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Captain Tardbar NEWB ALERT 283	Posted - 2013.04.15 22:04:00 - [61] - Quote Seems like you have failed in all EVE professions except scamming. You might want to try that for the fun of it, but here are some other tips... Since you are paying the $14.95 a month anyways (which you are no obviously making enough isk to pay for a plex) consider setting asside $15 or $30 bucks and buy a plex. You'll have plenty of capital to play with. There are two routes which you can take at that moment.... You can go back to mining, but this time go to battleclinic and fit some decent tank. I have a miner alt who has a 26K effective hp mack that mines ice. I get scanned every now and then, but they see my tank and they go find easier targets. If I were to get ganked it would probaly take 3 tornados or several catalysts. If they do gank me, I know for the fact they had to put a good deal of money into it and congrats for all their effort in spending all that money to kill me. There is the odd bumper, but if you orbit the roid or ice they can't do anything. Secondly, you could go back to missioning. With 1 billion or so isk you have a bit of captial to work with. I would recommend a lazy passive tank fit drake (search battleclinic) and then run mission 3's until you are comfortable with that. (Try level two's until you are bored though first). Then you can move on to levle 4's or so on. There is a third route that many take.... Which might be of more interest. Instead using plex to make more isk, you could invest your isk into cheap frigs (again check battleclinic) and join faction warfare and play around with that. By purchasing frigs, your 1 billion isk from purcashing plex will go a long way so you probaly won't need to do again maybe a few months. Or if you find a nice corp that helps you that works as well. Be prepared to be awox'ed though so refrain from flying expensive ships until you can trust your corp mates (of course they might let someone bad in at random down the road). "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down.
Derrick Diggler Jovian Labs Jovian Enterprises 2	Posted - 2013.04.15 22:05:00 - [62] - Quote Too stupid? No. I lost my Retriever as well when i was very young :). Made me go to higher sec for a while until i made it up. Yesterday, after 3-4 years I have been playing this game for, i have driven for the first time into a WH. Scanned a Grav site, realised i have nothing to actually do anything there, could not do any sites and have almost got blown up by a POS set up in there. Next step? Get a better ship to go in there :). When i lose it? Make it up and do it again :) :) :). Good luck and welcome to EVE >
Warpshade Warped Industries 49	Posted - 2013.04.15 22:05:00 - [63] - Quote Some people will say Eve is all about ISK, I would argue Eve is all about experiences; I guess that could be compatible with the griefers moto of Eve is about tears; tears being the experience of seeing a cearbear cry in local. You may have lost 400+Million in ISK, but you have gained experience and you are learning, adapting...You sound perfect for Eve, you're already way ahead of many newbies in regards to attitude.
Rocketfeller Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 10	Posted - 2013.04.15 22:07:00 - [64] - Quote Galaxy Pig wrote: ...If I may offer a bit of personal advice, buy a PLEX dude. I highly recommend to all new players, buy 1 PLEX instead of doing all that noob-grind bulls***. Why, so I can buy more ships for you to blow up? (That was a joke, not tears.)
Captain Tardbar NEWB ALERT 283	Posted - 2013.04.15 22:10:00 - [65] - Quote Rocketfeller wrote: Galaxy Pig wrote: ...If I may offer a bit of personal advice, buy a PLEX dude. I highly recommend to all new players, buy 1 PLEX instead of doing all that noob-grind bulls***. Why, so I can buy more ships for you to blow up? (That was a joke, not tears.) Well buy a ship with a fit not worth blowing up in high sec. Seriously, when I started I bought a few plex, got implants, got a drake and a raven and went to town on missions. Raven's aren't so good for missions these days but you could buy something better. Though I'd recommend playing mission for a while until you are used to the mechanics. "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down.
Garresh Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 100	Posted - 2013.04.15 22:22:00 - [66] - Quote Don't buy a plex. Bad advice. Learn to stand on your own merits. Also Google a lot. Others have made mistakes before. Learn them. Now my advice is very straightforward. Find something you enjoy. Find something you can do and not have it feel like a grind. If you find that you will have no money issues. My strength was that I kind of naturally fell into scanning and evasion as my main skills. So within 2 weeks of starting eve I ninja salvaged and speed tanked when mission runners shot at me. Then I started doing high sec exploration and even lowsec. I occasionally popped or got caught but I enjoyed it so much and made it work. anyways you need to find your natural strengths. Things you're good at from the get go, and play to those. Sounds to me like you suck **** at mining, and you blow nads at missions, but you can trade well. Maybe its time you focus on that. One scam doesn't break your record. You pulled off a lot of good trading. I didn't have 400 mil til around 5 months in. This Space Intentionally Left Blank
Ivoto Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 16	Posted - 2013.04.15 22:24:00 - [67] - Quote Amongst all the ramble in OP, i noticed a quiet "PLZ NERF DA GANK". 1/10 sir.
