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fir3bl4st
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.04.14 21:36:00 -
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Does CCP have a regulatory body that they have to answer to?
The EULA is a joke. It basically says they can do WHATEVER they want. The player can choose to accept CCP's omnipotence in the game ... or not play. That is a joke! Imagine another organisation doing that... we are buying goods and services, not the other way around!!
There are no set guidelines about discipline, warnings, gagging in-game.... this all just seems to happen at opportunity rather that en-mass. There is no set guidelines, they don't use precedent, or have statues... discussing CCP decisions is itself punishable by death. (in-game)
So much of the EULA is redundant, and yet the parts that are important are 1 liners! If they really wanted to cut swearing from the game they could introduce some BASIC software that would filter arrangements of letter etc... (or introduce one of MANY other player made suggestions)
Can the players unionize? CSM is a joke to try and simulate player power... at the end of the day they have little real power, i haven't seen a real change from CSM since it began! CSM and CCP's response to most things is STFU or HTFU.
To make sure that this doesn't constitute a "rant" (again another ambiguous description by CCP) I am asking a question.
Does CCP have a regulatory body? An independent organisation that players can contact? As a trading organisation/company? |

Dave Stark
2569
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Posted - 2013.04.14 21:37:00 -
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so you got caught botting, right? |

fir3bl4st
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.04.14 21:38:00 -
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lol, no. dispite what it looks like this post has been years coming. i just remembered to voice myself. |

Felicity Love
STARKRAFT Joint Venture Conglomerate
446
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Posted - 2013.04.14 21:39:00 -
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Players unionize ?
Dude... the 60's are over... flashbacks not withstanding. 
Proud Beta Tester for "Bumping Uglies for Dummies" |

Tyrendian Biohazard
Terra Rosa Academy
13
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Posted - 2013.04.14 21:45:00 -
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Must be your first time reading ANY EULA... |

Setaceous
Nexus Prima
24
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Posted - 2013.04.14 21:45:00 -
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The EULA is pretty much industry standard. You could just stop playing games. Go read a book. |

Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
1288
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Posted - 2013.04.14 21:46:00 -
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The regulatory body would be law and government. They supersede the EULA should a dispute occur. Mining Overhaul Nothing changed since 2008. |

Daimon Kaiera
181
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Posted - 2013.04.14 21:47:00 -
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It's CCP's game; they can do whatever the hell they want.
If they want to change all the spaceships to giant penises, then god-dammit they can do so.
Please do this. Here by talk start if go able? |

Dorian Mirror
Glovis Corporation
15
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Posted - 2013.04.14 21:48:00 -
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fir3bl4st wrote:The EULA is a joke. It basically says they can do WHATEVER they want. The player can choose to accept CCP's omnipotence in the game ... or not play.
Isn't this the case with just about any license agreement though? It's like you said: If you don't want to accept these terms, don't! I doubt there's a CCP employee behind you holding a gun to your head, forcing you to accept the EULA...
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fir3bl4st
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.04.14 21:59:00 -
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Dorian Mirror wrote:fir3bl4st wrote:The EULA is a joke. It basically says they can do WHATEVER they want. The player can choose to accept CCP's omnipotence in the game ... or not play. Isn't this the case with just about any license agreement though? It's like you said: If you don't want to accept these terms, don't! I doubt there's a CCP employee behind you holding a gun to your head, forcing you to accept the EULA...
Of course not.
And no it's not the first time i've read a EULA.
Just seems insanely draconian. They have a massive customer base and with the 300k account level they surely need to make these aspects of the game a bit more concrete! |

Akuyaku
Brave Newbies Inc.
22
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Posted - 2013.04.14 21:59:00 -
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CCP owns the servers (and all rights to the game) legally they could delete everything durring downtime tonight and force everyone to start over from the beginning tomorow. |

baltec1
Bat Country
5961
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Posted - 2013.04.14 22:01:00 -
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You should look at some of the things apple and google slip into theirs. |

