced earlier this year, more bandwidth, one less turret. Domi's gettin a rebalance in June, losing the hybrid gun bonus, gaining a second drone bonus. The new drone damage amplifiers really help, not sure if they were added before or after you left, they've been buffed a bit recently. |
Aelarn Morslade
Saybersoft
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Posted - 2013.04.13 23:09:00 -
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The drone amps look new. Thank's for your reply. |
Baggo Hammers
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
9
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Posted - 2013.04.13 23:29:00 -
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Dominix can run any L4 mission. Also look into Micro Jump Drives. Made for sentry ships. |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
927
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Posted - 2013.04.13 23:52:00 -
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drones are fine, people just fail at adapting.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
Dheeradj Nurgle
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
341
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Posted - 2013.04.14 00:29:00 -
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Do you have two braincells to rub together? If yes, you are smarter than all those people who shout Drones are useless.
Adapt, Grow, Don't be an idiot. |
J'Poll
The Fiction Factory
Tribal Band
2063
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Posted - 2013.04.14 01:48:00 -
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Don't listen to all the whiners who now rage because they can't farm missions anymore while AFK.
Those are the guys that fail to understand something that Darwin already found out ages ago and used it in his book 'On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life":
Charles Darwin wrote:Survival of the fittest.
The whiners are the people who just fail to adapt to a new way of using drones and can't / won't understand that you actually have to manage them.
So as long as you manage your drones (pull them back when they get aggro, etc) you are just fine.
When a WoW player leaves to return to WoW, the avg. IQ of both games rises.
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Merouk Baas
615
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Posted - 2013.04.14 02:26:00 -
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Drones are fine, are used by a lot of ships as a secondary defense system, not just Gallente. And, 2.5 million points in a weapons system is just the beginning.
I would be willing to bet that if you started from scratch and made your dream character specialized in Amarr or Minmatar or whatever you think is the best, by the time you got to veteran status (2-3 years of training, flying the ships you wanted), you'd have 2.5 million points in drones anyway.
Your character is not ruined.
Flavor of the month will change again, many times, maybe even this summer.
Amarr and Gallente have specialized drone ships now.
All big ships need drones for defense.
Drone interface and drones in general are slated to be revamped soon. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
1713
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Posted - 2013.04.14 05:42:00 -
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I currently own:
* Two Rattlesnakes (Guristas BS drone boat).
* Two Gilas (Guristas cruiser drone boat).
* One Vexor Navy Issue (Gallente cruiser drone boat).
I plan to buy a third Rattlesnake (third alt has 17d left on Gallente Battleship 5, already has Caldari Battleship 5).
Why do I have so many drone boats?
I like doing missions with them. No ammo use. Great at all ranges. Can do all damage types.
My ships are all setup to rep drones. Works great. Using a NOS can also help with capacitor issues, and to increase threat. Multiple ships can spider-tank and cap transfer too. |
mkint
990
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Posted - 2013.04.14 15:43:00 -
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I've got 11 mil sp in drones. yes, drones were nerfed. yes it was insulting because drone mechanics have always sucked so hard. they've always been nothing more than a necessary evil, not something actually fun. but no, the nerf was nowhere near being game breaking. most of the time I don't even notice that anything changed.
Maxim 34: If you're leaving scorch-marks, you need a bigger gun. |
Cameron Zero
Red Federation
170
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Posted - 2013.04.14 16:46:00 -
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Aelarn Morslade wrote:Now as a returning character who is already lost from not remembering 90% of what's going on in this game, it's even more disheartening to hear that the 2.5 of 4 million SP's you have spent got nerfed to oblivion and that you "should be respeccing in something else."
What do I do? Did drones really get gutted that bad? Is the goal of a Dominix now moot and I should try working on something else?
Feeling overwhelmed and disappointed all at the same time. I almost want to just let this account go and start new from scratch.