Shao Huang University of Caille Gallente Federation 72	Posted - 2013.04.15 22:35:00 - [68] - Quote OP, you have played longer than I have. I have taken it as a starting condition that I am definitely too stupid to play this game and that the EVErse is full of people much smarter, craftier, more dedicated, more experienced, more psychopathic (maybe) than I am or ever will be. I love this about the game. Here is a list of Lincoln's failures for your consideration. Personally I feel you are off to an excellent start. 1831 - Lost his job 1832 - Defeated in run for Illinois State Legislature 1833 - Failed in business 1834 - Elected to Illinois State Legislature (success) 1835 - Sweetheart died 1836 - Had nervous breakdown 1838 - Defeated in run for Illinois House Speaker 1843 - Defeated in run for nomination for U.S. Congress 1846 - Elected to Congress (success) 1848 - Lost re-nomination 1849 - Rejected for land officer position 1854 - Defeated in run for U.S. Senate 1856 - Defeated in run for nomination for Vice President 1858 - Again defeated in run for U.S. Senate 1860 - Elected President (success) "Those you see over there, with their long arms. Some of them have arms well nigh two leagues in length."-á"Take care, sir," cried Sancho. "Those over there are not giants but windmills."
Tariz The Terrible Centurion Systems Ltd. 0	Posted - 2013.04.15 22:38:00 - [69] - Quote You may want to consider joining an organization such as EVE University, Brave Newbies, or RvB. Any of these would be a good choice, with EVE-U offering you organized classes on a wide range of topics covering pretty much everything in EVE. RvB would be your best choice to learn if PVP is your thing, and BN if you prefer a less structured, fun focused option.
Captain Tardbar NEWB ALERT 284	Posted - 2013.04.15 22:38:00 - [70] - Quote Garresh wrote: Don't buy a plex. Bad advice. Learn to stand on your own merits. Also Google a lot. Others have made mistakes before. Learn them. Now my advice is very straightforward. Find something you enjoy. Find something you can do and not have it feel like a grind. If you find that you will have no money issues. My strength was that I kind of naturally fell into scanning and evasion as my main skills. So within 2 weeks of starting eve I ninja salvaged and speed tanked when mission runners shot at me. Then I started doing high sec exploration and even lowsec. I occasionally popped or got caught but I enjoyed it so much and made it work. anyways you need to find your natural strengths. Things you're good at from the get go, and play to those. Sounds to me like you suck **** at mining, and you blow nads at missions, but you can trade well. Maybe its time you focus on that. One scam doesn't break your record. You pulled off a lot of good trading. I didn't have 400 mil til around 5 months in. Well its bad advice if you buy plex and blow it all up within a few days. And I've known a few players who spend hundreds of dollars that way (it helps CCP i suppose) which IMO is a bad way to play the game. But if its painful to log in because you can't afford any ships worth a damn, then it is an option to consider. Or would you consider spending hours to acheive the same task. Consider that if you arne't making at least minimum wage prices with your isk per hour and if you don't really enjoy doing it then maybe you should consider buying a plex. If you make more in a hour working a real job, then maybe buying a plex in game isn't so bad if you aren't making even close to the amount needed. If you do enjoy the time spent, then by all means. Hell, I have a pretty crappy isk per hour ratio but I'm enjoying my time listening to Bach, Mozart, and Beethoven and doing redundant tasks in EVE. I have no need to buy a plex and if you don't need to then don't bother. But when I started out, it made a night and day difference to getting started. Buying a retriever is an expensive ordeal for a month old player (or at least all their money is tied up in it). If you bought a plex its not such a big deal. Think of it this way.... Is it going to take a month to acheive X task to buy Y ship? If it takes you a month, your spending the $14.95 anyways, so why not take a shortcut because you are going to spend the money anyways. That said, if you are going to get ganked (which is probaly because you had a bad fit) you are wasting your time AND money. What you need to learn first and foremost in this game is how not to die. Perhaps it will take a bit of trial and error, but once you figure out how not to die then the game becomes different. (crap so busy typing that I almost forgot to turn on my shield booster and almost died but anyways) That said, becoming averted to dying is also a down fall. It restricts you from dying in pvp sometimes. I guess the best suggestion is learn how not to die stupdily. Learn how to die with gravitas. That means go to low sec looking for a fight, but when you die be at a state in which you die knowing you died for a good fight. If you are dying everytime you undock your miner in high sec, you are doing something wrong. Either you are in a bad place, or you have a bad tank. Either move or get a better fit. Beyond that I do recommend if you are serious about playing EVE that sometimes a plex helps out to make things not so horrible when you have a loss. But if you blow 500 million isk in two days you are doing something wrong. "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down.