Tyrendian Biohazard
Terra Rosa Academy
15
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Posted - 2013.04.14 22:06:00 -
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fir3bl4st wrote:Dorian Mirror wrote:fir3bl4st wrote:The EULA is a joke. It basically says they can do WHATEVER they want. The player can choose to accept CCP's omnipotence in the game ... or not play. Isn't this the case with just about any license agreement though? It's like you said: If you don't want to accept these terms, don't! I doubt there's a CCP employee behind you holding a gun to your head, forcing you to accept the EULA... Of course not. And no it's not the first time i've read a EULA. Just seems insanely draconian. They have a massive customer base and with the 300k account level they surely need to make these aspects of the game a bit more concrete!
I think everyone with half a mind knows the point is to NOT make it concrete so they can adjust it to fit how they need it.
Bad troll is bad |

Setaceous
Nexus Prima
24
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Posted - 2013.04.14 22:09:00 -
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Re-reading the OP, it seems you are a bit confused between the difference between the EULA and the ToS.
The EULA tells you what you can (and cannot) do with your purchased account/game licence.
The ToS tells you what you can(and cannot) do once you have logged onto the game with the aforementioned account/game licence.
Things like account sharing and unauthorised out of game transactions are covered by the EULA.
Things like swearing and inappropriate conduct are covered by the ToS.
Now, which of the two do you actually have an issue with? |

ACE McFACE
Radical Astronauts Plundering Eve Hopeless Addiction
1171
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Posted - 2013.04.14 23:15:00 -
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It's their game, and they aren't going to suddenly make some rule that'll drive players away, usually not good business practice. DUST514 isn't on PC because CCP wants 2 different communities influencing each other, not people tabbing out to give themselves Orbital Strikes. (Also they don't want to cannibalise their existing playerbase) |

ACE McFACE
Radical Astronauts Plundering Eve Hopeless Addiction
1171
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Posted - 2013.04.14 23:17:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:You should look at some of the things apple and google slip into theirs. I can't be bothered reading or searching for it, can you give me an example? DUST514 isn't on PC because CCP wants 2 different communities influencing each other, not people tabbing out to give themselves Orbital Strikes. (Also they don't want to cannibalise their existing playerbase) |

Fairren
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
36
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Posted - 2013.04.14 23:18:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:You should look at some of the things apple and google slip into theirs. Like the CentiPod clause |

No More Heroes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2322
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Posted - 2013.04.14 23:21:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:so you got caught botting, right?
Entitlement overload ITT
Hey OP, if you are unhappy with your internet spaceship experience log off and go outside
. |

Baggo Hammers
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
9
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Posted - 2013.04.14 23:23:00 -
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EULA boilerplate. Botter. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
13588
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Posted - 2013.04.14 23:33:00 -
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fir3bl4st wrote:The EULA is a joke. It basically says they can do WHATEVER they want. The player can choose to accept CCP's omnipotence in the game ... or not play. That is a joke! Imagine another organisation doing that... we are buying goods and services, not the other way around!! Imagine? Why would you have to. All other organisations providing similar goods and services do the same, and you are free not to use them should you disagree with the basic contract you enter into.
No, playing a game is not a right or an essential service GÇö you play on the provider's terms, and no-one is forcing you to do anything you don't want. Vote Malcanis for CSM8. |

Praetor Meles
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
47
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Posted - 2013.04.14 23:36:00 -
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Daimon Kaiera wrote:Please do this.
This. So much this.
Also, in before lock. [insert random rubbish that irritates you personally] is further evidence that Eve is dying/thriving*
* delete as required to make your point |

