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Rocketfeller Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2013.04.15 18:40:00 - [1] - Quote I seriously need to know if EVE is beyond my capabilities. I have been playing for several hours each week for three months now, and I currently have almost nothing to show for it. I am trying to find my niche in the game, but so far the only thing I am good at is losing. I do want to like the game, but I can't help thinking that I am "doing it wrong" and I'm not so sure I can be cured. How long does it generally take to get the hang of the game? I started out well enough, running all the tutorial missions and getting the free ships. Then I stupidly lost my destroyer in a mission, sold my other ships to replace it, and then lost that one as well. Maybe I could have done better with practice. Since I had to start over, I thought I'd give mining a try, as even though it is boring, it seemed safer. That went slowly, but I kept at it and managed to make a little ISK, and eventually worked my way into a retriever, which cost me everything I had. I was much more productive, but within a few days I was blown up by a ganker (in high sec), and lost the ship and my pod. All I had left was a few days worth of ore I had mined before losing the ship. I know, I know, don't fly what you can't afford to lose. But moving into a mining barge as quickly as possible seemed like an intelligent decision for a miner, except in hind sight. I was upset at myself for risking and losing everything I had - for the second time - and didn't play again for a week. I decided to try a more peaceful career as a trader. I scraped together all the money I could and started looking for items I could buy cheaper and sell higher. I found that I could pretty easily make a little profit of 5 or 10%, but soon ran out of capital and order slots. The stuff that I could afford to buy was not very expensive, so even a 10% return wasn't giving me as much as I had been making mining. I decided that was just a temporary problem, and that once I accumulated more capital I would be able to make bigger trades with my limited slots for more profit. So I kept working at it, and also started moving items between stations to take advantage of price differences. I discovered Eve Central, which let me find the best deals and the best markets. I thought I had figured out how to play, and was making a more decent amount of money. Within a month I had a wallet with over 400 million in it. And then I found a trade that beat all the trades before by turning my 400 million into 500 million - 25% in one trip. If you know how this part of the story is going to end, then congratulations to you, because I did not. It turns out the 500 million buy order was a fake. When I tried to sell, the order was immediately deleted. Only then did I find out there were no other buy orders for even 10 million. After doing a little research, I found out this is a common scam made possible by the fact that the market allows orders to remain visible even after the money put up to fill them is gone. I fully accept that the loss is on me, because I stupidly overpaid for the item. But it was an expensive way to learn that the EVE markets contain fake orders. I knew I had to watch out for other players, whether in ships or on the other side of trades and contracts. I just didn't know that the market mechanism couldn't be trusted, either. So I'm back to square one. Again. Because of repeatedly making expensive mistakes. Don't get me wrong - I am not crying about the losses. Well, I guess in a way I am, but I don't blame anyone for where I am except me, and I accept that newbies will make expensive mistakes. The question is whether this is an unusual level of stupidity, and whether I should try once more or am I likely to keep repeating my failures? I know I'll probably get replies that say "Yes. You are too stupid to play Eve." And to be fair, I asked for it. But if what I have experienced is par for the course and is just part of the learning curve, please let me know that, too. I know how to start over and I am willing to do it, but only if I think I have a chance to keep what I earn. All criticism is accepted. Constructive criticism is appreciated.
Khira Kitamatsu 516	Posted - 2013.04.15 18:45:00 - [2] - Quote What can I say - "Welcome to EVE" - ? :) Ponies!-á We need more ponies!
Haulie Berry 393	Posted - 2013.04.15 18:45:00 - [3] - Quote Nah. The fact that you're questioning yourself instead of blaming the game for failing to babysit you already puts you miles ahead of most people.
Chandaris Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel 305	Posted - 2013.04.15 18:45:00 - [4] - Quote IMO, Join a corp with active players who offer playstyle you're interested in. Even if you want to 'go it alone' in the long run, being able to ask people who are trustworthy questions is an invaluable part of the learning experience in eve, and can save you from making more costly mistakes. 9 years in, i still make stupid mistakes, and learn new things almost every day. Eve is a very complex game, you don't really 'get good at it' one day, you just slowly and surely 'get less bad at it' if you keep chipping away. Good luck.
ElrondMD Macabre Votum Northern Coalition. 1	Posted - 2013.04.15 18:47:00 - [5] - Quote Your not at square one, your learning. the fun in the game comes from making enough mistakes to start surviving :)
Kalanaja Dog Nation United ProtoStar Federation 36	Posted - 2013.04.15 18:52:00 - [6] - Quote It's part of the learning curve. Mining without being ganked is possible. Avoid largely traveled areas, stay aligned to a station, watch local and your surroundings, bookmark the asteroids you want to mine and warp to them but set your self up to where you have a clear route. For trading and contracts check everything. Look for average prices of items. It's not the easiest game in the world and mistakes will always be made. Even the oldest vets still make booboos.
