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Sishen Gzi
Hellion Support Services
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Posted - 2013.04.15 05:46:00 -
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it's what thorax means is icelandic |
Ai Shun
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Posted - 2013.04.15 05:47:00 -
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fir3bl4st wrote:The EULA is a joke. It basically says they can do WHATEVER they want. The player can choose to accept CCP's omnipotence in the game ... or not play. That is a joke! Imagine another organisation doing that... we are buying goods and services, not the other way around!!
Isn't it awesome? You, as the consumer, can choose which products and services you use. There is no obligation for you to buy a service when you disagree with how it is presented, the terms of that service or any other aspect of it.
See, no matter how nice an Apple products' user interface is I will not purchase one. One, because they are one of the most unethical companies I've ever encountered - particularly with their lack of strictures on the near on slave labour used to produce their devices and I believe they are over-hyped, over-marketed, brand driven products that are over-priced for the functionality they deliver. Basically - cool if you're a champagne socialist that wants to look like you know anything about technology; but for more advanced people with a bit more of social conscience, not so cool.
And you know, that's my opinion. It means I choose not to purchase Apple products. You may purchase them. You may love them.
That's one of the things that makes this world so cool. We don't have to buy things we don't like or disagree with. And we can all do whatever we like in that regard!
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Darvaleth Sigma
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Posted - 2013.04.15 06:35:00 -
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Bad thread. OP plays game made by CCP but wants somebody other than CCP to control it because he broke some rules...
Bounty time!
Give a man a match and you warm him for a day.
Set a man on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life! |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2013.04.15 06:56:00 -
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fir3bl4st wrote:Does CCP have a regulatory body that they have to answer to?
The EULA is a joke. It basically says they can do WHATEVER they want. The player can choose to accept CCP's omnipotence in the game ... or not play. That is a joke! Imagine another organisation doing that... we are buying goods and services, not the other way around!!
There are no set guidelines about discipline, warnings, gagging in-game.... this all just seems to happen at opportunity rather that en-mass. There is no set guidelines, they don't use precedent, or have statues... discussing CCP decisions is itself punishable by death. (in-game)
So much of the EULA is redundant, and yet the parts that are important are 1 liners! If they really wanted to cut swearing from the game they could introduce some BASIC software that would filter arrangements of letter etc... (or introduce one of MANY other player made suggestions)
Can the players unionize? CSM is a joke to try and simulate player power... at the end of the day they have little real power, i haven't seen a real change from CSM since it began! CSM and CCP's response to most things is STFU or HTFU.
To make sure that this doesn't constitute a "rant" (again another ambiguous description by CCP) I am asking a question.
Does CCP have a regulatory body? An independent organisation that players can contact? As a trading organisation/company?
When you enter my house, you do so on my terms & conditions, and I can kick you out whenever I feel like it, even if you think you haven't done anything wrong.
When you connect to CCP's server... OK you see where this is going?
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2013.04.15 06:57:00 -
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Dread SinJin wrote:the isd's on the forums are a joke, ccp are clowns, the csm is worse of them all.
there is a interal affairs division but again thats run by ccp so go figure
And you're the one who keeps on paying for it all. What does that make you?
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Ryuu Shi
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.04.15 07:02:00 -
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No it can not be! This thread... The ENTITLEMENT......! I-It's over 9000!
Ganking miners has gone too far. Ganking is wrong, and bad. There should be a new, stronger word for Ganking like badwrong or badong. Yes, Ganking is badong. From this moment, I will stand for the opposite of Ganking, gnodab.
- Said no-one, ever. |
fir3bl4st
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.04.15 07:08:00 -
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Ryuu Shi wrote:No it can not be! This thread... The ENTITLEMENT......! I-It's over 9000!
... Of course there are entitlement issues here. I am a paying customer.
wow, every thread trolled to pieces.
yes, i know they could delete the servers if they wanted to, they could do whatever they want..... that is my point!
no, this is nothing like coming to your house. CCP advertise all over the web to come to their server... as well, that example was terrible.
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Roime
Shiva Furnace
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Posted - 2013.04.15 07:52:00 -
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Imagine a world where NPC corp trolltards weren't allowed to **** these forums with their idiocy.
-á- All I really wanted was to build a castle among the stars - |
StoneCold
Somali Coast Guard Authority
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Posted - 2013.04.15 07:56:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:fir3bl4st wrote:Does CCP have a regulatory body that they have to answer to?
-saving room-
When you enter my house, you do so on my terms & conditions, and I can kick you out whenever I feel like it, even if you think you haven't done anything wrong. When you connect to CCP's server... OK you see where this is going?
Lawyers call this "phenomenon" House right (at least in my tongue - might be bad translated).
And it-¦s indeed part of EVERY online agreement where a server to login is part of the service.
For Hire
Psychotic Monk for CSM |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe
YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
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Posted - 2013.04.15 08:08:00 -
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fir3bl4st wrote:Ryuu Shi wrote:No it can not be! This thread... The ENTITLEMENT......! I-It's over 9000! ... Of course there are entitlement issues here. I am a paying customer. wow, every thread trolled to pieces. yes, i know they could delete the servers if they wanted to, they could do whatever they want..... that is my point! no, this is nothing like coming to your house. CCP advertise all over the web to come to their server... as well, that example was terrible.
And, as a paying customer, you're entitled to avail yourself of your exclusive recourse to no longer be a paying customer of CCPs.
The customer/service provider relationship is purely voluntary, and either party can end it whenever they want and for any legal reason they want.
This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |
Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
870
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Posted - 2013.04.15 09:15:00 -
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EULAs are wishlists.
As there is no significant punishment for having unenforceable/illegal clauses in your EULA a game company's lawyer has no reason to leave out any potentially liability reducing clause he can dream of.
If a clause gets thrown out in court then the worst thing that can happen to the company is that provisions which resemble common practice/expectations in contracts of this kind are assumed instead.
How much of the EULA really applies, starting with the "You hereby expressly waive and agree not to raise any and all objections based on personal jurisdiction, venue and/or inconvenience of such forum and agree to the jurisdiction of the District Court of Reykjav+¡k, Iceland." clause (which, for example, I know for sure to be invalid in Germany; here a venue clause can only be agreed to between merchants, a consumer cannot enter into any such agreement), is something you have to find out in court.
Assuming that every clause in an EULA is legally binding is incredibly naive. The oversight provided through your local consumer protection laws is very likely to apply despite CCP's best efforts to convince you otherwise.
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Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
870
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Posted - 2013.04.15 09:20:00 -
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That being said - you can't force CCP to do business with you.
You might be able to get them to give you a refund for remaining gametime and you might be able to force them to provide you with prior notice before blocking your accounts - but you can't in the end prevent them from exiting their business relation with you.
TEST alt - don't trust. |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe
YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
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Posted - 2013.04.15 09:43:00 -
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Vera Algaert wrote:They are generally eager to reach out of court settlements (which will probably include you agreeing to a lifelong ban on all your accounts but, hey, you can't have everything at once!).
Which is entertainingly counterproductive, since most of the time when people cry "I'll sue" it's because they've been banned or otherwise restricted from playing.
This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |
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CCP Falcon
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Posted - 2013.04.15 10:00:00 -
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Please don't rant on the forums, it's against the forum rules.
If you have issues with our game rules or need clarification of our policies, please file a petition under the correct category.
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