Even if drones had gotten nerfed to the point of uselessness (they didn't), you'd still be better off keeping your current character and changing focus into whatever you'd start a new character doing. After all, sure, 2.5m of your SP are in drones, but the other 1.5m is still worth something.
That said, drones did NOT get nerfed into oblivion. The only people really upset about the change were the ones who weren't actually playing the game anyway. (Warping into a mission, aggroing everything, then launching drones and walking away from the computer for an hour isn't "playing the game".)
Drones are fine. They're still very, very useful. They just take more management, is all.
"I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. GǪ" |
Skeln Thargensen
Filthy Carebear Tax Avoidance Shell Corp
98
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Posted - 2013.04.14 17:34:00 -
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Baggo Hammers wrote:Dominix can run any L4 mission. Also look into Micro Jump Drives. Made for sentry ships.
this. faction sentries if you can't use T2s (i still can't 19 days to train...) and all the damage mods, drone control units and ominidirectional tracking you can fit on it. you can get optimal with the wardens well over 100km. swap to gardes when thigns get closer and you can mop most of the room up easily.
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Sebastyen
33 RD
1
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Posted - 2013.04.15 18:56:00 -
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I fly drone boats and I do very well at least against Angel Anomalies in NULL. I am by no means a pro but I can pull on average 15-20mil ticks in my dominix and 23+mil ticks in my rattlesnake using sentry drones. For me that seems to work very well so dont let the sky is falling cries affect your thinking. get out there and use them drones as they were meant to be used and not as a way to afk through missions which is how it used to be. |
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
Home Front Coalition
411
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Posted - 2013.04.15 23:28:00 -
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Sebastyen wrote:I fly drone boats and I do very well at least against Angel Anomalies in NULL. I am by no means a pro but I can pull on average 15-20mil ticks in my dominix and 23+mil ticks in my rattlesnake using sentry drones. For me that seems to work very well so dont let the sky is falling cries affect your thinking. get out there and use them drones as they were meant to be used and not as a way to afk through missions which is how it used to be.
I find truth in this statement, Angels rats tend to be light on the drones. I use lights (albeit not in dedicated boats) and they work fine. Do try to decisively decimate Elite frigates, they will tear into your drones eventually. Everything bigger then that just flat out fails to track them, or considers my howitzers to the the bigger problem. Under the previous AI I used to see Angel battleships focus-firing (and missing 100% of the time) the drones. That DPS is now properly applied to your ship! |
Makkal Hanaya
Hanaya Deferment Co
345
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Posted - 2013.04.16 08:47:00 -
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J'Poll wrote:Don't listen to all the whiners who now rage because they can't farm missions anymore while AFK. Those are the guys that fail to understand something that Darwin already found out ages ago and used it in his book ' On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life": Charles Darwin wrote:Survival of the fittest.
Herbert Spencer, an economist, coined that phrase after reading On the Origin of the Species... Darwin used the term 'natural selection,' which has a different meaning.
although my eyes were open
they might have just as well've been closed
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Kyra Quinn
We Are Really Scary
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Posted - 2013.04.16 11:17:00 -
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I'm not really familiar with how drones were before but it's only really an issue if you didn't figure out the logic behind drone aggression. I do exploration in a Gila and had massive issues with it in the beginning as my drones kept being attacked and me wasting a lot of time with getting aggro and all that. Now that I did figure out how it works and adapted my strategy and target choices it's not even an issue anymore. If I, being a newbie, can figure it out and make it work then anyone can.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
8688
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Posted - 2013.04.16 12:04:00 -
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Daniel Plain wrote:drones are fine, people just fail at adapting.
Requoting this for emphasis. The Damage Amps and new drone mods are a huge buff to drones.
The new NPC aggro rules are a big nerf to the "launch drones, go eat lunch" AFK mission style.
