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X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
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Posted - 2013.04.15 16:38:00 -
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Kills Per Region, and More
First the Negative Whine: Needs to be in sortable, tabular format. Positives: Freaking Awesome!
FW low sec accounts for 8 of the 13 regions that generated over 10k kills in March. I wonder which feature is generating the most "content" in Eve? (obviously Jita )
Poorly formatted numbers:
RegionNo. KillsNotes The Forge24481High Sec, Jita Black Rise23867FW Delve18931Sov 0.0 Heimatar18487FW Metropolis18344FW The Bleak Lands17372FW Essence16850FW The Citadel16137FW Devoid15970FW Sing Liason14589(Rancer, Eggh) Placid13219FW Domain11750Massive Region Curse10584NPC 0.0
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Zarnak Wulf
In Exile. Imperial Outlaws.
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Posted - 2013.04.15 17:18:00 -
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Low Sec FTW. |
Deen Wispa
Justified Chaos
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Posted - 2013.04.15 17:46:00 -
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I think it would be more interesting to see how much of FW Kills account for the overall lowsec kills. High Five. Yeah! C'est La Eve . |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
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Posted - 2013.04.15 17:57:00 -
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You can get a good idea of how many kills (and losses) are FW player related by looking at eve-kill. Non-alliance Gallente FW has 4380 total kills this month, which would put it at No. 3 on eve-kill behind Goonswarm(6388) and Test Alliance(5782). Add in alliance kills (which overlap with GMVA, some of SPDR, but not so much with RISE, and definitely not with SPCA), and and we'd be really close to Number One. Maybe Amarr or Minmatar would have more kills if their kb included alliances..
Plus, you can look at those regions to see who are the top alliances and corporations getting all the kills. Black Rise: Top 4 corporations are militia, 3 of Top 5 alliances are FW. The pirates who make up the rest of the list (Scum, Rainbow Dash Friends, and Ministry of Destruction) feed off of militia quite a bit as well. |
Xayder
NED-Clan Goonswarm Federation
241
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Posted - 2013.04.15 19:51:00 -
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-1 I don't always post, But when i post I do it with my main |
2manno Asp
The Imperial Fedaykin Amarrian Commandos
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Posted - 2013.04.15 22:36:00 -
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made the list. **** yea. |
Dan Carter Murray
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Posted - 2013.04.15 23:17:00 -
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WHAT ABOUT THE STRUCTURES IN 0.0 SOV?
THAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT IN MY OPINION. IF YOU DON'T FLY AMARR THEN YOU DON'T LIKE A CHALLENGE SO GET ******
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Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
408
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Posted - 2013.04.15 23:20:00 -
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The Forge is not only Jita but RvB-country as well; that easily accounts for a couple thousand kills. Forum-unbanned since 2011.10.20.
Mangala Solaris for CSM 8 |
Sura Sadiva
Entropic Tactical Crew
411
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Posted - 2013.04.16 09:15:00 -
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lol, single FW systems generate more kills than whole null sec regions. |
Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin Amarrian Commandos
854
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Posted - 2013.04.16 12:54:00 -
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that may be true about fw being the most actiave pvp grounds, but the eve is about 0.0 and bowing to 0.0 power blocks and their super-swinging-dic-hullls
set FW to MAXIMUM CARNAGE! http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/4375/mynewsig2.jpg
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Cearain
Black Dragon Fighting Society The Devil's Tattoo
870
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Posted - 2013.04.16 15:07:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:You can get a good idea of how many kills (and losses) are FW player related by looking at eve-kill. Non-alliance Gallente FW has 4380 total kills this month, which would put it at No. 3 on eve-kill behind Goonswarm(6388) and Test Alliance(5782). Add in alliance kills (which overlap with GMVA, some of SPDR, but not so much with RISE, and definitely not with SPCA), and and we'd be really close to Number One. Maybe Amarr or Minmatar would have more kills if their kb included alliances.. .
This only shows data for the very large alliances which I do not think make up the lions share of the pvp in low sec.
X Gallentius wrote: Plus, you can look at those regions to see who are the top alliances and corporations getting all the kills. Black Rise: Top 4 corporations are militia, 3 of Top 5 alliances are FW. The pirates who make up the rest of the list (Scum, Rainbow Dash Friends, and Ministry of Destruction) feed off of militia quite a bit as well.
