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Kirjava
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Posted - 2013.04.15 19:50:00 -
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Isn't it the 10th anniversary of Faluja?
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Kirjava
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Posted - 2013.04.15 19:59:00 -
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Islam uses a Lunar calender, I wonder if that does anything to the anniversary.
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Kirjava
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Posted - 2013.04.15 20:01:00 -
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Third explosion, I think we can take it as a given its a terrorist attack now.
Live Boston Twitter feed.
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Kirjava
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Posted - 2013.04.15 20:33:00 -
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Good luck, godspeed Anya.
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Kirjava
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Posted - 2013.04.16 10:05:00 -
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3 this time, I daresay the perps are underachievers compared to 9/11.
Why bother cowering in fear when you can continue as usual with a spot of common sense in hand. I always thought our response to terrorism was the wrong direction, by all means tighten security but ceding over lumps of rights for safety? Whose safety, seems like our MP's used a chunk of that safety over the expenses issue.
The bomber will always get through.
Boston o7
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Kirjava
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Posted - 2013.04.16 10:23:00 -
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Aye, come together in defiance of this. Unfortunately many more seem to be adamant to blame those protecting them more than the perps themselves.
Civic duties noted to be learned from in this : First Aid is something that should be taught in schools and need to find a class for myself... Only 3 dead, that ladies and gentlemen is what happens when competent medical assistance is sitting right ontop of a terrorist attack.
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Kirjava
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Posted - 2013.04.16 12:09:00 -
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One of the oddest theories that's turned up is that it was an MIT prank that went FUBAR as part of the holidays celebrations.
The blame game is human nature, after an attack identify the attacker. Even then, knowing the media exists I was guessing who they would be blaming based on history. The Boston Police were doing this, a Saudi man was near the explosion and is in hospital under police custody, he isn't a suspect but they reasonable believe people might blame him and take it out on him.
We live in a fractured world where people can and will attack each other for reasons real, imagined or blown out of proportion, and this is a reason I believe to perpetuate terrorism, especially the suicide kind. Ethnic tensions can be put to high alert when this happens, and the harder way to solve it is solidarity and not play into tribalism.
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Kirjava
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Posted - 2013.04.16 12:22:00 -
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Not quite sure what to make of my own thought process. As an Engineer my first thought was to start seeing if there might be a market for explosive proof bins, my home city has virtually none in the city center and the IRA used such tactics too.
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Kirjava
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Posted - 2013.04.16 14:09:00 -
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Graygor wrote:
An effective system would need national service, which would be anathema to some in Western orientated individualistic societies.
I'd vote for it, and I'd be conscripted straight into it.
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Kirjava
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Posted - 2013.04.16 23:29:00 -
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Anya Kilbor : Out of Pod's resident Badass.
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Kirjava
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2013.04.17 14:01:00 -
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Aaron Kyoto wrote:Micheal Dietrich wrote:Kirjava wrote:Not quite sure what to make of my own thought process. As an Engineer my first thought was to start seeing if there might be a market for explosive proof bins, my home city has virtually none in the city center and the IRA used such tactics too.
Explosive deterrent may be a better idea unless you want to make it impossible to put garbage in it. SWAT boxes are completely enclosed containers where the item is placed inside and sealed or they are lowered on top of the item and bolted to the ground. I though about hardened swing doors on the bin that would keep the blast inside because the pressure from the blast would press the door against the rim but I also realize that people tend to pack public trash cans to beyond full so it wouldn't really help the situation. Personally I think designing the can so that it directs the blast straight up would be an ideal bet, and unless you are the one unlucky SOB to have his hand in the bin the damage could be minimal. You could consider a hard plastic or other material that warps under shock, so that the bin would essentially absorb the impact and inflate to contain the explosion. This would likely require some kind of seal or other method. Or as you suggested, upwardly direct the blast. The problem with some materials is, while they are strong a sudden blast can buckle or splinter them dangerously. Which is why softer, warping materials could be better? I'm no expert with explosives, obviously. Additionally; Thank you to all medical professionals and first responders, heroes all.
The concept desighn we had was to filter potential fragments while directing the force upwards. 2 metal layers with a shock absorber gel anchored onto a reinforced concrete block in the ground to keep it all anchored. Open base form this to a concrete outer layer with a baffled air gap to let the force bleed off with as much of the fragments internalized.
