You can get a good idea of how many kills (and losses) are FW player related by looking at eve-kill. Non-alliance Gallente FW has 4380 total kills this month, which would put it at No. 3 on eve-kill behind Goonswarm(6388) and Test Alliance(5782). Add in alliance kills (which overlap with GMVA, some of SPDR, but not so much with RISE, and definitely not with SPCA), and and we'd be really close to Number One. Maybe Amarr or Minmatar would have more kills if their kb included alliances.. .

Plus, you can look at those regions to see who are the top alliances and corporations getting all the kills. Black Rise: Top 4 corporations are militia, 3 of Top 5 alliances are FW. The pirates who make up the rest of the list (Scum, Rainbow Dash Friends, and Ministry of Destruction) feed off of militia quite a bit as well.

lol, single FW systems generate more kills than whole null sec regions.

However you look at it, this seems to show that if you want pvp, FACTION WARFARE low sec is the way to go. Null sec is looking really bad.

RegionNo. KillsNotes
The Forge24481High Sec, Jita
Black Rise23867FW
Delve18931Sov 0.0
Heimatar18487FW
Metropolis18344FW
The Bleak Lands17372FW
Essence16850FW
The Citadel16137FW
Devoid15970FW
Sing Liason14589(Rancer, Eggh)
Placid13219FW
Domain11750Massive Region
Curse10584NPC 0.0

Kills Per Region, and More

First the Negative Whine: Needs to be in sortable, tabular format.
Positives: Freaking Awesome!

FW low sec accounts for 8 of the 13 regions that generated over 10k kills in March. I wonder which feature is generating the most "content" in Eve? (obviously Jita )

Fixed. Unless you meant to say that Solitude is a great place to pvp.

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Hell, for Provi dudes throwing another station means great content,

for me and Tek disbanding the Sinners of Solitude coalition in 2 hours on TS without even undocking was great content.

Look at the dude that stole 600 B worth of crap from SMA and all the drama that followed with attempted coups, etc

That's content that reaches the community more than a frig 1v1 which, while fun for the two dudes involved, creates nothing for everyone else.

There is a militia column on your overview. All you have to do is enable it.

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In this sense, your alliance is doing a great job and it's been real fun helping you guys take down home systems from the Caldari and Amarr. Keep it up! At some point they will either "find something more interesting to do" or lose all self-respect and base out of non-FW systems.

Lose self respect becasue they don't have alts in empty hulls or stabbed defensive plexing? We "respect" different things in this game.

It doesn't matter how they justify "finding something more interesting to do", it's just important that they do go "find something more interesting to do". .

w.r.t. the other topic, 100% of my kills and losses are FW related and provide "content" for both FW and non-FW players. The high number of both kills and losses are possible because there's little need to do something other than have fun pvp'ing. Even when "orbiting a button for isk", my FW character is out in space and available for fights.

Like I said, I don't care how opposing militia members justify leaving FW low sec, just that they do leave FW low sec. If they want to convince themselves that the reason they are losing their home systems is because they don't have afk plexing alts, then great. I don't really care what they think anymore..

It's awesome that everybody is finding pvp in plexes. It's great that guys like me can orbit buttons nearly 100% of the time while also providing content for the low sec pirates. Win/win I say. If there were no rewards involved, I'd have to spend more time earning it out of theater - meaning less content for everybody else.

That's content that reaches the community more than a frig 1v1 which, while fun for the two dudes involved, creates nothing for everyone else.

Low sec pvp is full of men behaving like boys. Null sec drama is full of men behaving like girls.

Somebody has to win. If you want to engage in FW for the pvp, and make some isk as well then base out of non-fw low sec. If you want to farm, then farm. If you want to base out of FW low sec and still get fights, then become a pirate. If you want to hold a FW low sec system then get organized and do it.

If you want to win FW by taking every system, then bring it. Something for everybody.

w.r.t. the other topic, 100% of my kills and losses are FW related and provide "content" for both FW and non-FW players. The high number of both kills and losses

Lose self respect becasue they don't have alts in empty hulls or stabbed defensive plexing? We "respect" different things in this game.

well if these "alts in empty hulls" can make you out then yes.... you NEED to respect something OUTSIDE of your success

I can just accept that the current fw sov game is a silly carebear race and stop caring about it. Thats what the vast majority of people do - even those who are in faction war.

I see no reason why respect needs to be given to people who spend their free time multiboxing alts in plexes and run from every fight.

yea, that's why CCP made stations lockable. To add one more thing to care of.

agree.

However there is another side. Few days ago when we captured Siseide one guy (Rude X of something) brawled in local "i killed 50+ of you and didn't lost anything". This is what i was speaking some years ago too. But i used this criteria for another game: Counter Strike. Eve Online is wider than simple shooter.

In Siseide i didn't care how many ships i lost. And i didn't care if i killed him once or not. I would say more: we mostly ignored him and his friends while was plexing system and forcing amarrians out.
I would say more: we captured this system even being attacked 35+ Tier3 neutral forces, even after RvB frigate attack. We killed hub and now we deplex system and don't let amarrians to take it back.