This works pretty well when the top alliances make up a large percent of the total kills like in Black rise, and bleaklands, where we see a heavy fw influence. It also works well when the non fw alliances are clearly doing most of the killing as we see in devoid.
It doesn't work so well in metro, or lonetreck where we see top alliance killers don't really account for the majority of kills.
I would like to see a more reliable breakdown of fw versus non fw kills. But really to the extent we are dreaming here I would like to know the breakdown of kills in fw plexes. I would not be surprised if the number neutral kills in plexes isn't geting close to 25%.
I would also like to see a breakdown of fw kills which might show if they are now much more concentrated into a fewer systems like was predicted from the station lockouts. It seems like the amarr/min fw presence outside of a 1or 2 jumps from kourmonen is pretty low.
However you look at it, this seems to show that if you want pvp, low sec is the way to go. Null sec is looking really bad. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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March rabbit
epTa Team Inc.
624
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Posted - 2013.04.16 15:27:00 -
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Sura Sadiva wrote:lol, single FW systems generate more kills than whole null sec regions. this is about RISK of 0.0
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X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
1288
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Posted - 2013.04.16 17:12:00 -
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Cearain wrote: However you look at it, this seems to show that if you want pvp, FACTION WARFARE low sec is the way to go. Null sec is looking really bad.
Fixed. Unless you meant to say that Solitude is a great place to pvp. |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
2228
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Posted - 2013.04.16 22:31:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:RegionNo. KillsNotes The Forge24481High Sec, Jita Black Rise23867FW Delve18931Sov 0.0 Heimatar18487FW Metropolis18344FW The Bleak Lands17372FW Essence16850FW The Citadel16137FW Devoid15970FW Sing Liason14589(Rancer, Eggh) Placid13219FW Domain11750Massive Region Curse10584NPC 0.0 Sunovabetch!!! ONLY #6 on the list??? Gotta step up our game. Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective. |
Colt Blackhawk
Nasranite Watch
114
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Posted - 2013.04.17 05:55:00 -
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I like the numbers of Kam/Kourm. As a combination always some of the most violent systems in eve.
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SAJUK NIGARRA
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
123
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Posted - 2013.04.17 11:01:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:Kills Per Region, and MoreFirst the Negative Whine: Needs to be in sortable, tabular format. Positives: Freaking Awesome! FW low sec accounts for 8 of the 13 regions that generated over 10k kills in March. I wonder which feature is generating the most "content" in Eve? (obviously Jita )
As usual, we don't see eye to eye. Chasing number of kills or thinking only kills are content is a pretty shallow vision of eve and reminds me a lot of "acheivements" in other AAA games. That's actually the great thing about Eve, look at other community forums, half the people there aren't eve subbed, still they create what others consider great content.
Hell, for Provi dudes throwing another station means great content, for me and Tek disbanding the Sinners of Solitude coalition in 2 hours on TS without even undocking was great content. Look at the dude that stole 600 B worth of crap from SMA and all the drama that followed with attempted coups, etc . That's content that reaches the community more than a frig 1v1 which, while fun for the two dudes involved, creates nothing for everyone else.
But to get back on track, while Poetic is a rambling idiot, this type of easly accesible data is a great service to the community and especially for semi nomadic alliances like ours is a godsent when looking at possible roadtrip destinations, so yeah, deffo +1 Poetic Stanziel, thanks dude. |
Cearain
Black Dragon Fighting Society The Devil's Tattoo
870
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Posted - 2013.04.22 14:38:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:Cearain wrote: However you look at it, this seems to show that if you want pvp, FACTION WARFARE low sec is the way to go. Null sec is looking really bad.
Fixed. Unless you meant to say that Solitude is a great place to pvp.
Agreed. Whether that is due to fw pvpers or non fw pvpers going where the people are, is what I wonder about.
We see some FW areas like devoid were non-fw players are getting the most kills. Others like black rise and bleak lands where fw players are getting the most kills.
In other fw regions, like metro and lonetrek, it's unclear who is getting the most kills because the top alliances don't cover the majority of kills.
edit: I mean citadel not lonetreck.