Xearal
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
556
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Posted - 2013.04.15 00:04:00 -
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Bad troll fails.. -1/10
Both the Eula and ToS are quite fine. Maybe you've been living under a rock ( or in your mom's basement ) for too long. But what is written in the Eula is pretty standard stuff for using their services. Many, Many other companies try to force you into far more ridiculous terms. Look at WoW, Diablo 3, Apple, Facebook, Record companies, take your pick.
The law supersedes any contract you enter with any party, but within those limits, they're allowed to do whatever they want. You don't HAVE to play eve if you don't want to, and if you would go read the Eula's on say, facebook, I think you will **** your pants and come back running to Eve and it's friendly Eula/ToS.
Or commit suicide, which I think would imrpove the world in all.
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Dread SinJin
Dark Energy.
3
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Posted - 2013.04.15 00:20:00 -
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the isd's on the forums are a joke, ccp are clowns, the csm is worse of them all. there is a interal affairs division but again thats run by ccp so go figure |

Setaceous
Nexus Prima
26
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Posted - 2013.04.15 00:30:00 -
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Dread SinJin wrote:the isd's on the forums are a joke, ccp are clowns, the csm is worse of them all. there is a interal affairs division but again thats run by ccp so go figure
Translation: These mean people do and say things I don't like therefore they are bad.
What's amusing is the people that claim this sort of thing in every game and still continue to play....... |

RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
3203
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Posted - 2013.04.15 02:25:00 -
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Setaceous wrote:Dread SinJin wrote:the isd's on the forums are a joke, ccp are clowns, the csm is worse of them all. there is a interal affairs division but again thats run by ccp so go figure Translation: These mean people do and say things I don't like therefore they are bad. What's amusing is the people that claim this sort of thing in every game and still continue to play.......
Whine is addictive. This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |

Sishen Gzi
Hellion Support Services
8
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Posted - 2013.04.15 02:43:00 -
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When I make my own game it will be the best internet spaceship game I've ever played |

Reuben Johnson
Gal-Min Industries
61
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Posted - 2013.04.15 03:02:00 -
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fir3bl4st wrote:Does CCP have a regulatory body that they have to answer to?
The EULA is a joke. It basically says they can do WHATEVER they want. The player can choose to accept CCP's omnipotence in the game ... or not play. That is a joke! Imagine another organisation doing that... we are buying goods and services, not the other way around!!
There are no set guidelines about discipline, warnings, gagging in-game.... this all just seems to happen at opportunity rather that en-mass. There is no set guidelines, they don't use precedent, or have statues... discussing CCP decisions is itself punishable by death. (in-game)
So much of the EULA is redundant, and yet the parts that are important are 1 liners! If they really wanted to cut swearing from the game they could introduce some BASIC software that would filter arrangements of letter etc... (or introduce one of MANY other player made suggestions)
Can the players unionize? CSM is a joke to try and simulate player power... at the end of the day they have little real power, i haven't seen a real change from CSM since it began! CSM and CCP's response to most things is STFU or HTFU.
To make sure that this doesn't constitute a "rant" (again another ambiguous description by CCP) I am asking a question.
Does CCP have a regulatory body? An independent organisation that players can contact? As a trading organisation/company? What, so now you have some god-given right to play Eve? EULA's in any game is to protect the company from lawsuit's while it does what it needs to do to protect itelf from, strangely enough, lawsuits...or from, yes, governmentel regulatory bodies, it's not a Constitution to protect you from them. It's meant to protect them from you. You fell CCP has soehow violted youre "rights", then get a good Icelandic lawyer and take them to court.
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Setaceous
Nexus Prima
28
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Posted - 2013.04.15 04:22:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote: Whine is addictive.
Indeed. It's also directly proportional to the amount of actual drama and stress in a persons life. We tend to make giant issues out of minor things when we have no real problems to deal with. |

Drunken Bum
105
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Posted - 2013.04.15 04:27:00 -
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Daimon Kaiera wrote:It's CCP's game; they can do whatever the hell they want.
If they want to change all the spaceships to giant penises, then god-dammit they can do so.
Please do this. They tried already, but got bored after turning half of amarr and gallentes ships into wangs. Spare some change?-á |

