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mirel yirrin
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Posted - 2005.09.17 20:59:00 -
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My precious, precious thorax is Ruined now.
The only thing It had going for it was its Large amounts of heavy drones, and now those have been reduced, It can't be used for pvp proply.
If I'm recalling this correctly, the thorax is incapable of fitting a decent amount of medium weapons and a decentish tank.
Now I know that Ships Aren't supposed to be able to tank and Gank at the same time.
I loved setting up a 1600mm Plated Thorax with Nosfs and a Powerful tank, with a Huge ammount of drones for pvp, and now its not possible anymore.
And don't say "get T2 Drone skills they give the same DPS".
T2 Drones really Aren't that much of an improvement.
So, How about Upping the Vexors drone Bay to say 250/300 m3.
Gallante are supposed to be drone based, why no uber drone carryer?
So I say this.
Goodbye thorax, its been nice knowing you.
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Elrathias
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Posted - 2005.09.17 21:17:00 -
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naaaw. would you liek some cheese with that?
on a serious note, yes please, 250/300 m3 droenbay on the vexor. that just means more drones in my ishtar :D
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mirel yirrin
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Posted - 2005.09.17 21:19:00 -
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 Originally by: Elrathias
naaaw. would you liek some cheese with that?
on a serious note, yes please, 250/300 m3 droenbay on the vexor. that just means more drones in my ishtar :D
Nah, I'm Cheese Intolerant.
Yes, one of the gallante cruisers needs to have there Pg/cpu Lowered, but be given **** loads of Drones.
And I mean a +15 bonus to drone in the air per Cruiser Level.
/me drools at over 75 possible drones.
If were gonan do that, lower drone size to 1m3 per drone, so I can use all 75 of my drones.
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Batar Fireheart
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Posted - 2005.09.17 21:32:00 -
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well it is about time they nerfed the rax
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mirel yirrin
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Posted - 2005.09.17 21:58:00 -
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Originally by: Batar Fireheart
well it is about time they nerfed the rax
No it wasn't.
The Rax was fine.
So where missiles, but I'm not ******* getting into that right now
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BH Sharkbait
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Posted - 2005.09.17 22:34:00 -
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imo the thorax is still a very good ship and 1 of the best T1 cruisers, but thats only my opion.
the new changes are available on sisi now. you can find the MK2 ships in hanger 6. some still have to be updated, but that will happen soon 
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2005.09.17 22:46:00 -
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Edited by: j0sephine on 17/09/2005 22:46:57
"If I'm recalling this correctly, the thorax is incapable of fitting a decent amount of medium weapons and a decentish tank."
This was the case, and it's why it's given 150 mw powergrid increase, to make up for 100 m3 of the drone bay.
With the new grid it appoears capable of fitting both decent tank (800mm plate, hardeners, repairer) and full set of medium weapons... well, on paper anyway ^^;;;
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Kelgen Thann
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Posted - 2005.09.17 23:16:00 -
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I loved setting up a 1600mm Plated Thorax with Nosfs and a Powerful tank, with a Huge ammount of drones for pvp, and now its not possible anymore.
I would miss a ship that could do everything too :P Is it good it has been made to fir a certain roll? YUP
Also the fitting 1600mm plates (Battleship armour) without MAJOR mass penalties is Stupid. I heard plate armour will get nerfed too so fitting Plates that are for a class up on a small ship will suffer larger penalties.
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mirel yirrin
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Posted - 2005.09.18 10:09:00 -
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Originally by: j0sephine
Edited by: j0sephine on 17/09/2005 22:46:57
"If I'm recalling this correctly, the thorax is incapable of fitting a decent amount of medium weapons and a decentish tank."
This was the case, and it's why it's given 150 mw powergrid increase, to make up for 100 m3 of the drone bay.
With the new grid it appoears capable of fitting both decent tank (800mm plate, hardeners, repairer) and full set of medium weapons... well, on paper anyway ^^;;;
I'll have to go check that out on SiSi....
