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Ashley Thunderstorm University of Caille Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2013.04.15 01:38:00 - [1] - Quote I was doing a L3 yesterday. Someone came in and started stealing my stuff and i shot him. A T2 logi warped in, not that he really needed help to kill me, i'm what? 11 days now? So he kills me, ask for ransom, i refuse, pods me... I block him and then he bounties me for 123,456 isk. The part where i die is my fault for shooting at him in the first place. But this bounty... People keep telling me it's no big deal and not to worry about it but it's completely killing my immersion here. I consider people with a bounty like perpetrators, not victims. It only makes sense. So my question is this, it used to be you could only bounty criminals or low sec status players. Why would anyone need to bounty a high sec status player? Also is there such a thing as bounty greifing?
mkint 990	Posted - 2013.04.15 01:47:00 - [2] - Quote No, CCP is happy with bounties being pointless. Working as intended. It does not make you any more likely to die, and that's why it's safe to ignore. It's mostly annoying that CCP seems to think their bounty "feature" is a practical failure. Maxim 34: If you're leaving scorch-marks, you need a bigger gun.
Forest Archer Explorer Corps Polarized. 37	Posted - 2013.04.15 01:50:00 - [3] - Quote While it may hurt you immersion there really is no negative to having a bounty other then seeing the word bounty in the character info. Yes bounties used to be only on negative sec status players. One reason for the change is there used to be players who harassed others but because of their sec status players could not place bounties on them. The other is that there a quite a few station alts who have bounties on them so in a way it can be considered an Isk sink. But more first reason Always willing to help all you have to do is ask, though if your in the other fleet I may not help the way you want. Just a heads up.
Doctor Ape MD Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 25	Posted - 2013.04.15 01:54:00 - [4] - Quote Ashley Thunderstorm wrote: I was doing a L3 yesterday. Someone came in and started stealing my stuff and i shot him. A T2 logi warped in, not that he really needed help to kill me, i'm what? 11 days now? So he kills me, ask for ransom, i refuse, pods me... I block him and then he bounties me for 123,456 isk. The part where i die is my fault for shooting at him in the first place. But this bounty... People keep telling me it's no big deal and not to worry about it but it's completely killing my immersion here. I consider people with a bounty like perpetrators, not victims. It only makes sense. So my question is this, it used to be you could only bounty criminals or low sec status players. Why would anyone need to bounty a high sec status player? Also is there such a thing as bounty greifing? The bounty really is no big deal. You are pretty much guaranted to get one sooner or later, so the sooner you get over it the better off you will feel. I have seen people in trade hubs just randomly handing out bounties to people who have none for no reason at all. As for why somebody would do it for high sec people, there are a few reasons. Most likely he was just trying to annoy you and gave you a parting 'welcome to eve' present after being blocked. And no, there is no such thing as bounty griefing that I have ever heard of. There are multiple characters with 10s of billions of bounties on them.
Tau Cabalander Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs 1718	Posted - 2013.04.15 02:02:00 - [5] - Quote I have a bounty. Most of my alt characters have bounties too, typically 100,000 ISK, even the characters that never undock. I find it annoying to have the "WANTED" banner on my portrait, but that's all there is to it. shrug
Ashley Thunderstorm University of Caille Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2013.04.15 02:03:00 - [6] - Quote From what i understand this "practical failure" serves no constructive purpose does it? I'm a carebear. I hate pvp in all it's form and i thought it only got as bad as getting ganked in high sector for carrying valuables. But this... From what i understand bounties are something you can't avoid. But i just don't like them anyway.
Archibald Thistlewaite III 92	Posted - 2013.04.15 06:29:00 - [7] - Quote Ashley Thunderstorm wrote: I was doing a L3 yesterday. Someone came in and started stealing my stuff and i shot him. A T2 logi warped in, not that he really needed help to kill me, i'm what? 11 days now? So he kills me, ask for ransom, i refuse, pods me... I block him and then he bounties me for 123,456 isk. The part where i die is my fault for shooting at him in the first place. But this bounty... People keep telling me it's no big deal and not to worry about it but it's completely killing my immersion here. I consider people with a bounty like perpetrators, not victims. It only makes sense. So my question is this, it used to be you could only bounty criminals or low sec status players. Why would anyone need to bounty a high sec status player? Also is there such a thing as bounty greifing? You shot him, you are the perpetrator...