I think 2 main changes helped create this enviornment: 1) ended gcc 2) The rats in fw plexes no longer cause problems for pvpers. 3) Added lp payouts so more people became exposed to faction war plex pvp.
Is there a way to easilly see on any killboard if someone is in a militia? 99% of my fights are inside or right outside a plex. I would like to see what percent of fighting I do with militia as opposed to non militia. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Princess Nexxala
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
369
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Posted - 2013.04.22 15:01:00 -
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YES YES OH GOD YES
Cearain wrote: 1) ended gcc
derp? |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
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Posted - 2013.04.22 15:16:00 -
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There is a militia column on your overview. All you have to do is enable it. |
March rabbit
epTa Team Inc.
646
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Posted - 2013.04.22 15:32:00 -
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SAJUK NIGARRA wrote: Hell, for Provi dudes throwing another station means great content,
have never been to Provi. so.... content? Personally i've built outpost in Etherium Rich. Did anyone notice?
SAJUK NIGARRA wrote: for me and Tek disbanding the Sinners of Solitude coalition in 2 hours on TS without even undocking was great content.
so again: this is content only to "you, Tek and SoS coalition".
SAJUK NIGARRA wrote: Look at the dude that stole 600 B worth of crap from SMA and all the drama that followed with attempted coups, etc
haven't heard again. content?
SAJUK NIGARRA wrote: That's content that reaches the community more than a frig 1v1 which, while fun for the two dudes involved, creates nothing for everyone else.
not always 1v1 but gang vs gang. add here influence and you have real content FOR SOME GROUP OF PEOPLE. As all of your contents
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Cearain
Black Dragon Fighting Society The Devil's Tattoo
870
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Posted - 2013.04.22 15:50:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:There is a militia column on your overview. All you have to do is enable it.
I use that. But I meant to see overall what percent of kills comes from faction war. Zkillboard gives this information:
https://zkillboard.com/character/687260122/kills/
So on this first page I have about 19 non fw kills and 29 fw kills. As I said my pvp is almost exclusively in plexes. This shows that 39.5% of my kills are not even in faction war.
https://zkillboard.com/character/687260122/losses/
This shows that 36 losses are from fw and 14 from non fw. So 28% of my losses are from non fw players.
Now I tend to get kills faster than losses (barely) so the losses will be over a longer period of time( losses go to march 15th kills goes to april 7th) I think more and more non fw players are entering plexes. But I would need to look at more numbers to determine this.
Just looking at your first page of losses and kills you are fighting non faction war players about 35% of the time as well.
https://zkillboard.com/character/574390367/kills/
https://zkillboard.com/character/574390367/losses/
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
1319
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Posted - 2013.04.22 16:06:00 -
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I think Lockout was saying there are other things that drive content in Eve, not just kills in low sec. Which is fine. Mining adds content to Eve too. Market manipulation, building stuff as well. So does sitting on a Titan for hours waiting for a bridge. Shooting IHUBS, POS, Sov Grinding, etc.. do too.
Forcing somebody to lose whatever they think is valuable is one of the best content drivers in the game. (I know Lockout agrees)
In this sense, your alliance is doing a great job and it's been real fun helping you guys take down home systems from the Caldari and Amarr. Keep it up! At some point they will either "find something more interesting to do" or lose all self-respect and base out of non-FW systems.
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Cearain
Black Dragon Fighting Society The Devil's Tattoo
870
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Posted - 2013.04.22 16:32:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:..... In this sense, your alliance is doing a great job and it's been real fun helping you guys take down home systems from the Caldari and Amarr. Keep it up! At some point they will either "find something more interesting to do" or lose all self-respect and base out of non-FW systems.