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mirel yirrin
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Posted - 2005.09.18 10:10:00 -
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Originally by: Kelgen Thann
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I loved setting up a 1600mm Plated Thorax with Nosfs and a Powerful tank, with a Huge ammount of drones for pvp, and now its not possible anymore.
I would miss a ship that could do everything too :P Is it good it has been made to fir a certain roll? YUP
Also the fitting 1600mm plates (Battleship armour) without MAJOR mass penalties is Stupid. I heard plate armour will get nerfed too so fitting Plates that are for a class up on a small ship will suffer larger penalties.
Putting a 1600mm Plate on a Thorax seriously gimped Everything else.
It was the Ultimate Tank you could achieve on thoraxs.
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Gwenvahar
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Posted - 2005.09.18 15:20:00 -
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All I want to say is, from a missioning setup, I very very much need that 1600mm plate on the rax, to have a chance of survival with the mission rats lately after the patch. Please take into account that for the battleship plate, I get armed with all frig class weapons. I haven't the awsome number of skills nessasary to fully achieve all the rax is capable of either.. Many other cruisers have a significantly easier time with level 3 missions solo than a rax has from my perspective of low skill.. Now if drones worked like drones should, then the rax could have some balance issues because of sheer effeniency improvements. If drones worked right, the common 8 pack of ogres would truly be 80% or more of your potential threat and damage output in a rax. I often feel like I am providing cover fire for the drones more than destroying targets with my small 150mm rails, modal blasters and webber. Staying in the thick of combat with cruisers and frigs so when they switch targets I can be close enuff to scoop the ogre under fire and redeploy. Thats farkin tuff work on 1.3 mill SP..
However if plate gets modified to increase mass-drag for size class diffrences that would neatly end it. The rax is fairly slow as it is, if not 1600mm, some plate will be added to the thorax so it always suffers some speed reduction. However the massive power need for the big plate seriously hruts a rax already. I don't think it needs to be nerf'd, the plate or the rax.
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2005.09.18 17:10:00 -
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buhu (TM)
it CAN fit medium guns now.
u said it yourself "Now I know that Ships Aren't supposed to be able to tank and Gank at the same time."
still, i agree the vexor ought to be made better - but maybe not as uber as u say
Originally by: TomB
Originally by: Einheriar Ulrich
Mining in a dreadnaught.....Should be banned
/signed
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PsyBoRG
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Posted - 2005.09.19 10:49:00 -
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buuhuu buuhuu weird they are only nerfing your thorax they just made mine better i wonder what ur doing wrong...
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Kelgen Thann
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Posted - 2005.09.19 19:58:00 -
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However if plate gets modified to increase mass-drag for size class diffrences that would neatly end it. The rax is fairly slow as it is, if not 1600mm, some plate will be added to the thorax so it always suffers some speed reduction. However the massive power need for the big plate seriously hruts a rax already. I don't think it needs to be nerf'd, the plate or the rax.
The reason they are doing it is ecause you can stick large plates on Frigs, or Cruisers and it throws off PVP. I don't have a link to when the nerf was comming from but I was told it is on it's way. I coudl be wrong though, but this nerf makes sens, even though I use 1600mm plates on my Blackbird and use it as a hard-to-kill EW platform
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Wolverine PL
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Posted - 2005.09.20 16:38:00 -
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I like the way they changed rax, Rax and all gallante ships always had to low pg to fit decent weapons.
Now I can easy fit 5 ions and med rep t2 plus some CPR.
Earlier that wasnt possible.
I cant wait to fly in MK2 rax in tranquality server.
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MAcheTT3
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Posted - 2005.09.20 19:39:00 -
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I'm a Gallente only ship user and I have to say that the Thorax has been over powered for a long time. It's definately a good thing that it's Drone bay has been decreased, as much as it sucks.
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Gwenvahar
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Posted - 2005.09.20 21:09:00 -
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Why cant the proposed changes be listed in the forums here? Any DEV care to comment? I don't have time in my life to screw with the test server.. Not that it matters, common opinion that i've seen suggests it dosent make a spit of diffrence if any of us use the test server.. The dev's don't pay attention to our reports and ignore major bug's as well as violations of conduct consistantly.. If my rax gets a drone bay reduction, and plates get nerf'd, I as a low skill player will no longer be able to do Level 3 solo work in one unless some truly amazing improvements are included which I haven't heard about here. And if I am told that the game is intended to be multiplayer all the time, well screw off because I like to work alone alot. Besides you can't trust anyone not closely connected through corp or personal relationship not to shoot you in the back.