Dunno if it will come to anything or not, fair few explosive bins on the market already it seems but they didn't look to be street bins more than ones for disposing of bombs found.
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Kirjava
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Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.04.18 20:33:00 -
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silens vesica wrote:Graygor wrote:I'd rather not see the beast wake up. Last time it awoke, two sovereign nations were toppled, and the hangover yet lingers on in the form of Hellfire missiles. From inside teh beast, I too hope we are allowed to slumber on.
On the other hand we can note that in both cases the UN was in favor of intervention. In Afghanistan every nation in Europe was out for vengeance too, and Russia was on side. The Taliban were systematically breaking international law and when push came to shove they didn't think they had to own their irresponsibility. They had the option to allow NATO and UN forces to pursue Al-Querida and instead resisted.
In Iraq there was over a decades worth of sanctions the regime was not abiding by. If the UN did not enforce sanctions why should anyone take it seriously?
The incompetence of the subsequent occupations are another matter entirely.
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Kirjava
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Posted - 2013.04.18 20:56:00 -
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silens vesica wrote:All true, and yet a LOT of people not directly connected to the crimes died for things they had nothing to do with. Needless death is needless death. There were, even back then, alternative means for gutting the responsible parties.
Aye, that was part collateral damage, but there was systemic failures of understanding that lead to the issues. Iraq was something the League of Nations cooked for the sake of occupying 3 provinces of the former Ottoman Empire under the British Mandate. It was a legal fiction not a nation, the 2003 occupation would have worked better had Iraq been broken into these three provinces as independent states. Suddenly no civil war, or a greatly reduced one as Baghdad does not control Kurdistan.
Again, Afghanistan and Iraq were invaded by the United Nations, which required it pass the votes of the General Assembly and the entire UN Security Council. I'm annoyed that it has been passed off as the fault of the Coalition and NATO as opposed to those that authorized that exact force.
I wonder about our intelligence services sometimes, a brief history of Iraq shows this.
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Kirjava
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Posted - 2013.04.18 21:12:00 -
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silens vesica wrote:Kirjava wrote:silens vesica wrote:All true, and yet a LOT of people not directly connected to the crimes died for things they had nothing to do with. Needless death is needless death. There were, even back then, alternative means for gutting the responsible parties.
Aye, that was part collateral damage, but there was systemic failures of understanding that lead to the issues... Yup. Which is why I don't want anything happening that would cause us to wake up and stretch forth our club again. Cause we ve got a BIG club, and it crushes more than just the people we mean to crush - and we don't frequently know exactly who to crush. The UN is not really a good place to hide behind, when making justifications. An angry and determined USA can (and did) wag a VERY big dog - most especially the UN. OTOH, we do have some very capable, very violent fellows available that if given good intelligence can really ruin some bad guys' days - without blowing up wedding parties in the process.
I just want to be clear I am trying to look through the rationality and have put my own opinions to the side for this.
The drone strikes have to be reeled in on there could very well be a counter campaign against the US. Blowback and what not is real, the more the US pushes the more it should expect to be pushed back. 9/11 for instance was a counter to US domination of the Mid-East. The Arab nations have repeatedly attempted to deal with Israel and every time Israel is able to operate under US defense, yielding said Mid-East nations unable to deal with a problematic neighbor as equals.
I know many an Arab, many not even Islamic and it all comes back down to Israel. Easiest way for the US to protect its citizens within its borders would be to hold Israel to the account of the UN.
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Kirjava
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Posted - 2013.04.18 22:08:00 -
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silens vesica wrote:
]The US will never hold Israel to account unti the various national, semi-national, and non-national forces opposing the existance of Israel concede Israel's right to exist and act on that concession.
Which they won't.
Impasse.
This is mainly because of the settlements in nominal Palestinian territory. I've heard stories first hand that were it not for the US supporting Israel would result in heavy UN sanctions. Even Israel doesn't take the US seriously when it asks for peace treaties and stopping building the settlements. This is a core issue in the Mid East, and has to be dealt with if we can realistically hope to work towards peace.
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Kirjava
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Posted - 2013.04.19 12:29:00 -
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What I find odd is that 4chan had it nailed in the first few hours. Seriously I was on the threads and it was picked apart thoroughly, and that's one of the guys identified.
Now I get to watch as the conspiracy theorists who were analyzing this one in real time, get it right and see the law enforcement follow it. If they realize that if this happened a week ago, they would be finding every excuse under the sun why it couldn't be them.
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