Ygnizem Cenia Randomly Generated Corp 1	Posted - 2013.04.15 07:48:00 - [8] - Quote Ashley Thunderstorm wrote: From what i understand this "practical failure" serves no constructive purpose does it? As is the case with a lot of EVE mechanics. I don't know if CCP didn't realize how pointless the new bounty system will be, or if they did and wanted another ISK sink in the game(as 90% of bounties will never get claimed).
Melissa Turner Sacrificium X 0	Posted - 2013.04.15 08:12:00 - [9] - Quote CCP is too afraid to lay down the law on mission running griefers and their bottomless pit called the bounty system. if Bobba Fett where here even he himself would say.."umm ok now ccp you must place some rules on this again" Bounty placed for asking a question in HELP CHAT Bounty placed for grief'ing mission runners Bounty placed for posting in forums Bounty placed for simply saying "hello" in local Bounty placed on someone just cause they're new Bounty this bounty that..
Steven Koskanaiken Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 49	Posted - 2013.04.15 08:32:00 - [10] - Quote Ashley Thunderstorm wrote: From what i understand this "practical failure" serves no constructive purpose does it? I'm a carebear. I hate pvp in all it's form and i thought it only got as bad as getting ganked in high sector for carrying valuables. But this... From what i understand bounties are something you can't avoid. But i just don't like them anyway. Pfff. If you hate all forms of PvP, good luck in EVE as in its bare form its a PvP game. Also a bounty means nothing unless it grows really big and you fly really really pimped out blingy ships.
Melissa Turner Sacrificium X 0	Posted - 2013.04.15 08:51:00 - [11] - Quote Player A says : i dont like to pvp , dont care for pvp at all.. i prefer PVE and want to learn the game.. then perhaps dabble abit in pvp Player eve responds : "its ganker time i feel a woody coming no viagra needed" Player EVE says:.. best get used to pvp, eve-o was born a bastard kid from a pvp stripper!!! Player A says :.. but i really like running missions and learning the game cause I enjoy PVE Player eve says :. you need to prep for pvp cause this game is pvp Player A says :.. if that were so what are these missions im running doing in the game in the 1st place?? since that is NOT PVP! player eve says :....DOH!!! you ask too many questions .. now im placing a bounty on you cause you refuse to PVP with me and we need more people PVP'ing cause that's the way to learn this game!.. Bounty placed 1 billion email now sent. Player A : i like PVE Player eve : Eve is PVP Player A : .. but ummm PVE has missions Player eve : PVP is THE MISSION Player A: then why did CCP create all these missions to do Player eve:.. to leve up and play PVP with us.. duh!!!! Player A:.. ok then can i be allowed to play just the missions and learn the game Player eve: Sure! its your game and what you make it, I'll just gank you and interfere with your learning and enjoyment just to **** you off and force ninja kick you into PVP regardless. CCP : . eve online dont ya love it we're rolling in the money...millions of dollas!!! millions of dollas!!!.. Bling bling baby! snoop lion will play at fan fest 2014 ahhh hell to the yeah!!!
Inxentas Ultramar Ultramar Independent Contracting Home Front Coalition 411	Posted - 2013.04.15 09:10:00 - [12] - Quote The practical application and effect of bounties isn't limited to behaviour CONCORD deems criminal, nor should it in the raw definition of 'bounty'. If you bounty someone you can input a reason. Say that I kill your ratting Cruiser in a lowsec belp, pop the pod AND stick a nice bounty on top for 'trespassing': it communicates intent. In a game as ambigious as EvE, you aren't wanted by the CONCORD police force... you are wanted by a rival that has no qualms about financially rewarding destruction of your assets, and communicating this publicly for whatever reason.
Snaggletooth Slackjaw Uchusen Technologies 0	Posted - 2013.04.15 10:07:00 - [13] - Quote It can also be used as a rather limited intel tool, as you will receive notifications when some or all of the bounty is redeemed, and who by. Having been wardecced, an alt of the wardeccer placed very small bounties on all members of our corp. I think this is for intelligence gathering purposes, rather than using 111,111 ISK as a means to persuade other players to shoot our ships.