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Celeste Taylor
Ruby Dynasty
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Posted - 2013.04.16 12:49:00 -
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I started off with a Navy Dominix and rather low drone skills and found I had better luck running missions with a Navy Megathron. Recently however I dumped about 10m sp into drone branch skills and found that training in that field made the Dominix awesome at missions. I believe that it is much easier to getl the level 5s that make the biggest impact on a Dominix (at least for missions) much faster than all the level 5s to max out the efficiency of most battleships.
So for now my ship of choice is a Domi while I get my gunnery skills to 5 for the next few months (since I switched to Per/Will for destroyers/bc like so many others) then back to Int/Mem when my annual remap is up. |
Sabriz Adoudel
AWOXalypse
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Posted - 2013.04.19 00:27:00 -
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Drones remain strong if used intelligently. You just lose a few more of them to rats than you might be used to.
Also the Vexor is now an utter terror in PVP.
Signed: Someone else with Drone Interfacing 5, Heavy Drone Operation 5 and a fair number of other points in drones.
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Zaph Kiel
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.07.07 20:01:00 -
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I also have just returned to the game only to find that i can no longer do level 4 missions. I am furious. CCP has made drones INVIABLE in pve. I fail to see how an npc battleship can acquire lock on a drone in 3 seconds flat, and more importantly, how it can even hit them as they mwd and/or orbit. I want some kind of compensation for the damages caused to my account, the refunding of sp for example. |
Cameron Zero
Red Federation
195
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Posted - 2013.07.07 20:17:00 -
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Zaph Kiel wrote:I also have just returned to the game only to find that i can no longer do level 4 missions. I am furious. CCP has made drones INVIABLE in pve. I fail to see how an npc battleship can acquire lock on a drone in 3 seconds flat, and more importantly, how it can even hit them as they mwd and/or orbit. I want some kind of compensation for the damages caused to my account, the refunding of sp for example.
Go ahead and hold your breath.
"I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. GǪ" |
Max Godsnottlingson
Bitter Veterans
156
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Posted - 2013.07.07 20:59:00 -
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Cameron Zero wrote:Zaph Kiel wrote:I also have just returned to the game only to find that i can no longer do level 4 missions. I am furious. CCP has made drones INVIABLE in pve. I fail to see how an npc battleship can acquire lock on a drone in 3 seconds flat, and more importantly, how it can even hit them as they mwd and/or orbit. I want some kind of compensation for the damages caused to my account, the refunding of sp for example. Go ahead and hold your breath.
You were much more polite then I was going to be Cameron. My suggestion was alont the lines of having sex while travelling.
For any ship from cruiser sized up drones are invaluble for PvE because NPC frigs are a bind to chew on now. A loadout of Hobgoblin II will see off any 'fast movers' and will then add some decent damage to your shipboard weapon systems when all that is left is the bigger stuff.
As already said, you have to manage them more, and be ready to pull them back once they start to take 'incoming'. But on the whole, while they might not be the main weapon of choice, they are a damned site more then just a secondary weapon. |
Tsukino Stareine
The Red Circle Inc.
460
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Posted - 2013.07.08 01:32:00 -
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Zaph Kiel wrote:I also have just returned to the game only to find that i can no longer do level 4 missions. I am furious. CCP has made drones INVIABLE in pve. I fail to see how an npc battleship can acquire lock on a drone in 3 seconds flat, and more importantly, how it can even hit them as they mwd and/or orbit. I want some kind of compensation for the damages caused to my account, the refunding of sp for example.
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Cannibal Kane
Temple of Kane
1998
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Posted - 2013.07.08 07:53:00 -
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Like other have said.
There was no Drone specific changes aside from the Damage mod upgrades for more damage. Just rats got on AI upgrade.
All it means now is that people actually have to pay attention to their missions. That is why people complain... they can't go afk when they do missions in their drone boats.
