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Doujima
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Posted - 2005.09.18 20:08:00 -
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Just to sum up the excuse being offered here: He was dishonorable, this made you lose respect for him. The corp retaliated with another dishonorable act, and you expect people to not lose at least a bit of respect for the corp as a whole?
You sank to his level, like it or not. Did he deserve it? Probably, but is that the only way you could pull off a bit of revenge?
You want us to see him as a villian, but the actions of the corp don't exactly paint this is a good vs. evil battle.
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sirbest
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Posted - 2005.09.18 20:10:00 -
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I find the response from low life pirets to this very amussing indeed.. you call it lowest of te low what they did and every other word.. lmfao you guys are to funny
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ParM1zaN
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Posted - 2005.09.18 20:29:00 -
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i dont see how that makes sense eddz i really dont.
How can anybody trust you to uphold A 1V1 and not just say "oh and except for you" afterwards.
Trust is VERY important in the mercenary business and i feel like you just lost a great deal of it.
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spRAYed
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Posted - 2005.09.18 20:30:00 -
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1v1 should never expand no matter what..if some corp feels too good to not keep its word cuz this person is a ******* in their eyes and cuz they'd get their *** whooped.
Lame...it is 
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Nanus Parkite
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Posted - 2005.09.18 20:58:00 -
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If you want to get back at someone whos taken advantage of it then use your heads. Dishounoring a 1 vs 1 is not just tit for tat its plowing a furrow straight through any etiquette that might still exist between combat pilots. Whatever you might say the only way KIA can come out of this with the same kind of rep is a very public punishment of those involved not words in their defence.
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Arnov Karsoth
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Posted - 2005.09.18 21:02:00 -
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Edited by: Arnov Karsoth on 18/09/2005 21:03:15
 Originally by: KIAJugger
The KIA pilots involved here used the fact that he agreed to a 1vs1 to gank his ship.
End of story, tbh.
that kinda speaks the truth about your corp and its credibility then.
let it be known that KIA can never be trusted in any matter since they have no honor and respect even for agreements they themselves put forward and agrees to.
no one should be hiring these lame scammers in the future as they are very likely to steal your money, shoot you instead, fake killmails, totally invent stats of a contract all the time while chilling inside a station.
is that what KIA is all about?
i thought it was otherwise but hey youre the one who shows how much respect you and your corp want to have from others.
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Stratego
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Posted - 2005.09.18 21:22:00 -
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Edited by: Stratego on 18/09/2005 21:23:59
Originally by: Blacklight
Backing out on a 1v1 for any reason whatsoever instantly classes you in the lowest of the low scumbag category.
It's completely out of order, makes you look like a complete twonk and leaves a nasty stain on your corp's reputation.
It's one of the few things in Eve that really makes my blood boil.
Shame on you.
Quoted for truth.
Originally by: TekRa
TIO always deserves it tbh. 
You only say that because youre jeallus he didnt 1vs1 you. ;)
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Blacklight
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Posted - 2005.09.18 21:23:00 -
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Originally by: KIAJugger
I will be actively hunting TIO and his corp (which is all him, tbh) and make him regret the day he pulled that kind of stunt against us.
Which is exactly the right way to go about it, to be honest all the 'flannel and excuses' about why this is an exception and is therefore ok look just like what they are 'flannel and excuses'.
So he was a twerp in the way he ganked 3 of your guys and instead of "actively hunting TIO and his corp" like any corporation with some self respect would do you sunk to his level or lower, backed out of a 1v1 to gank him and then you all stand by your members who did it? To be honest thats weak and looks very bad.
You've done yourselves and your reputation no good whatsoever with this guys and as mercs your reputation should be everything to you. One things for sure if I was looking for a merc corp to hire I wouldn't want to be associated with one that pulls stunts like this beause I'd be wondering if I could trust you.
I am certainly not KIA bashing for the sake of it, I like a lot of you guys, I've always enjoyed the friendly rivalry and name calling between BNC and KIA, I most certainly do not have a reason to smear you but you're publically making a mess of this which is inviting criticism and comment.
Eve Blacklight Style
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2005.09.18 21:45:00 -
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KIA,
You are making a mess of this.
We honour 1v1's except with this guy cos hes a ****. What kind of message is that? You lost the moral highground when you stooped to his level.
Many people tar the actions of the individual with those of the corp.
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Weco
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Posted - 2005.09.18 22:37:00 -
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Edited by: Weco on 18/09/2005 22:38:41
Originally by: KIAEddZ
This was a very personal issue, between an ex corp mate and his ex corp, and as such is not bound by any such honour laws in my persoanl opinion.