So all your "FW is dead, only farming alts play" and all such is bull.... Sorry but if you in Eve just for straight pvp then take a look to FPS market. There is lost of games made around pure shooting without any lore and other "garbage".

These are interesting times when other players think that we care whether or not they give us respect. Go, "find more interesting things to do" - or not. We don't care.

In this sense, your alliance is doing a great job and it's been real fun helping you guys take down home systems from the Caldari and Amarr. Keep it up! At some point they will either "find something more interesting to do" or lose all self-respect and base out of non-FW systems.

IMO, drama != content. Drama is boring to painful, fighting is fun. Lots of people out looking for 1v1's or small gang fights means there's more content for other people who also want to fight. Obviously though, we have different opinions on what is fun (If you recall the siege of Rakapas, you wanted me to stop telling the squids "You can do it! Come out and fight!" and you were telling them "You've lost, abandon all hope")

First paragraph here is nice from an active thread about FW vs nullsec.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2916181#post2916181

Great thing about eve is - if you want to cause drama and troll people, nullsec is great for that. If you want to undock and have frequent pvp, FW lowsec is great for that. If you enjoy mining to supply people with minerals that generates this content, you can do that too, and a plethora of other things.

[...Let's start with "drama !=content" . For a lot of people drama fuels the reasons to go out there and pew the living **** out of eachother. I hate to use what is already an overused word, but it provides the narrative. Why do you think that when we took all systems, Ladi had the biggest attendence, had people staying up in the middle of the night, etc ? Sure, partly because it was the last system, but also partly because all the drama and forum sperg over the years created a lot of bad blood and people wanted to see any incarnation of PERVS evicted.


Not everyone finds some mediocre CCP lore reason enough to take part. Surprisingly not everyone finds BC stats reason enough to take part. So this is what drama does, refines in to narrative and gives people a reason to take part. Hell, look at null, there's very little drama left, everyone is buddy buddy with everyone else for years. Result ? No more grudges, no more fights, bar the odd russians who aren't friends with eveyone else due to the language and cultural barrier.....

Oh god, there's so much to answer and my english is submediocre. However I'll try.

First and foremost, I am more than aware this is not an argument I can win in a topic on the unofficial FW forums. Most people posting here are in FW and they are in FW for a damn good reason, they want the instant action and carefree style that it brings. So, definitely not trying to win the argument, rather trying to voice a different opinion, and after spending the last three and a half years in FW, I'd like to kid myself that I have at least a vague clue.


Let's start with "drama !=content" . For a lot of people drama fuels the reasons to go out there and pew the living **** out of eachother. I hate to use what is already an overused word, but it provides the narrative. Why do you think that when we took all systems, Ladi had the biggest attendence, had people staying up in the middle of the night, etc ? Sure, partly because it was the last system, but also partly because all the drama and forum sperg over the years created a lot of bad blood and people wanted to see any incarnation of PERVS evicted.


Not everyone finds some mediocre CCP lore reason enough to take part. Surprisingly not everyone finds BC stats reason enough to take part. So this is what drama does, refines in to narrative and gives people a reason to take part. Hell, look at null, there's very little drama left, everyone is buddy buddy with everyone else for years. Result ? No more grudges, no more fights, bar the odd russians who aren't friends with eveyone else due to the language and cultural barrier.

Without the context, Eve is a mediocre PVP game, outdated graphics, a terribad UI and (less now) massively unbalanced ****. A lot of people, I'd dare say the majority, are playing it for the social experiment, the player driven narrative. Without that, might aswell play Crysis 3 or any other game that has awesome graphics and instant action.


As for the Rakapas siege, sure more fights would've been fun for the 20 of us spinning buttons and watching paint dry. However, taking Raka fast, then beeing able to move further and take all the systems created enjoyment for a lot more people. There's hundreds of people now proud they took part in an event that only happened twice in the history of FW. Should we have thrown that away just because you, me and a few others wanted to kill a 20 more dessies ? Which brings me to the next point.

Our supposedly different definitions of fun. Sure, we do see some things differently, but it's not only that. I find it hard to make the next argument without it seeming like an attack, so I'll just have to rely on the fact that you know I respect you and your opinions. But, to the point.

Selfishness. From an individual's perspective, no one, not even me, will argue that constant round the clock pvp is more fun. However, as I was pointing out to the previous paragraph, once you have assumed a leadership position, be it formal or informal, you have made a commitement to people to also facilitate their fun in game, otherwise they stop logging in. Accepting leadership resposability and then thinking only about your fun is the perfect way to end up with a bunch of inactives.

And last but not least, I can't agree with your staement that nullsec should be for this, lowsec for the other, etc. If people like us want to engage in BS fights in low, well, why not, and conversely, if you want to go roam in a caracal in sovspace, who am I to say no ? The ideea of progression trough PVE highsec > small gang lowsec > large fights and politics in nullsec is so unimagginative and opposed to a sandbox that it makes me cringe.

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