"I saw him fight by the monument in Jita. -áHe flowed in his Machariel like a Shinto spirit, 800MM shells sprouting in his passing. -áHis hair flowed in the corona of his target's warp core breach. -áIt was truly majestic. -áAnd while everyone stared in awe I stole the loot and ran off.-áBecause I am like that." --áNEONOVUS |
Roime
Ten Thousand Years
Shinjiketo
3092
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Posted - 2013.07.08 08:54:00 -
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Drones haven't been nerfed at all, they've only been buffed in the form of new and improved modules.
NPCs targeting drones is a complete non-issue and only totally incompetent people complain about it.
-á- All I really wanted was to build a castle among the stars - |
J'Poll
Phoibe Enterprises
2347
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Posted - 2013.07.08 08:57:00 -
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Zaph Kiel wrote:I also have just returned to the game only to find that i can no longer do level 4 missions. I am furious. CCP has made drones INVIABLE in pve. I fail to see how an npc battleship can acquire lock on a drone in 3 seconds flat, and more importantly, how it can even hit them as they mwd and/or orbit. I want some kind of compensation for the damages caused to my account, the refunding of sp for example.
Mr Necro, are you mad?
Drones haven't been nerfed.
CCP just fixed the AI so people can't run / farm missions AFK.
This is Darwinism at it's best...adapt or rage.
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Freighdee Katt
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
245
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Posted - 2013.07.08 13:31:00 -
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They are nerfed in that NPCs now target switch to them regularly, which means if mobile drones are a non-trivial distance from you, then they will die before they can return to the bay. Even T2 and light drones will die because NPCs can wrecking-shot them from any distance with their magical infinite tracking and optimal range. Also, since you now have to recall drones often to keep them from dying, their effective DPS is substantially nerfed, even if you're using sentries. It's basically the same as it would be if you had to retract your turrets and launchers every thirty seconds to avoid having them shot off.
You can "adapt" by using sentries only and filling your highs with small reps to keep them alive. Or you can "adapt" by moving on to another primary weapon system until they decide to unfuck drones. |
Q 5
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
102
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Posted - 2013.07.09 06:21:00 -
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Daniel Plain wrote:drones are fine, people just fail at adapting.
This, most of my core skills are missile I am flying a drone boat but doing lvl 4's np, but drone management is a must.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Balius and Xanthus Traditional Gunsmiths
9880
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Posted - 2013.07.09 06:47:00 -
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Freighdee Katt wrote:They are nerfed in that NPCs now target switch to them regularly, which means if mobile drones are a non-trivial distance from you, then they will die before they can return to the bay. Even T2 and light drones will die because NPCs can wrecking-shot them from any distance with their magical infinite tracking and optimal range. Also, since you now have to recall drones often to keep them from dying, their effective DPS is substantially nerfed, even if you're using sentries. It's basically the same as it would be if you had to retract your turrets and launchers every thirty seconds to avoid having them shot off.
You can "adapt" by using sentries only and filling your highs with small reps to keep them alive. Or you can "adapt" by moving on to another primary weapon system until they decide to unfuck drones.
So you're moaning that CCP made the NPCs slightly more intelligent than yourself a rock?
There's plenty of information on how to counter the upgraded NPC AI, including info on what class of ships will attack your drones eg: Light drones get attacked by frigates, Medium drones get attacked by cruisers, destroyers and frigates and Heavy/Sentry drones get attacked by every type of NPC. If you're wanting to just launch your drones and walk away then tough cookies.
It's not hard to work around the changes, the new AI is a watered down version of one that's been actively used for 4 years in wormholes, and the people who live there manage fine.
"Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit, wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad." |
Cosmar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.07.09 09:35:00 -
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I recently came back to the game as well.
Trying to do missions with heavies or even medium is annoying as hell.
But smalls are still good for fast ships and are generally fast enough that they don't take damage in high level missions. And if you want to mission with a drone boat Sentries are still decent and you can recall them as they get targeted. But overall i recommand maybe focusing on a railboat for missions this time around because the mechanic of staring at the drone shields for 30 minutes ready to recall with no clue as to what may cause aggro from across the map is just no fun. |
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