Youre a mercenary, you should know that your personal opinion doesent matter here, only future clients matter 
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If ANYONE has ever been offered a 1v1 by KIA, other than TIO, and had that agreement broken, then post here, with the pilots that acted dishonourably, and I will deal with the matter personally.
So you show honour to certain pilots but not all? Thats a new way of honour indeed 
I know you wont answer, to bad cause me likes drama hehe
EDIT: Blacklights first post in the thread was really good, pretty much sums up my wiev on ppl breaking 1on1's.
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Jasmine Constantine
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Posted - 2005.09.18 23:12:00 -
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Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 18/09/2005 23:13:58
Extremely poor. If you arrange a 1v1 duel you keep it as you promised or your name is mud. There are no excuses. I think pretty much everyone agrees on that.
What's the point of calling the guy a pirate and using that as a justification for betraying your word?
I've know pirates that always honour 1v1s and alliance "good guys" that cheat. End of the day the labels mean absolutely nothing - its just reputation that counts.
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Kaleeb
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Posted - 2005.09.18 23:53:00 -
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Well i can understand why he dishonoured the 1vs1, but it is dishonourable to do so and does put a blackmark on the pilots names.
I`d like to point out that if i was a client i wouldnt hesisate in using kia, i`d want them to hurt my enemy anyway they could and tbh wouldnt overly care about the whole honour thing.
The idea of a merc (on my opinion) is to get the job done at any cost. Remember mercs arent supposed to be frikin white knights 
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Uggs386
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Posted - 2005.09.18 23:58:00 -
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tbh, it does hurt the kia reputation because by not kicking the member's who dishonoured it they are saying it is ok. But just my opinion.
DJ shows his true feelings.
James Kavourias > just need a **** break soon:P
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The Clash
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Posted - 2005.09.19 00:32:00 -
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If you would only know ;)
Ah well , these forums shows pretty much yer all a bunch of CS genaration folks tbh .
Dont care , flame away , Im famous !
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Arnov Karsoth
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Posted - 2005.09.19 01:14:00 -
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Originally by: The Clash
If you would only know ;)
Ah well , these forums shows pretty much yer all a bunch of CS genaration folks tbh .
Dont care , flame away , Im famous !
why would anyone trust you when you cannot hold your word on a 1v1 even?
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Nira Li
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Posted - 2005.09.19 01:22:00 -
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nanana running kia yarr 
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Crimson Djinn
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Posted - 2005.09.19 01:25:00 -
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Originally by: The Clash
If you would only know ;)
Ah well , these forums shows pretty much yer all a bunch of CS genaration folks tbh .
Dont care , flame away , Im famous !
And dishonoring a 1on1 is mature?
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2005.09.19 02:15:00 -
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Originally by: The Clash
If you would only know ;)
Ah well , these forums shows pretty much yer all a bunch of CS genaration folks tbh .
Dont care , flame away , Im famous !
As opposed to a corp jumping in to defend liars?
CS ftw?
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Trevedian
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Posted - 2005.09.19 02:19:00 -
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Challenging someone to a 1v1 and dishonoring it is LAME! I have had the same done to me (and I got revenge about 9 months later, Trev doesn't forget that dung).
Regardless of his excuse he is lame and KIA will lose face unless they take action against him.
Sex0r > you're bounty turns me on.. you seem like the kind of amarrian to dominate me
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Legenda
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Posted - 2005.09.19 02:24:00 -
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Originally by: Trevedian
Challenging someone to a 1v1 and dishonoring it is LAME! I have had the same done to me (and I got revenge about 9 months later, Trev doesn't forget that dung).
Regardless of his excuse he is lame and KIA will lose face unless they take action against him.
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Darax Thulain
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Posted - 2005.09.19 04:08:00 -
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Dishonoring 1v1's is the lowliest crappy trick a guy can ever do in EVE.
I had it done to me twice, and I was bloody ****ed each time since both persons were from RP corps.
Ishos Rerajan of PIE
Flotwell of AMAX
May they both be trolled and mocked forever.
At least GeoNoSis tried to excuse himself, those who did it to me never did.
Darax
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Trepkos
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Posted - 2005.09.19 04:37:00 -
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Me.
I never fight fair. Why should I?
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Sobeseki Pawi
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Posted - 2005.09.19 04:56:00 -
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Originally by: The Clash
If you would only know ;)
Ah well , these forums shows pretty much yer all a bunch of CS genaration folks tbh .
Dont care , flame away , Im famous !
Are you trying to make it worse?
Count me out for KIA respect.
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xOm3gAx
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Posted - 2005.09.19 06:04:00 -
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Edited by: xOm3gAx on 19/09/2005 06:06:56
Originally by: KIAEddZ
Okies. Been out all day, just been shown this thread.