Lose self respect becasue they don't have alts in empty hulls or stabbed defensive plexing? We "respect" different things in this game. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
1320
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Posted - 2013.04.22 16:41:00 -
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It doesn't matter how they justify "finding something more interesting to do", it's just important that they do go "find something more interesting to do".
w.r.t. the other topic, 100% of my kills and losses are FW related and provide "content" for both FW and non-FW players. The high number of both kills and losses are possible because there's little need to do something other than have fun pvp'ing. Even when "orbiting a button for isk", my FW character is out in space and available for fights. |
Cearain
Black Dragon Fighting Society The Devil's Tattoo
870
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Posted - 2013.04.22 17:24:00 -
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Cearain wrote:X Gallentius wrote:..... In this sense, your alliance is doing a great job and it's been real fun helping you guys take down home systems from the Caldari and Amarr. Keep it up! At some point they will either "find something more interesting to do" or lose all self-respect and base out of non-FW systems. Lose self respect becasue they don't have alts in empty hulls or stabbed defensive plexing? We "respect" different things in this game.
X Gallentius wrote:It doesn't matter how they justify "finding something more interesting to do", it's just important that they do go "find something more interesting to do". .
Find somethign more interesting than having an alt orbit a button in an empty atron? I'm not sure thtas possible.
X Gallentius wrote: w.r.t. the other topic, 100% of my kills and losses are FW related and provide "content" for both FW and non-FW players. The high number of both kills and losses are possible because there's little need to do something other than have fun pvp'ing. Even when "orbiting a button for isk", my FW character is out in space and available for fights.
One thing this shows IMO is that fw plexing is finally being recognized as a great pvp format. I think that is why we are finding so many neutral pvpers come into plexes, despite the fact that they can't even make the timer run. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
1320
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Posted - 2013.04.22 17:37:00 -
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Like I said, I don't care how opposing militia members justify leaving FW low sec, just that they do leave FW low sec. If they want to convince themselves that the reason they are losing their home systems is because they don't have afk plexing alts, then great. I don't really care what they think anymore.
It's awesome that everybody is finding pvp in plexes. It's great that guys like me can orbit buttons nearly 100% of the time while also providing content for the low sec pirates. Win/win I say. If there were no rewards involved, I'd have to spend more time earning it out of theater - meaning less content for everybody else. |
Cearain
Black Dragon Fighting Society The Devil's Tattoo
870
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Posted - 2013.04.22 17:51:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:Like I said, I don't care how opposing militia members justify leaving FW low sec, just that they do leave FW low sec. If they want to convince themselves that the reason they are losing their home systems is because they don't have afk plexing alts, then great. I don't really care what they think anymore..
You are sort of in this other universe where faction war sov is not a broken carebear race and it makes sense to brag about winning it.
How do the the top five daily vp gainers' killboards, for the day they earned it, look in your universe?
X Gallentius wrote: It's awesome that everybody is finding pvp in plexes. It's great that guys like me can orbit buttons nearly 100% of the time while also providing content for the low sec pirates. Win/win I say. If there were no rewards involved, I'd have to spend more time earning it out of theater - meaning less content for everybody else.
Our alternate realities come together here. We can both agree on this. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
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Posted - 2013.04.22 17:57:00 -
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Somebody has to win. If you want to engage in FW for the pvp, and make some isk as well then base out of non-fw low sec. If you want to farm, then farm. If you want to base out of FW low sec and still get fights, then become a pirate. If you want to hold a FW low sec system then get organized and do it.
If you want to win FW by taking every system, then bring it. Something for everybody.
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chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
465
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Posted - 2013.04.22 18:35:00 -
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SAJUK NIGARRA wrote: That's content that reaches the community more than a frig 1v1 which, while fun for the two dudes involved, creates nothing for everyone else.
IMO, drama != content. Drama is boring to painful, fighting is fun. Lots of people out looking for 1v1's or small gang fights means there's more content for other people who also want to fight. Obviously though, we have different opinions on what is fun (If you recall the siege of Rakapas, you wanted me to stop telling the squids "You can do it! Come out and fight!" and you were telling them "You've lost, abandon all hope")
First paragraph here is nice from an active thread about FW vs nullsec.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2916181#post2916181
Great thing about eve is - if you want to cause drama and troll people, nullsec is great for that. If you want to undock and have frequent pvp, FW lowsec is great for that. If you enjoy mining to supply people with minerals that generates this content, you can do that too, and a plethora of other things. |
Cearain
Black Dragon Fighting Society The Devil's Tattoo
870
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Posted - 2013.04.22 18:54:00 -
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Low sec pvp is full of men behaving like boys. Null sec drama is full of men behaving like girls. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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