Chal0ner EntroPrelatial Industria EntroPraetorian Aegis 49	Posted - 2013.04.15 10:30:00 - [14] - Quote I used to have a bounty but I haven't got one anymore I find it offending that people consider me a harmless carebear - or something Also, game wise it's not even a minor inconvenience tbh. It would be something to explain when role playing
Nerath Naaris Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy 407	Posted - 2013.04.15 10:55:00 - [15] - Quote Melissa Turner wrote: CCP is too afraid to lay down the law on mission running griefers and their bottomless pit called the bounty system. if Bobba Fett where here even he himself would say.."umm ok now ccp you must place some rules on this again" Bounty placed for asking a question in HELP CHAT Bounty placed for grief'ing mission runners Bounty placed for posting in forums Bounty placed for simply saying "hello" in local Bounty placed on someone just cause they're new Bounty this bounty that.. I have never been bountied for posting on the forums here. But then my posts are always of the highest quality... Forum-unbanned since 2011.10.20. Mangala Solaris for CSM 8
Velicitia Nex Exercitus 1377	Posted - 2013.04.15 11:36:00 - [16] - Quote Ashley Thunderstorm wrote: From what i understand this "practical failure" serves no constructive purpose does it? I'm a carebear. I hate pvp in all it's form and i thought it only got as bad as getting ganked in high sector for carrying valuables. But this... From what i understand bounties are something you can't avoid. But i just don't like them anyway. You're probably in the wrong game then -- that's OK, it happens to all of us. There is no "no-PVP" option here, your "PVP flag" is the yellow and orange "undock" button (although, the PVP on the markets is just as vicious, if not moreso, than in space). The devs designed the game in such a way that you cannot truely be "safe" anywhere, and this is where the main draw is for a lot of people. As with a few other things recently, CCP has (in my opinion) gone a bit far with how the bounties work -- I could see it being limited to when someone has a criminal flag, but this still has holes in it (e.g. awoxing). Suppose "anyone can get a bounty at any time" is just easier to code than all the edge cases that could come up, though it has severely watered down the meaning of bounties. Wear the bounty with all the e-honour you can muster, or go looking for trouble in something worth ~1m ISK (as bounty payouts are 20% of your loss). One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia Malcanis for CSM8
Ygnizem Cenia Randomly Generated Corp 1	Posted - 2013.04.15 13:41:00 - [17] - Quote Nerath Naaris wrote: I have never been bountied for posting on the forums here. Here you go then, as a proof of concept so to speak. Reminds me of that guy who was silly enough to make "Why did I get a bounty?" thread in General Discussion... three pages later it was over fifty million.
Daniel Plain Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 928	Posted - 2013.04.15 14:59:00 - [18] - Quote Ashley Thunderstorm wrote: From what i understand this "practical failure" serves no constructive purpose does it? I'm a carebear. I hate pvp in all it's form and i thought it only got as bad as getting ganked in high sector for carrying valuables. But this... From what i understand bounties are something you can't avoid. But i just don't like them anyway. some food for thought for you OP: 1. nobody gives a flying fornication about bounties. unless you are sitting in something extremely expensive, nobody will suicide gank you for your bounty, unless they want to be a ** in which case they would probably gank you anyway. 2. EVE is a libertarian's wet dream. if you have the money (=power) to subjugate or grief people, you are free to do so but prepare to be on the receiving end as well. if you are not okay with this principle within the game context, EVE might not be the right game for you. "I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF**
Haulie Berry 391	Posted - 2013.04.15 15:34:00 - [19] - Quote Ashley Thunderstorm wrote: I was doing a L3 yesterday. Someone came in and started stealing my stuff and i shot him. A T2 logi warped in, not that he really needed help to kill me, i'm what? 11 days now? So he kills me, ask for ransom, i refuse, pods me... I block him and then he bounties me for 123,456 isk. The part where i die is my fault for shooting at him in the first place. But this bounty... People keep telling me it's no big deal and not to worry about it but it's completely killing my immersion here. I consider people with a bounty like perpetrators, not victims. It only makes sense. So my question is this, it used to be you could only bounty criminals or low sec status players. Why would anyone need to bounty a high sec status player? Also is there such a thing as bounty greifing? Given that there's really no tangible consequence to bearing a bounty, bounty "griefing" only exists in as much as some people are disproportionately irked by bounty placement. Any grief a bounty causes you is entirely self-inflicted.
Fractal Muse Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 259	Posted - 2013.04.15 15:55:00 - [20] - Quote Think of a bounty as a popularity rating. The higher your bounty the more people like you.