What has transpired here is not a "breaking" of a 1v1 agrrement an any form of the traditional sense, and such acts would be more than just frowned upon by myself, and are not the way KIA handsle themselves.
This was a very personal issue, between an ex corp mate and his ex corp, and as such is not bound by any such honour laws in my persoanl opinion.
If ANYONE has ever been offered a 1v1 by KIA, other than TIO, and had that agreement broken, then post here, with the pilots that acted dishonourably, and I will deal with the matter personally.
No KIA person will post on this thread again, we are not interested in a flaim war, with people knocking a situation they know nothing about.
Tio, I am emarrassed for you, pity as you know I always held a great deal of respect for you ideals.
Fly safe.
I'm not trying to get into the middle of this but I still gotta say it because a 1v1 match was agree'd upon between said pilots there was a breaking of the arrangement. If the 1v1 had ended and the KIA guy who fought him had lost and then the other pilots warped in and ganked him it would be a dif story as then it is merely a case of revenge, which is understandable (doesnt look good but definatly doesnt look as bad as breaking a 1v1 agreement) both pilots (your guy and tio) both stated that it was a 1v1 agreement and hence forth the 1v1 was broken, so you are now only making a contradiciary statment making your corp look worse. Thats just my 2 isk on the matter, personally I wont be caught dead in a 1v1 arrangment with anyone in KIA corp especially after your statment.
(edit) Im not saying you guys are bad at what you do i just think the 1v1 shouldnt have been broken until he lost after that then the 1v1 is over and your free to kill without risking honour. (/edit)
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poisoner orbius
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Posted - 2005.09.19 08:02:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Dishonoring a 1v1 for any reason is LAME.
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Avon
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Posted - 2005.09.19 10:33:00 -
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So, what do we learn about KIA in this thread?
Some of its members lack honour.
They can't control the actions of their members.
They lack discipline.
The have no understanding of the value of reputation.
Try as hard as I might, I can't see a way in to turning this in to an effective advertising campaign for a mercenary corp.
KIA's "justifications" in this thread come as quite a shock to me, I honestly thought they were better than this.
Seriously, what sort of outfit would be desperate enough to hire these guys?
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LWMaverick
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Posted - 2005.09.19 11:38:00 -
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Yeah okay.. it isnt quite fair, BUT i dont know what happend and why.
So im gonna ****.. and imo so should you guys.
KIA still has my respect..
Over and out
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Jasmine Constantine
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Posted - 2005.09.19 11:52:00 -
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Originally by: LWMaverick
Yeah okay.. it isnt quite fair, BUT i dont know what happend and why.
So im gonna ****.. and imo so should you guys.
KIA still has my respect..
Over and out
lol the answers in the thread mate. KIA decided they really didn't like the guy so didn't have to honour 1v1s with him. That means they were happy to arrange the 1v1, happy for the guy to gang up and meet one of their boys for the fight, but once it was clear their boy was losing the fellah slipped the gang, re-ganged with his mates and brought them in to gank the thread-starter.
Speaking from personal experience I do know they like their ganks and vendettas too. I think they consider Jericho Fraction an everlasting -10 "hate us till the servers go out" style standing also, so I'm guessing I should stop challenging them to 1v1s as well
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Fred0
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Posted - 2005.09.19 12:02:00 -
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Well, there's clearly more to this than a normal 1 vs 1. Therefore I wouldn't pass the same judgement on this fight as I would on any normal 1 vs 1.
If you are looking for an excuse to go after them like tio obviously do. Then sure this is a good opportunity but I think anyone who knows KIA will still respect them and believe that they will continue what is normally honorable behaviour.
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EVE DHL
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Posted - 2005.09.19 12:08:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
So, what do we learn about KIA in this thread?
Some of its members lack honour.
They can't control the actions of their members.
They lack discipline.
The have no understanding of the value of reputation.
Try as hard as I might, I can't see a way in to turning this in to an effective advertising campaign for a mercenary corp.
KIA's "justifications" in this thread come as quite a shock to me, I honestly thought they were better than this.
Seriously, what sort of outfit would be desperate enough to hire these guys?
What do you expect when their own CEO support it ? Go 1VS1 with them and whenever they dishonor it, you bet you will get an excuse for it :). He will probably say :
"Oh because of <fill in the blanks>, it is not a "breaking" of a 1v1 agrrement an any form of the traditional sense, and such acts would be more than just frowned upon by myself, and are not the way KIA handsle themselves.
This was a very personal issue, between <fill in the blanks>, and <fill in the blanks>, , and as such is not bound by any such honour laws in my persoanl opinion.
If ANYONE has ever been offered a 1v1 by KIA, other than <Fill in your name here>, and had that agreement broken, then post here, with the pilots that acted dishonourably, and I will deal with the matter personally."
See what I mean?
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