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
3949
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Posted - 2013.04.15 05:38:00 -
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This thread is now officially about peniships. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |

Sishen Gzi
Hellion Support Services
8
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Posted - 2013.04.15 05:46:00 -
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it's what thorax means is icelandic |

Ai Shun
931
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Posted - 2013.04.15 05:47:00 -
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fir3bl4st wrote:The EULA is a joke. It basically says they can do WHATEVER they want. The player can choose to accept CCP's omnipotence in the game ... or not play. That is a joke! Imagine another organisation doing that... we are buying goods and services, not the other way around!!
Isn't it awesome? You, as the consumer, can choose which products and services you use. There is no obligation for you to buy a service when you disagree with how it is presented, the terms of that service or any other aspect of it.
See, no matter how nice an Apple products' user interface is I will not purchase one. One, because they are one of the most unethical companies I've ever encountered - particularly with their lack of strictures on the near on slave labour used to produce their devices and I believe they are over-hyped, over-marketed, brand driven products that are over-priced for the functionality they deliver. Basically - cool if you're a champagne socialist that wants to look like you know anything about technology; but for more advanced people with a bit more of social conscience, not so cool.
And you know, that's my opinion. It means I choose not to purchase Apple products. You may purchase them. You may love them.
That's one of the things that makes this world so cool. We don't have to buy things we don't like or disagree with. And we can all do whatever we like in that regard!
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Darvaleth Sigma
215
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Posted - 2013.04.15 06:35:00 -
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Bad thread. OP plays game made by CCP but wants somebody other than CCP to control it because he broke some rules...
Bounty time! Give a man a match and you warm him for a day.
Set a man on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life! |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
8674
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Posted - 2013.04.15 06:56:00 -
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fir3bl4st wrote:Does CCP have a regulatory body that they have to answer to?
The EULA is a joke. It basically says they can do WHATEVER they want. The player can choose to accept CCP's omnipotence in the game ... or not play. That is a joke! Imagine another organisation doing that... we are buying goods and services, not the other way around!!
There are no set guidelines about discipline, warnings, gagging in-game.... this all just seems to happen at opportunity rather that en-mass. There is no set guidelines, they don't use precedent, or have statues... discussing CCP decisions is itself punishable by death. (in-game)
So much of the EULA is redundant, and yet the parts that are important are 1 liners! If they really wanted to cut swearing from the game they could introduce some BASIC software that would filter arrangements of letter etc... (or introduce one of MANY other player made suggestions)
Can the players unionize? CSM is a joke to try and simulate player power... at the end of the day they have little real power, i haven't seen a real change from CSM since it began! CSM and CCP's response to most things is STFU or HTFU.
To make sure that this doesn't constitute a "rant" (again another ambiguous description by CCP) I am asking a question.
Does CCP have a regulatory body? An independent organisation that players can contact? As a trading organisation/company?
When you enter my house, you do so on my terms & conditions, and I can kick you out whenever I feel like it, even if you think you haven't done anything wrong.
When you connect to CCP's server... OK you see where this is going? Please vote for me for CSM8-áhere
My recommended voting list |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
8674
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Posted - 2013.04.15 06:57:00 -
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Dread SinJin wrote:the isd's on the forums are a joke, ccp are clowns, the csm is worse of them all. there is a interal affairs division but again thats run by ccp so go figure
And you're the one who keeps on paying for it all. What does that make you? Please vote for me for CSM8-áhere
My recommended voting list |