Tau Cabalander Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs 1720	Posted - 2013.04.15 22:59:00 - [71] - Quote Rocketfeller wrote: To be honest, I struggled for a while before taking responsibility for falling for the margin trading scam. My first reaction was that it was just not fair. Then I asked myself what is this "fair" you are thinking about? If something looks fair in EvE, be suspicious. EvE = Everybody vs. Everybody Rocketfeller wrote: 2. If "fake" orders are an intended feature of the game, why is that fact a secret until it bites you? But then I gradually came to accept it, and to own my mistake. EVERYTHING in EVE is a secret! I used to wonder why there is no manual for EVE. It's because a cold, harsh universe has no instruction book. The market mechanics are what they are. I can't change them. All I can do is learn about them. And learning is sometimes expensive. At least, that's the way I see it. It isn't a secret. Margin scam market orders are quite obvious actually: if it looks too good to be true, it is a scam. Obvious traits of margin scams: * Buy order with a large minimum quantity. * Buy order significantly above the market price of the item anywhere else. * Sell order significantly above the market price of the item anywhere else, typically within 3 jumps of buy order. Google-ing: site:eveonline.com margin trading scam For example, I found this: Margin Trading Scam - A Guide
Rocketfeller Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 12	Posted - 2013.04.15 23:02:00 - [72] - Quote Ivoto wrote: Amongst all the ramble in OP, i noticed a quiet "PLZ NERF DA GANK". 1/10 sir. I don't want to change anyone's play style except my own. Getting ganked was not what I expected (or wanted), but it happened to me because of the choices I made. Hopefully I'll know better next time.
Rocketfeller Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 13	Posted - 2013.04.15 23:08:00 - [73] - Quote Tau Cabalander wrote: ...Google-ing: site:eveonline.com margin trading scam For example, I found this: Margin Trading Scam - A Guide... So if I had known to search for "margin trading scam," I would have found information about margin trading scams? How incredibly helpful! You're right - it isn't a secret after all. No really, while I may not have been clear, I was saying those were the things I was thinking before I accepted it was my fault.
Karl Hobb Stellar Ore Refinery and Crematorium 1555	Posted - 2013.04.15 23:23:00 - [74] - Quote Shao Huang wrote: Here is a list of Lincoln's failures for your consideration. Personally I feel you are off to an excellent start. 1831 - Lost his job 1832 - Defeated in run for Illinois State Legislature 1833 - Failed in business 1834 - Elected to Illinois State Legislature (success) 1835 - Sweetheart died 1836 - Had nervous breakdown 1838 - Defeated in run for Illinois House Speaker 1843 - Defeated in run for nomination for U.S. Congress 1846 - Elected to Congress (success) 1848 - Lost re-nomination 1849 - Rejected for land officer position 1854 - Defeated in run for U.S. Senate 1856 - Defeated in run for nomination for Vice President 1858 - Again defeated in run for U.S. Senate 1860 - Elected President (success) 1865 - Ganked in theater while AFK. Should have been paying attention to the game... Professional bad guys were unfortunately not available so instead they sent me. Voter response is quite good this time around: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-qCaz2OlMecY/UWhTTh_NfFI/AAAAAAAAPOE/ryjfQkApycs/s1600/05.jpg
Tau Cabalander Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs 1720	Posted - 2013.04.15 23:31:00 - [75] - Quote Rocketfeller wrote: Tau Cabalander wrote: ...Google-ing: site:eveonline.com margin trading scam For example, I found this: Margin Trading Scam - A Guide... So if I had known to search for "margin trading scam," I would have found information about margin trading scams? How incredibly helpful! You're right - it isn't a secret after all. No really, while I may not have been clear, I was saying those were the things I was thinking before I accepted it was my fault. You jumped over the most important point: if it looks too good to be true, it is a scam. Ask yourself, "If this looks so good, why haven't others already taken advantage of it? i.e. Why are the orders not filled?" Another general one that can be asked is, "Is there anything I should watch out for on the market?". That's the sort of thing asked in corp chat. Barely a week goes by that somebody doesn't ask about margin scams in the Market forum. You do read that forum, as you were actively trading, right? Heck, feel free to send me an EVE-mail and ask me anything. I regularly answer random questions people send my way.