And I would suggest that if every balancing decision is made based on PvP alone, we will have very little more than a one big gang versus the one other big gang and the rest of us be screwed and ignored kind of game. Personally it'll be the deal breaker that prompts me to stop paying. I want PvP in the game, I do not want it to dominate every aspect of it or limit my exploration of it.
They make missions and PvE harder, they make ships weaker and weaker, they fail to introduce higher tech material at a sufficient rate, they do not take appropriate action to improve the user interface, they do no take into consideration player inputs beyond the whailing cry of PvP'ers. My dissapointment grows, as does the desire to flame dev's for being neigh worthless and CCP for being just another money grubbing company with no real intrest in developing the best game. I continue to resist as best I can.
Gwenvahar~
"When the levee breaks, mama, you got to move.." LedZepplin
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Ante
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Posted - 2005.09.21 04:52:00 -
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Originally by: mirel yirrin
Originally by: Batar Fireheart
well it is about time they nerfed the rax
No it wasn't.
The Rax was fine.
Well apparently it wasn't fine or else they wouldn't be changing it.
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So where missiles, but I'm not ******* getting into that right now
If you couldn't see the problem with missiles before...
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BlackHawk177
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Posted - 2005.09.21 06:02:00 -
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Edited by: BlackHawk177 on 21/09/2005 06:02:33
Originally by: Gwenvahar
Why cant the proposed changes be listed in the forums here?
*Cough* Proposed Changes *Cough*
Look for the part that says Assualt Cruisers and ZOMG!!! Drones bay reduction for Thorax...
Everything else I read looked like.. Whine Whine Whine... Cry Cry Cry... I'm gonna stop playing... Whine Cry Waaa...
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Malken
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Posted - 2005.09.21 09:09:00 -
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hehe some ppl just dont want to read blackie
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Gwenvahar
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Posted - 2005.09.21 21:22:00 -
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Originally by: BlackHawk177
Edited by: BlackHawk177 on 21/09/2005 06:02:33
Originally by: Gwenvahar
Why cant the proposed changes be listed in the forums here?
*Cough* Proposed Changes *Cough*
Look for the part that says Assualt Cruisers and ZOMG!!! Drones bay reduction for Thorax...
Everything else I read looked like.. Whine Whine Whine... Cry Cry Cry... I'm gonna stop playing... Whine Cry Waaa...
No actually I had found that later in the night, thanks... Took the time to read the DEV blog that linked to the thread with all the proposed changes.. I looked over it, not at all impressed.. I dunno what ships were origionaly like befor the 1st wave of changes, but at least the Thorax is gonna suck alot more now. Tweaking the ships is not what I'd consider the priority for DEV's to be concentrating on.. I point their considerable skill at the continualy increasing lag issues for high populated space, and areas where large fleet conflict occurs.. Oh and drone logic, lets not forget the drones being stupid.
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Ravenge
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Posted - 2005.09.21 21:55:00 -
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Originally by: HippoKing
buhu (TM)
it CAN fit medium guns now.
u said it yourself "Now I know that Ships Aren't supposed to be able to tank and Gank at the same time."
still, i agree the vexor ought to be made better - but maybe not as uber as u say
It could always fit medium guns..  It just sucked for tanking, doesn't have the cap to be a blaster ship.. and can be out tanked by the maller (with its 8 heavy drones.) and has the lowest amount of slots of any tier 3 cruiser.. the reason for the was because of its 200m3 drone bay
Now it can still fit medium drones.. has a little better tank, still doesn't have enough cap to be a decent blastership, still has the lowest amount of slots of all tier 3 cruisers.. and so on..
anyway, isn't it about time you started the nerf the maller whines?