Stegas Tyrano glu canu Open Space Consultancy 359	Posted - 2013.04.15 18:55:00 - [7] - Quote Everything you've done I did too. I've lost count of how many frigates/cruisers I lost when I first started and left with practically 0 isk to get myself set up again. There are alot of resources you can use to help you make isk and stay alive, use Battleclinic to find some cookie-cutter mission fits, use eve-survival to make sure you don't die in missions. Set-up PI on some planets with this guide. and use dot-lan to find systems with the planets you want to PI with. Herping your derp since 19Potato --á[Proposal] - Ingame Visual Adverts
Nova Satar Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships. 129	Posted - 2013.04.15 18:57:00 - [8] - Quote Join a corp! You're progress will leap forward!
Frank Millar 138	Posted - 2013.04.15 19:00:00 - [9] - Quote Well, you had 400 mil at a certain time, so you were doing something right. Who says you can't do it again? Just be slightly paranoid, have a little patience and check everything twice. You'll be fine.
Minerva Zen Swords of Valor 23	Posted - 2013.04.15 19:04:00 - [10] - Quote Haulie Berry wrote: The fact that you're questioning yourself instead of blaming the game for failing to babysit you already puts you miles ahead of most people. This. It's not so much about smarts, but patience and persistence. The BIG lesson here is not to bet something you could not lose; the 400 million ISK on one item. As long as you look inward for what you can adjust about yourself to make better choices, you'll go far. Your ability to make 10% on trades is harder than you might think. I, for one, tried it and can't do it. It's hard to beat someone who never quits.
Fredfredbug4 Eve Defence Force Tribal Band 690	Posted - 2013.04.15 19:05:00 - [11] - Quote Losing everything, picking up the pieces and trying to figure out how to stop it from happening again without complaining and asking CCP to make the game easier? Nah, you're not too stupid for EVE, infact, that's the very attitude an EVE player should have. The learning curve in EVE is harsh and brutal, but once you overcome it it's smooth sailing from there. You're already doing great from my book. Sure you lost a lot, but you gained knowledge and knowledge is probably the most important thing you can have in this game. I've played this game, activitely, for about 1.5 years now and I still have absolutely no clue what I'm doing. I've witnessed veteran players who have played for years and years just learn something new. The best part of EVE is that it never gets old, there is always something you haven't tried and there is always something new to encounter. The best advice I can give is to keep trying and look for a corp of like minded people. You might want to go solo, but there are corps out there made up of solo players who will be willing to extend a helping hand, because no matter what, eventually you will need someone else's help in EVE, it is an MMO after all. I accidentally my assets, is this bad?-á
Shadime State Protectorate Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.04.15 19:08:00 - [12] - Quote I expected some very nasty comments in true evoforum style and left surprised. Quite some civil and constructive answers. But eve is not very fun without the people. join a corp to help you out, eve-university for a variety of stuff, or RVB for pvp. or some player corp, but do a bit of research and don't be too naive Good luck
Haulie Berry 394	Posted - 2013.04.15 19:09:00 - [13] - Quote Also, for all of your future trading endeavors, just remember to heed the conventional wisdom regarding things that seem too good to be true. The margin trading scam you fell victim to is only one of MANY trade-related scams.
SamuelK The Concilium Enterprises Extinction Level Event. 6	Posted - 2013.04.15 19:12:00 - [14] - Quote Sounds to me like you're an explorer. I had near on the same issues as you starting out, until i trained probing skills. It was slow at first, grinding what little there is to be had in high security space, until i befriended a low sec corp and now worrying about isk is a thing of the past. I can ply my pirate trade and not worry about losing a dozen ships. Eve is my oyster. Don't give up. You'll find your corp. You'll forge your path. Eve will be your oyster.