Oracle of Machina Legion of Darkwind Order of the Void 1	Posted - 2013.04.15 23:49:00 - [76] - Quote A well-articulated post with a well-thought out message and not a thinly-veiled bitchfest or whiny complaining? I think not, sir. As a fellow noob, I actually am pretty impressed by your progress thus far. You did make a massive mistake, but you learned from it. I'd also be wary of anything that looks too good to be true, as stated by multiple people, and find a good corporation that will help you in whatever you are interested in. There are a lot of good noob corps out there, that actively teach people the basics of the game and how to succeed in it. There are also a lot of bad ones, as well, that take advantage of your status and neglect to tell you about little details like wardecs, faction warfare, or just rip you off blind. The most valuable commodity in this game is trust, not ISK. Don't trust anyone completely, and always look after your own interests as much as possible. If you can make 400 million out of nothing in less than a month, then you can do it again, and better, and with more wariness. There's quite a few resources out there for you to get used to playing the game, some of which are third-party programs, some of which are wiki's, and market resources. Everything is at your fingertips to succeed, just have to find it. Good luck, and if you have questions, ask!
Kelvan Hemanseh Hole Exploitation Inc. 34	Posted - 2013.04.16 00:04:00 - [77] - Quote Rocketfeller wrote: How long does it generally take to get the hang of the game? You never get the hang of it. You'll always be learning, go with the flow.
Rocketfeller Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 18	Posted - 2013.04.16 00:08:00 - [78] - Quote Oracle of Machina wrote: ...The most valuable commodity in this game is trust, not ISK. Don't trust anyone completely... There are so many contradictions in EVE. I am trying to reconcile not trusting people with joining a corp. I don't know anyone in RL who plays EVE. Any corp I join will be total strangers, and I won't trust them, nor will I expect them to trust me. Now I guess this is another case of taking a limited risk in order to gain. I should probably stop thinking about it so much and jump in. I am a loner by nature, both in RL and in game, and that can be costly in both places.
Georgina Parmala Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 62	Posted - 2013.04.16 00:24:00 - [79] - Quote All I will add is when the newness and pursuit of wonder wore off I started the pursuit of wealth. And it started killing the game for me. I found an inverse relationship between making money and having fun. Look at what you want to do based on how much you will enjoy it, not by how many zeroes it will add to your wallet. If you do it right, it should generate sufficient income in the process to keep you going.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 13608	Posted - 2013.04.16 00:34:00 - [80] - Quote Rocketfeller wrote: Oracle of Machina wrote: ...The most valuable commodity in this game is trust, not ISK. Don't trust anyone completely... There are so many contradictions in EVE. I am trying to reconcile not trusting people with joining a corp. I don't know anyone in RL who plays EVE. Any corp I join will be total strangers, and I won't trust them, nor will I expect them to trust me. Now I guess this is another case of taking a limited risk in order to gain. I should probably stop thinking about it so much and jump in. I am a loner by nature, both in RL and in game, and that can be costly in both places. There's a distinction to be made between trusting people at all and trusting them completely. Dipping your toes into a corp means doing a little bit of the former while staying the hell away from the latter. In more practical terms, this means, by all means, join them and fly with them, but don't assume that they're your Just-add-water InstaFrendsGäó. Don't store all your private stuff in their hangars, even though they suggest it will help their logistics people move the stuff around more easily. Still maintain your own solutions and back-up plans, should the corp stuff fall through (and I don't even mean that they take your stuff GÇö it could just be that you couldn't attend on move day and now have to transport yourself and your stuff in whatever way you can). Don't abandon your own means of making money and building and trading and [whatever] just because someone in the corp can supposedly do it for you. If they really are baiting you, give them nothing to bite on, and if it turns out that they're ok, they'll offer new opportunities to accumulate whatever you need later. Even without the paranoia, it's almost always better to leave stuff behind for later and simply build up new stockpiles where you're going than to try to bring everything along. This is a common error with new players in particular: the thinking that GÇ£oh, but it's not much stuff, so I can easily move itGÇ¥GÇª and if they happen to have come across scammers, they lose everything. The better thought is GÇ£oh, but it's not much stuff, so there's no reason to drag along by stuff I can trivially gather laterGÇ¥. In short: trust is valuable and takes time GÇö as such, it's not something you want to go GÇ£all inGÇ¥ on, but it's also not something you should disavow completely. Vote Malcanis for CSM8.
