shame on you for demanding thet CCP holds your hand against ganks

95% of all gnks can be avoided if people would pay attention and or use common sense

Do not afk pilot in a freighter while at war
Do not afk mine in a untanker mining barge
Do not fly afk in a untanked hauler carrying several billions in goods
Use alternative routes
Do not run missions in a officer fitted faction ship in the most populair misson hubs

and the list goes on and on

so like a remote shield extender?

why not just fit a shield extender (or other tank modules) locally?

or would that interfere with the max-yield fit ...

Closest I've come to an actual deal like this was an armor rig/module that would ping back 1hp damage to the hitting ship.

Why? So lulz gankers/kb fluff types take KB hits from being concorded. If they really don't care about that then it won't even phase them but you do have a batch of lulz types that do it because they can get away with it and nobody can see they failed when they do.

This way you might find some Industrial pilots showing 30 kills, 1 loss due to all the failed attempts to gank them -- a handy warning for profit type guys to load heavier.

Even better, a good laugh finding a braggart trade-hub camper showing 1 in 3 attempts succeeds as they keep failing their ganks (which is currently hidden with how most KB's record stuff). "Fear my gank skills!" - lol! I don't think so with *THAT* record showing... Currently, it'd show a 100% success rate - far from accurate.

Anyone ever suggest a high slot module that would transfer one ship's shields to another?

So say a BS can target a barge and activate the high slot shield transfer module, which will drain all shields from the BS and give a partial percent, say 25%, of the BS's current shield hit points before activation to the barge. While the module is active the shields of the giver (the BS in this example) do not regenerate (active or passively).

Make it so that the partial percent is relatively low so that in fleet warfare the trade-off to protecting an alpha'd ship using this module would result in shield-crippled ships. Also if the module deactivates then none of the transferred shield returns to the BS, but regeneration can happen.

I am always for suicide ganking but I never have a problem looking for more tools that the victims can use without any hard nerfs to everyone else.

Anyway just an idea that popped in my head. I figured I would let it get roasted here before I would think to throw it in the ideas section of the forums.

How about CONCORD just post their kills?

CCP has already given you all the modules you need to prevent ganks.

Closest I've come to an actual deal like this was an armor rig/module that would ping back 1hp damage to the hitting ship.

Maybe something like this:
http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online/item.php?type_id=4284

Perhaps combined with this:
http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online/item.php?type_id=4280
and this
http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online/item.php?type_id=3608

with a barge fitting this:
http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online/item.php?type_id=3831
and this:
http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online/item.php?type_id=2048

I think that should do what you want (and more).

You can fit more than enough local tank on any Exhumer (or Barge) to survive until shield reps land, and a Scimitar (heck, a Scythe) ready to rep will be more than enough to dissuade any ganker trying for any semblance of efficiency (because breaking reps or Alphaing you is fairly expensive).

No need for a tool that serves as an AFK replacement for Logi.

No, not like any of that.

Right now gankers can increase their alpha damage by bringing more ships. But the defender cannot increase their EHP by bringing ever more ships. What is being suggested is some way the defender can add more ships and keep getting a higher EHP. The shield harmonizing link only works for one ship, it does not scale up. You cannot bring 10 ships with shield harmonizing and get a really strong tank.

Now an attack based on DPS as opposed to alpha, remote rep does scale and having more friends supporting the defender works.. But we do not have a similar way of scaling up defense vs an alpha strike, or a gank thats faster then one RR cycle.

You mean like drones can if you're ATK?

Why else do Exhumers and Barges have silly high scan res? (Unfit Hulk locks a Destroyer in under 2s.)

Hey, a TD, some ECM, or ECM drones will all get you on their killmails, and could even prevent the gank from succeeding.

Drones aren't so easy and don't always work well with ECM - this I'm fairly certain you are aware of.

Example: Drones on an interceptor that tackles you, in comes gang that ECM jams you, you recall your drones being as that interceptor handed off the tackle to a heavy tackler and headed off for a tour of the system - your drones in tow. Being as you are ECM jammed, you cannot send them out to attack anything else, they'll just orbit you until you do target another ship and then send them to attack - even if they are set on "aggressive", that is canceled the first time you recall them. If you don't recall them, they'll happily chase that interceptor.

Also drones aren't carried by many classes of ships - namely industrials and the like, which are favored gank targets. These ships also tend to have longer lock times than the ships attacking them and this also doesn't work so well when you come out of warp at a gate with them in your drone bay.

There is a barge called the "Procurer"
and an Exhumer the "Skiff"

You want more EHP? Undock in one of those and you won't need any half-baked counter-measures.

/thread

Who brings ECM for jamming the primary on a Suicide gank OP?



Again, the topic is Suicide ganking...



...Primarily of Mining Barges/Exhumers. Transports have other methods of avoiding ganks that are equally effective.

What works for one kind of ship does not necessarily work for others.

As you say only mining barges and exhumers who are currently mining and have the drones out.

ECM drones are silly in this situation being as you'll be popping rats and recall + launch new doesn't work well while being ganked, now does it? Also drones can take a bit to switch targets if they are busy with rats at a given time and if on aggressive, it's already set to work this way - and doesn't do much now does it?

Transports have no other methods of effect unless you are going with T2 transports vs indy style haulers. Not even close and T2 transports are fairly uncommon compared to T1 haulers and not that popular a gank target due to their abilities.

I have a blockade runner and it's agility & cloak puts it a tad better than my Arazu for align times & cloak use - no it doesn't get ganked even when I pack a couple billion worth of cargo in it - but it's also a fairly expensive hull and a "specialized" style of training that vets can take advantage of - but that excludes a large portion of the community without gutting their training plans.