Azurae Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.04.15 19:13:00 - [15] - Quote well now that you got hit by almost everything bad that could happen in highsec i guess you'll know how to avoid it. got ganked. flew a ship you couldnt afford to lose and lost it and got scammed. just within 3 months, congrats ;-). now you've learned "never fly what you can't afford to lose", you have learned "if a deal is too good to be true it probably is" and you've learned "don't trust anyone anywhere" (meaning stay aligned and dont accept contracts/trades that look to good ;-) ). now you still have something left to learn in highsec and its got something to do with the last thing you learned so maybe it won't happen to you. but just to be sure here it is "never pay something to join a corp, its a scam" and never give your stuff away for "transport into corp/ally space" ;-) just never trust anyone if the worst that could happen would have a significant impact on you. now as the others have said, this is part of the learning curve, tbh you are a bit dumb because learning one of those should have made sure you didnt get hit by the other stuff if you had done your research but still at least you kept trying and are making your way. keep on playing, join a corp and just be more careful ^^
ShahFluffers Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance 2212	Posted - 2013.04.15 19:15:00 - [16] - Quote Rocketfeller wrote: How long does it generally take to get the hang of the game? Lemme give you some sage-like advice; You never will. No, seriously. As soon as you establish yourself, become comfortable with what you are doing... BAM! Someone or something comes along and broadsides you. EVE Online is pretty much a perpetual exercise in "Murphy's Law." The real trick is in learning how to "ride it out"... or "roll with the punches" (which you seem to be doing very well). And at some point... while adapting to the situation in front of you... if you have that little bit of belligerent fire in your soul... you will learn to [b]relish[b] this aspect! The only concern I have is this; have you joined a [good] corp/alliance? The social aspect is not to be underestimated. In many ways, being able to talk well with others (especially those you feel comfortable with) will not only give you a sense of community and people to ***** and laugh to... but it will sometimes open doors to places that you alone would not have access to. Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective.
Stonkeep Osmanli Empire 15	Posted - 2013.04.15 19:15:00 - [17] - Quote This game requires continues learning and research. Every part of the game needs extensive knowledge to be succesful. I feel like you are a good player, you just need to learn that you need to make a lot of research before you get into something. First you need to choose what you enjoy more. Trading, mining, mission running, manufacturing, exploring etc. etc. After you chose you need make good amount of research and try to learn as much as possible for that specific field. In short amount of time you will get better and reach your objectives. Everyone makes mistakes, just don't make too big of mistakes. Also, if something sounds too good to be true, it most likely is. btw, I sent you 50mil to help you start over. Good luck.
Shane Saken Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.04.15 19:17:00 - [18] - Quote Haulie Berry wrote: The fact that you're questioning yourself instead of blaming the game for failing to babysit you already puts you miles ahead of most people. This is absolutely true. I am on my third try of eve over the past few years and i feel like i finally have the right mindset. I have realized a bit that atleast for a new player, less is more. Personally i would have said not to rush into a retriever esp with considering the Venture is an awesome mining ship for new players starting out and dabbling into mining. While the rule of do not fly what you cant afford to replace is true. I also go by the rule of do not fly what you can barely fly skills wise. That is like a 16 year old who just got his license jumping into a a brand new corvette thinking hes got this down. Slow and steady is the state of mind i am having right now and i am having a good experience so far. What got my interest when i first started again was the Corax, the Caldari's new destroyer. The way it is intended to be played really grabbed me but i made sure to level all the proper skills to fly it effectively, not just fly it. Research i ket i have learned for new player in this game. If i had not researched what i wanted to fly and how to effectively fly it, i would have had no idea the Corax is meant to shield tank and probably would have thrown armor reinforcers on the low slots.
CompleteFailure Polaris Rising Gentlemen's Agreement 23	Posted - 2013.04.15 19:18:00 - [19] - Quote Nova Satar wrote: Join a corp! You're progress will leap forward! ^^THIS! A thousand times this. You're playing an MMO, get yourself involved with ohter people :) Kesper North for CSM8
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 13603	Posted - 2013.04.15 19:18:00 - [20] - Quote You've heard the old saying about how the wise man knows that he knows nothing? Well, there you go GÇö you're well on your way. Rocketfeller wrote: I decided to try a more peaceful career as a trader. I scraped together all the money I could and started looking for items I could buy cheaper and sell higher. I found that I could pretty easily make a little profit of 5 or 10%, but soon ran out of capital and order slots. The stuff that I could afford to buy was not very expensive, so even a 10% return wasn't giving me as much as I had been making mining. Admittedly, trading is a bit different, but to put those profits into perspective, manufacturing often operates on a 1GÇô5% ROI, and as you correctly hypothesise, your problem (if you can call it such) is largely one of slots and capital. There are basically two ways of making tons of money from trading: lots of trades on multiple products for small margins, or long trades to catch higher margins. Both require lots of slots to let you have all the trades going that you need, and in both cases, the margin ends up being quite small so it's more a matter of high investment + large volume = high profit in absolute termsGÇª but relatively speaking, it's all the same. Vote Malcanis for CSM8.
Shane Saken Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.04.15 19:20:00 - [21] - Quote Stonkeep wrote: btw, I sent you 50mil to help you start over. Good luck. And its players like this that give us noobs a fighting chance that has such a intense learning curve.
Gogela Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance 2396	Posted - 2013.04.15 19:21:00 - [22] - Quote I almost quit at 3 months because all I seemed to be able to do was get my butt kicked over and over again. 7 years later I still get my butt kicked over and over again... I've just found a way to make a living at it. +PGêç+P \|-áGèò \| -ë-û-ë
Flurk Hellbron Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 286	Posted - 2013.04.15 19:24:00 - [23] - Quote Many off us started like you and many of those still are playing. I even have fun losing a lot off isk in a way that's new to me....