Georgina Parmala Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 62	Posted - 2013.04.16 00:47:00 - [81] - Quote Rocketfeller wrote: There are so many contradictions in EVE. I am trying to reconcile not trusting people with joining a corp. I don't know anyone in RL who plays EVE. Any corp I join will be total strangers, and I won't trust them, nor will I expect them to trust me. Now I guess this is another case of taking a limited risk in order to gain. I should probably stop thinking about it so much and jump in. I am a loner by nature, both in RL and in game, and that can be costly in both places. True story. I know someone who robbed his own real life brother in EvE. And I don't mean took a ship or something, robbed his corp blind. Just a bit of competitive "i beat you at a game" kind of thing. Not to scare you off from socializing - that's the best part of this game - but knowing people in real life does not preclude them from screwing with you in games. Let alone this one. Joining a corp is good. But like everything else in EvE, do your homework. -Do they have experienced players or just a pile of noobs with blind leading the blind? -Do they actually do what they advertise? Corps that say they do everything often do nothing. -Do they do what you want to do during your play time? They might only do what you're after while you are at work/asleep. -Make sure you have a clear understanding of what they expect from you and what they offer in return. -If you find you don't like what they do, or they don't let you do what you want, don't hesitate to leave and try something new. -Do they have a history of friendly fire incidents on the killboards? -Is it too easy to get in? If it is, it's also too easy to get in for someone looking to shoot friendlies in the future (ie: you) -Take their advice with a grain of salt. They might be trying to scam you or just be bad at the game themselves. Google is your friend. -Don't put any significant amount of assets at risk until you know what is what. Last thing you want to do is pack everything you own into a hauler and follow someone to wherever they're leading you. If they want you to move, travel light. You can get the bulk of your assets out there later by courier contracts if it does work out. If they offer to move your stuff for you, make sure it's a contract with collateral to cover the value.
Stonkeep Osmanli Empire 18	Posted - 2013.04.16 00:49:00 - [82] - Quote Rocketfeller wrote: Oracle of Machina wrote: ...The most valuable commodity in this game is trust, not ISK. Don't trust anyone completely... There are so many contradictions in EVE. I am trying to reconcile not trusting people with joining a corp. I don't know anyone in RL who plays EVE. Any corp I join will be total strangers, and I won't trust them, nor will I expect them to trust me. Now I guess this is another case of taking a limited risk in order to gain. I should probably stop thinking about it so much and jump in. I am a loner by nature, both in RL and in game, and that can be costly in both places. You can play this game as a loner if you want it to, there are many who play this way. However, if you play solo the amount required for most everything will be higher. You will need to do a lot of research, get knowledgeable in the game faster and be extremely careful about what you do. Think quite a bit before you do anything really. There won't be anyone who will help you when things go wrong. A good corp will make all these things much easier/quicker. You can ask questions and get advice from older players. If you lose a ship you can get a ship for free. You can do in-game activities with others which in turn makes it more productive. Trust is earned, not given. Also, playing with others usually more fun.
Sharon Anne School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 18	Posted - 2013.04.16 04:01:00 - [83] - Quote You need grit to play EVE. Its not a sprint, its a stroll in the park with an occasional run like hell.