Lord Battlestar CALIMA COLLABORATIVE Atrox Urbanis Respublique Abundatia 35	Posted - 2013.04.15 16:02:00 - [21] - Quote Expect them, all of my bounty is from random passerbys lol I once podded myself by blowing a huge fart.
Inxentas Ultramar Ultramar Independent Contracting Home Front Coalition 411	Posted - 2013.04.15 16:18:00 - [22] - Quote I got a bounty of 500M for killing a Thrasher in lowsec, belonging to a corp with a hypersensitive CEO. Hilarious. The true beauty of the system is that the ISK will end up in another pvp-ers wallet. Great incentive for PVP, whether you want to lose your bounty or cash in on that of someone else.
Nerath Naaris Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy 407	Posted - 2013.04.15 16:19:00 - [23] - Quote Ygnizem Cenia wrote: Nerath Naaris wrote: I have never been bountied for posting on the forums here. Here you go then, as a proof of concept so to speak. Reminds me of that guy who was silly enough to make "Why did I get a bounty?" thread in General Discussion... three pages later it was over fifty million. Why thank you, I wondered if someone would pick up that glove, so to speak. Now be aware that noone has wardecced me for my forum-posts either, so far.... Forum-unbanned since 2011.10.20. Mangala Solaris for CSM 8
Ygnizem Cenia Randomly Generated Corp 1	Posted - 2013.04.15 18:04:00 - [24] - Quote That looks a lot like a bait, doesn't it? (Not that I have money to wardec anyone on a three day old toon)
J'Poll The Fiction Factory Tribal Band 2068	Posted - 2013.04.15 18:12:00 - [25] - Quote Nerath Naaris wrote: Ygnizem Cenia wrote: Nerath Naaris wrote: I have never been bountied for posting on the forums here. Here you go then, as a proof of concept so to speak. Reminds me of that guy who was silly enough to make "Why did I get a bounty?" thread in General Discussion... three pages later it was over fifty million. Why thank you, I wondered if someone would pick up that glove, so to speak. Now be aware that noone has wardecced me for my forum-posts either, so far.... That can be fixed if you want too When a WoW player leaves to return to WoW, the avg. IQ of both games rises. Professional Forum Thread locker.
Haedonism Bot Revolutionary Front New Creation Collective 282	Posted - 2013.04.16 02:12:00 - [26] - Quote Ashley Thunderstorm wrote: I'm a carebear. I hate pvp in all it's form... You are playing the wrong game. EVE = Everybody Versus Everybody. PvP is the heart and soul of this game. It is the reason why the game is designed as it is, why we are all of the same server, etc. If CCP gave a rat's ass about PVE then you wouldn't have been repeating the same 2 dozen or so missions for the last I-don't-know-how-many years. They would have come up with some new ones by now. Make no mistake - you are playing a PvP game. Fractal Muse wrote: Think of a bounty as a popularity rating. The higher your bounty the more people like you. Your bounty is kind of like your score. The higher it is, the more likely that you are winning EVE. Join the Revolutionary Front and liberate New Eden from it's stuff.
dark heartt I Own Four Sheep The Methodical Alliance 84	Posted - 2013.04.16 04:54:00 - [27] - Quote Melissa Turner wrote: Player A says : i dont like to pvp , dont care for pvp at all.. i prefer PVE and want to learn the game.. then perhaps dabble abit in pvp Player eve responds : "its ganker time i feel a woody coming no viagra needed" Player EVE says:.. best get used to pvp, eve-o was born a bastard kid from a pvp stripper!!! Player A says :.. but i really like running missions and learning the game cause I enjoy PVE Player eve says :. you need to prep for pvp cause this game is pvp Player A says :.. if that were so what are these missions im running doing in the game in the 1st place?? since that is NOT PVP! player eve says :....DOH!!! you ask too many questions .. now im placing a bounty on you cause you refuse to PVP with me and we need more people PVP'ing cause that's the way to learn this game!.. Bounty placed 1 billion email now sent. Player A : i like PVE Player eve : Eve is PVP Player A : .. but ummm PVE has missions Player eve : PVP is THE MISSION Player A: then why did CCP create all these missions to do Player eve:.. to leve up and play PVP with us.. duh!!!! Player A:.. ok then can i be allowed to play just the missions and learn the game Player eve: Sure! its your game and what you make it, I'll just gank you and interfere with your learning and enjoyment just to **** you off and force ninja kick you into PVP regardless. CCP : . eve online dont ya love it we're rolling in the money...millions of dollas!!! millions of dollas!!!.. Bling bling baby! snoop lion will play at fan fest 2014 ahhh hell to the yeah!!! You are an idiot. Eve is a PVP game. I'm a damn 'carebear' and I know this. The PVE in Eve is terrible anyway.