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WickedWeasel
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Posted - 2005.09.22 11:39:00 -
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just add another slot to the rax. 13 slots compared to 14/14/15 for the other Tier 3 cruisers is plain stupid if you ask me.
- 100m3 drone bay: 10 med drones (T2?) : faster and maybe about 2/3 dmg
- med guns = more dmg.
tank is worse but AFAIK it can still be plated, with the right skills and eqquipment.
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ChaosOne
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Posted - 2005.09.22 14:10:00 -
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my god, i think people are gonna have to start putting guns on rax's instead of relying on drones and 5000ap's. what a shame.
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danneh
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Posted - 2005.09.22 23:11:00 -
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Hahahahahahahahahaha,
A Thorax was the most used thorax ingame before patch, why?
I'm still gonna take my thorax out instead of my Maller anyday after patch.
PS. 10 Medium t2 drones is still more then enough.
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danneh
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Posted - 2005.09.22 23:17:00 -
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Edited by: danneh on 22/09/2005 23:18:38
Originally by: Ravenge
doesn't have the cap to be a blaster ship..
I have Gallente Cruiser lvl 3 and i have 1200 capacitor on my thorax with an mvd fitted.
Thorax, 1100 capacitor before skills.
Maller 1200 capacitor before skills.
Rupture 1000 capacitor before skills.
Moa 1100 capacitor before skills.
Now if you whould actully train some skills to get the thorax mvd bonus.
So yeah train some skills, just cause your I win button has been removed doesnt mean that its the end of the world.
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Ravenge
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Posted - 2005.09.23 00:19:00 -
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Originally by: danneh
Edited by: danneh on 22/09/2005 23:18:38
Originally by: Ravenge
doesn't have the cap to be a blaster ship..
I have Gallente Cruiser lvl 3 and i have 1200 capacitor on my thorax with an mvd fitted.
Thorax, 1100 capacitor before skills.
Maller 1200 capacitor before skills.
Rupture 1000 capacitor before skills.
Moa 1100 capacitor before skills.
Now if you whould actully train some skills to get the thorax mvd bonus.
So yeah train some skills, just cause your I win button has been removed doesnt mean that its the end of the world.
Awww bless, well please tell me how to train skill past lvl 5.. and shall do so..
oh and for the record, my ships of choice are the deimos and vag.. I'm just looking at this from thepoint of view that the whining elite fail to understand. That the rax was never that uber.. after all heavy drone get torn apart by medium drones and if you don't have medium drones.. well medium weapons work even better.
Ships like the maller, are just as over powered.. but again.. the whining elite can't get past the "Whaaa he can use 8 heavy drones." so, when its all said.. i will keep flying my HAC's and possible my "I win" claw and maller and wait for the next "Whaaa nerf this." thread.
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danneh
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Posted - 2005.09.23 01:17:00 -
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Originally by: Ravenge
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How is the Maller ovepowered?, Because it can tank better then the Thorax?,
The thorax 200 m3 drone bay was overpowered cause is could tank same as any other cruisers with plates but with huge dmg diffrence because of the drones.
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theRaptor
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Posted - 2005.09.23 05:45:00 -
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Originally by: Ravenge
Ships like the maller, are just as over powered.. but again.. the whining elite can't get past the "Whaaa he can use 8 heavy drones." so, when its all said.. i will keep flying my HAC's and possible my "I win" claw and maller and wait for the next "Whaaa nerf this." thread.
No the maller is pretty crap actually. Omen kicks its ass. If you can not see what is wrong with being able to have an uber tank and hardly drop your DPS (thanks to 8 heavy drones) then please end yourself. If the maller could fit a 1600 tank and heavy pulse then it would be overpowered.
P.S. I am a thorax pilot.
That is not dead which can eternal lie,
And with strange aeons even death may die.
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sallyr
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Posted - 2005.09.23 13:33:00 -
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Originally by: HippoKing
buhu (TM)
it CAN fit medium guns now.
u said it yourself "Now I know that Ships Aren't supposed to be able to tank and Gank at the same time."
still, i agree the vexor ought to be made better - but maybe not as uber as u say
cough a raven can
lows of damage mods mids of tank highs of power ownage
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