Robus Muvila GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 200	Posted - 2013.04.16 04:22:00 - [84] - Quote Didn't read this thread, didn't need to. The fact that you are capable of introspection to ask a question like that in the first place already puts you above the majority of pubbies in this game. Don't let the difficulty cliff get you and you'll go far. http://themittani.com - Because EvE has needed a proper news site for ages
dark heartt I Own Four Sheep The Methodical Alliance 83	Posted - 2013.04.16 04:42:00 - [85] - Quote OP I must confess... I came here for tears. But after reading your post I need to tell you to stick with it. I'm sure the overwhelming majority of responses have been the same as this, just after a quick look at page 1. If more new players came to Eve with the mindset that you have, then we would keep more new players. You are not entitled. you don't come across as whiny. You research things yourself (such as finding Eve-Central). You don't blame others for mistakes that were made, and you seem to pick yourself up after each of them. You are now at that balance point I found myself in after about 4 months, where you say to yourself, "Can I really play this game?" The answer to that question is YES! The fact that you wrote what you did shows that you are extremely capable of playing this game. We all made mistakes. If someone says to you I never made one mistake in while playing Eve, they either played for a week, got bored and left, or they are lying to you. In fact I made the same sort mistakes you did while missioning and mining to start with. Stick with it bro. You'll be a fantastic addition to someone's corp, or hell you'd be a fantastic corp CEO one day. Good luck!
pussnheels The Fiction Factory 1133	Posted - 2013.04.16 05:13:00 - [86] - Quote [quote=Rocketfeller]I quote] Welcome to EvE First thing i want to say Rome wasn't build in a day a,nd neither is your EvE succes take your time to find your niche only advice i can give donot try everything all at once , probably a mistake many new players do like i said keep exploring all the facets of the game and eventually you find your niche BTW EvE isn't really that hard there is just so much of it and you need to discover it yourself I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire
Harbonah A-OK Logistics and Fabrication StoneGuard Alliance 40	Posted - 2013.04.16 06:18:00 - [87] - Quote Just because you are paranoid doesn't mean they are not trying to kill you....... Anyhow, if you look at Isk as a form of disposal entertainment, you'll never have to worry about how much other players steal from you.
Rain6639 Team Evil 247	Posted - 2013.04.16 06:21:00 - [88] - Quote OP we're all different All I do is missions by myself, in high sec, and it's plenty entertaining. makes a lot of ISK, also, because I use my LP for LP store items to use among my ships or resell. I have five accounts. You're already participating in market far deeper than I ever have. The only market activity I've initiated is orders of tens of thousands of drones at a school station/1.0 security system because it was my base of operations and no one else was selling drones there (and buying drones from my own order cost nothing, was convenient, etc). I did not make any ISK in the endeavor, and after the contract expired I donated 14,000 caldari light drones to the EVE Santa event organized by another player. you're also posting on the forums after just three months? you're far ahead of where I was at 3 months. EDM? you mean EFM
Vera Algaert Republic University Minmatar Republic 870	Posted - 2013.04.16 07:42:00 - [89] - Quote Rocketfeller wrote: Tau Cabalander wrote: ...Google-ing: site:eveonline.com margin trading scam For example, I found this: Margin Trading Scam - A Guide... So if I had known to search for "margin trading scam," I would have found information about margin trading scams? How incredibly helpful! You're right - it isn't a secret after all. No really, while I may not have been clear, I was saying those were the things I was thinking before I accepted it was my fault. If you approach EVE with this mentality you will only learn through failure - which, I guess, is effective but expensive. What I did during the first 2-3 months in EVE was that I read everything about EVE I could get my hands on. I didn't wait for something to happen to me and then started reading up on it, I didn't select based on what I thought would be my goals in this game, I just read every guide I could find starting with the stickies in each forum section. A lot of the guides I read were outdated (I started playing shortly after the nano nerf) and I didn't fully understand many of them as I was lacking context/experience - but I just kept reading. In my opinion this is the way a solo player should approach EVE if he wants minimal pain. If you are part of a corp things are fundamentally different (but I only joined a corp after I had 3.5m SP) and if you are fundamentally opposed to using OOG resources then you'll have to learn the hard way, but for the lone wolf the first weeks of playing EVE are mostly reading about EVE. Of course you can't look up "margin trading scam" if you don't know that such a thing exists. But between reading GD, C&P and MD regularly you would almost certainly have stumbled about a description of this scam within any given week. TEST alt - don't trust.
Vera Algaert Republic University Minmatar Republic 870	Posted - 2013.04.16 07:52:00 - [90] - Quote Other games are based around intelligence, dexterity, ... EVE is to a very large part about knowledge. TEST alt - don't trust.

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