Bethan Le Troix Krusual Investigation Agency 4	Posted - 2013.04.16 15:59:00 - [28] - Quote "Why would anyone need to bounty a high sec status player?" 1) To just annoy you because they know it will. Some pilots hang around in the 'noob' systems and apply 100k bounties to all the new pilots in local channel. The more you react the more bounty will be applied to you. To some this could be considered griefing but in actual fact it is a legitimate method of gameplay along with corp theft, AWOXing, scamming, suicide ganking etc. etc. etc. 2) As another pilot stated bounties can be used as a tool to check that mercenaries you employ have completed the task/s you have set them. 3) This one hasn't been mentioned. Bounties can be used to inconvenience, and possibly remove your competitors. Say another corp or alliance is mining out 'your' belt/s, undercutting your haulage rates, undercutting your prices on the market, ninja salvaging or suicide ganking you etc. If you set a generous bounty on said individuals/corp/alliance they will be brought to the attention of any local space scum. The resulting twenty percent ship value bonus from destroying your high value ship eg a freighter/Hulk/Machariel can make a suicide gank financially viable or even give a hefty profit.
Gizznitt Malikite Agony Unleashed Agony Empire 2024	Posted - 2013.04.16 18:30:00 - [29] - Quote A few important things to add to this: "Why can you bounty anyone?" The bounty system was broken when only "low sec status" people could be bountied. This is because bad people don't always have bad security status. Corp thieves, scammers, AWOXers, any Nullsec Resident, and the like are all "ethically acceptable" targets of a bounty, but were immune because they generally have high sec status. Additionally, you need to understand what a low sec status actually means... it means a pilot that is willing to shoot first in lowsec and highsec, but that doesn't mean the target they are shooting at is some helpless carebear (far more often its another PvPer). "Bounties on anyone are game immersion breaking"? Why is that? A bounty is not a badge saying you are a bad guy, it's a bad that says someone wants you dead and they are willing to pay for it. Besides, in a game where the four "governments" are at war with each other, not to mention the countless number of folks that live "outside" the jurisdiction of these governments, how can Concord really determine if a person is good or bad? They are a beaurocratic organization with limited reach, of course they can be manipulated to place bounties on anyone, good or bad. You can shed a bounty very easily. It just costs you some isk. bounties pay out 20% of your ships value, so if you have a 200k isk bounty, get in a 1m isk ship and go get it blown up by another player. You may find that a very entertaining thing to do (example: steal some mining materials from a can, then see how long you can fly around before someone catches you). Low bounties are essentially meaningless, but they provide a good excuse to do something new, and put a little excitement in your life. Big bounties (100m+) are a bit more "expensive" to shed, and can "help" encourage other players to attack you (even in highsec). "I dont' want to PvP, I just want to PvE". Most people consider PvP to mean ship-to-ship combat. And that's a big part of EvE PvP, but so is trading, mining, manufacturing, etc. These other aspects still involve competing with other EvE players, and anytime you participate in these activities you alter the Supply/Demand curves the fundamentally run the EvE economy. In short, every pilot in eve influences the economy, and thereby has an effect on economic PvP. The primary reason why wardecs and suicide ganks are important to EvE is to allow a group of ship-PvP'ers to compete with a group of Industrial-PvPers. The industrialists might corner the market on 425 autocannon II's, and by wardecs/suicide ganks the PvP'ers can disrupt the industrialists activities. Likewise, the industrialists can hire mercs to take on any group of PvP'ers to also influence the universe. @ Melissa Turner [*] Missioners generate LP, they collect loot, they collect isk, and they buy ammo and other goods. The result, as a group they significantly alter the games economy. Providing tools and techniques for players to disrupt their actions is extremely important to balancing the other side of the economy!
Holgrak Blacksmith Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 76	Posted - 2013.04.16 20:47:00 - [30] - Quote Small bounties like that mean absolutely nothing. Big bounties mean equally as little but at least you know you've really borked someone's day up.

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