Nah mwd's are mostly fine they could use some work on making T2's better than the meta variations for sure and maybe lower the sig penalty aswell to help attack ships and low sig ships from being popped so easy.

Afterburners are the mods that need some work really the have the same mass penalty as mwds but give a lot less in return which is strange especially as AB's are normally used on orbiting frigs/on some cruisers.
- mass reduction to increase agility and speed
- web resistance bonus to give people a reason to use it at all levels/better brawling mod
- easier fittings would be nice to allow more dual prop setups on tight ships.

kewl, topic derailed.

this is about the scrams and mods to counter their effect on a % chance.

im all for a burner discussion somewhere else.

true, but it was only as a reference towards the fact. i would love to hear your idea on the burners tho cause im a huge burner fan.

Nah mwd's are mostly fine they could use some work on making T2's better than the meta variations for sure and maybe lower the sig penalty aswell to help attack ships and low sig ships from being popped so easy.

Afterburners are the mods that need some work really the have the same mass penalty as mwds but give a lot less in return which is strange especially as AB's are normally used on orbiting frigs/on some cruisers.
- mass reduction to increase agility and speed
- web resistance bonus to give people a reason to use it at all levels/better brawling mod
- easier fittings would be nice to allow more dual prop setups on tight ships.

i know the diff between the 2. i almost run burners exclusively for the lower sig radius and so it doesnt get shut off, but alliance and null sec rules dictate otherwise.

dual prop

OP is looking for counters that already exist.

Warp Core Stabilizers: counters 1 point of warp disruption per mod (note: disruptors apply 1 point, scramblers apply 2).
ECM: jams a target and prevents it from targeting anything for 20 seconds.
Death: you can't really tackle anything if you are dead, now can you?

i love the scram turning it off. but once gets within range and hits the scram, its deffinate. there is no counter, no % chance to NOT work, no counter against it.

how about this (and i fly inties, so i know the implications):

new rigs or mods that will allow a % chance to not shut off your mwd. warping is still impossible, but the mwd might still function. the % would be rerolled every scram cycle.

10% on rigs, 15% on t2 rgs
20% chance on the low mods, 25% on the t2.

these wouldnt mess up your scan reso like warp stabs.
maybe call them microwarp stabs.
it would allow a new dynamic. most of the time you catch your foe, sometimes he gets away..
stacking penalty still applies.

i know the diff between the 2. i almost run burners exclusively for the lower sig radius and so it doesnt get shut off, but alliance and null sec rules dictate otherwise.

kewl, topic derailed.

this is about the scrams and mods to counter their effect on a % chance.

im all for a burner discussion somewhere else.

you forgot to say "drum roll"... usually follow funny jokes (and maybe your not so funny joke.)

i know the diff between the 2. i almost run burners exclusively for the lower sig radius and so it doesnt get shut off, but alliance and null sec rules dictate otherwise.

webs were dropped to 60% to allow for a more dynamic pvp experience and to allow some to escape and others to perrish. what i am proposing would do the same.

Webs were reduced during the nano nerf from 90% to 50%-60% partly because of the huge speed reduction ships were also getting. 90% would have made them incredibly overpowered.

I could legitimately see allowing warp core stabs allowing a mwd to continue to run, but otherwise I would say that it's a balanced mechanic. With a MWD you really should be going fast enough to avoid scrams most of the time anyways in a small ship and being that you don't actually see the cycle time of a module your opponent is using, a chance based system would be nearly useless unless you intend on trying to activate the module constantly.

fitting a warp core stab to avoid this issue would be one fix if they were changed a little.
recently, cap batteries were changed to reflect incoming neuts and vamps onto their aggressors. this wasnt in the original design, but was added in. i know the difference between the ab and mwd.

i have a maladiction with a dread scram (13km) and a dread web (13km). when i sit in the middle of a small gate, you wont escape my 1700mm scan res and the insta "stop in your tracks" move that follows.
with a sentinel standing by with dual scripted tracking disruptors, you arent hitting me to kill the ceptor. you wont escape, you wont do anything but maybe drop dps drones (which wont catch me) or drop ecm drones which you will prolly be dead before you get them to work properly against both of us with scrams on and our dps on stand by. i have bounced off of blockaides, decloaked several things before, and once decloaked, yer mine.
you jump in, i start clicking, your mwd shuts off before it even fires up and u stick around in slow poke mode.

i just thought it would be kewl for an mwd to have that chance, as small as it may be, to actually break free and take off and we have to persue.

mwd's do scale quite badly really i think they need looking at in terms of T2 mwd needs to be better than the meta mwd's at speed.
various metas could be useful at various functions.

1 - base mwd
2 - lower cap requirement/penalty
3 - lower fitting requirements
4 - lower mass addition/ lower speed boost
5 - higher top speed, /higher fitting requirement, /higher cap requirement