Ryuu Shi
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
31
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Posted - 2013.04.15 07:02:00 -
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No it can not be! This thread... The ENTITLEMENT......! I-It's over 9000! Ganking miners has gone too far. Ganking is wrong, and bad. There should be a new, stronger word for Ganking like badwrong or badong. Yes, Ganking is badong. From this moment, I will stand for the opposite of Ganking, gnodab. - Said no-one, ever. |

fir3bl4st
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2013.04.15 07:08:00 -
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Ryuu Shi wrote:No it can not be! This thread... The ENTITLEMENT......! I-It's over 9000! 
... Of course there are entitlement issues here. I am a paying customer.
wow, every thread trolled to pieces.
yes, i know they could delete the servers if they wanted to, they could do whatever they want..... that is my point!
no, this is nothing like coming to your house. CCP advertise all over the web to come to their server... as well, that example was terrible.
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Roime
Shiva Furnace
2524
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Posted - 2013.04.15 07:52:00 -
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Imagine a world where NPC corp trolltards weren't allowed to **** these forums with their idiocy.
-á- All I really wanted was to build a castle among the stars - |

StoneCold
Somali Coast Guard Authority
115
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Posted - 2013.04.15 07:56:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:fir3bl4st wrote:Does CCP have a regulatory body that they have to answer to?
-saving room-
When you enter my house, you do so on my terms & conditions, and I can kick you out whenever I feel like it, even if you think you haven't done anything wrong. When you connect to CCP's server... OK you see where this is going?
Lawyers call this "phenomenon" House right (at least in my tongue - might be bad translated). And it-¦s indeed part of EVERY online agreement where a server to login is part of the service. For Hire Psychotic Monk for CSM |

RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
3205
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Posted - 2013.04.15 08:08:00 -
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fir3bl4st wrote:Ryuu Shi wrote:No it can not be! This thread... The ENTITLEMENT......! I-It's over 9000!  ... Of course there are entitlement issues here. I am a paying customer. wow, every thread trolled to pieces. yes, i know they could delete the servers if they wanted to, they could do whatever they want..... that is my point! no, this is nothing like coming to your house. CCP advertise all over the web to come to their server... as well, that example was terrible.
And, as a paying customer, you're entitled to avail yourself of your exclusive recourse to no longer be a paying customer of CCPs.
The customer/service provider relationship is purely voluntary, and either party can end it whenever they want and for any legal reason they want. This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |

Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
870
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Posted - 2013.04.15 09:15:00 -
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EULAs are wishlists.
As there is no significant punishment for having unenforceable/illegal clauses in your EULA a game company's lawyer has no reason to leave out any potentially liability reducing clause he can dream of.
If a clause gets thrown out in court then the worst thing that can happen to the company is that provisions which resemble common practice/expectations in contracts of this kind are assumed instead.
How much of the EULA really applies, starting with the "You hereby expressly waive and agree not to raise any and all objections based on personal jurisdiction, venue and/or inconvenience of such forum and agree to the jurisdiction of the District Court of Reykjav+¡k, Iceland." clause (which, for example, I know for sure to be invalid in Germany; here a venue clause can only be agreed to between merchants, a consumer cannot enter into any such agreement), is something you have to find out in court.
Assuming that every clause in an EULA is legally binding is incredibly naive. The oversight provided through your local consumer protection laws is very likely to apply despite CCP's best efforts to convince you otherwise. TEST alt - don't trust. |

Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
870
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Posted - 2013.04.15 09:20:00 -
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That being said - you can't force CCP to do business with you.
You might be able to get them to give you a refund for remaining gametime and you might be able to force them to provide you with prior notice before blocking your accounts - but you can't in the end prevent them from exiting their business relation with you. TEST alt - don't trust. |

RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
3205
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Posted - 2013.04.15 09:43:00 -
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Vera Algaert wrote:They are generally eager to reach out of court settlements (which will probably include you agreeing to a lifelong ban on all your accounts but, hey, you can't have everything at once!).
Which is entertainingly counterproductive, since most of the time when people cry "I'll sue" it's because they've been banned or otherwise restricted from playing. This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |
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CCP Falcon
2638

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Posted - 2013.04.15 10:00:00 -
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Please don't rant on the forums, it's against the forum rules.
If you have issues with our game rules or need clarification of our policies, please file a petition under the correct category.
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