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 8681	Posted - 2013.04.15 19:30:00 - [24] - Quote Rocketfeller wrote: I seriously need to know if EVE is beyond my capabilities. I have been playing for several hours each week for three months now, and I currently have almost nothing to show for it. I am trying to find my niche in the game, but so far the only thing I am good at is losing. I do want to like the game, but I can't help thinking that I am "doing it wrong" and I'm not so sure I can be cured. How long does it generally take to get the hang of the game? When it clicks, it clicks. And don't worry - some outstandingly stupid people in EVE seem to thrive well enough. Really, it's not so much about intelligence as attitude. Please vote for me for CSM8-áhere My recommended voting list
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 8681	Posted - 2013.04.15 19:32:00 - [25] - Quote Rocketfeller wrote: All criticism is accepted. Constructive criticism is appreciated. EVE is all about life lessons. You know those stupid boring cliche bits of advice that old people like to give out? "If it looks too good to be true it is", "Everyone's got an angle", "Follow the money", etc etc. Well in EVE they're all true. Please vote for me for CSM8-áhere My recommended voting list
mechtech Ice Liberation Army 301	Posted - 2013.04.15 19:34:00 - [26] - Quote As a new player, knowledge about how Eve's systems work is far more valuable than any amount of isk you can reasonably make as a new player. I know it sucks to lose 50m when that's all that's in your wallet, or even 500m as a month old player, but in time these losses will be meaningless. I've lost everything I had 3 times: once due to a pirate, once due to an IPO scam, and once due to not playing for 6 months and buying plex. But now, I can make a loss on a trade valued at 10x those losses, and it's no big deal. Granted, I've been playing since 2005, but you'll soon find that your experience will start to give you a momentum that can't be stopped by petty scams and gankers. Eventually you will have multiple accounts to PVE with, corp/personal connections to easy income, trading knowledge, etc. As a new player, just focus on learning the game, and try not to worry about isk too much ;) Now, if you said that you were just grinding lvl 3/4 missions, I wouldn't have bothered to write this, but each time you took a hit you tried out a new system (mining, trading, etc). That's how a true Eve player approaches the game, and playing this way means that adversity will only make you a more capable player in the end.
Rocketfeller Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2013.04.15 19:39:00 - [27] - Quote Stonkeep wrote: ...btw, I sent you 50mil to help you start over. Good luck. Thanks very much - I'm grateful. I hope it didn't sound like I was asking for handouts - I really wasn't. I try to be self-reliant (and I know that can be a fault sometimes, and that joining a corp as suggested would be a better idea than trying to go it alone). But I'll do my best to make your contribution grow and eventually pass it on to another newbie down the line. New lesson for me: Not everyone in EVE means me harm, at least not ALL the time...
Jonah Gravenstein Khalkotauroi Defence Labs 8031	Posted - 2013.04.15 19:42:00 - [28] - Quote Losing everything you have hurts, but the OP has the right attitude. He's gotten back up and tried again, that puts him way ahead of the curve when it comes to newbies. Eve hooked me on my 4th trial, Apocrypha had a lot to do with me getting it. I've weathered a Ponzi Scheme and a margin trading scam (my first billion, decimated to 250mill) so far, respect is due to the scammers though, the ponzi was very professionally done, and the margin trading scam relies on your greed. A war hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside.
Jenn aSide STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries 1634	Posted - 2013.04.15 19:56:00 - [29] - Quote Haulie Berry wrote: Nah. The fact that you're questioning yourself instead of blaming the game for failing to babysit you already puts you miles ahead of most people. You probably just need to find some friends who can give you a little bit of advice about some of the less intuitive aspects of the game. So much this.
Harbonah A-OK Logistics and Fabrication StoneGuard Alliance 36	Posted - 2013.04.15 20:02:00 - [30] - Quote Rocketfeller wrote: Stonkeep wrote: ...btw, I sent you 50mil to help you start over. Good luck. Thanks very much - I'm grateful. I hope it didn't sound like I was asking for handouts - I really wasn't. I try to be self-reliant (and I know that can be a fault sometimes, and that joining a corp as suggested would be a better idea than trying to go it alone). But I'll do my best to make your contribution grow and eventually pass it on to another newbie down the line. New lesson for me: Not everyone in EVE means me harm, at least not ALL the time... I've contracted you a Covetor mining vessel. Sell it or use it, makes no difference to me. It's sitting in my hanger gathering dust and I'm tired of staring at it. Sometimes.... it stares back at me

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