Originally by: GeoNoSiS

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As i said in convo , if it were anyone else then the 1v1 would of been honoured...

Another thing to get clear .... last we hear TIO is anti pirate etc etc , so earlier while chasing a wolf and punisher around we find them at a planet and TIO warps in , going by his 4.9 sec status we all assumed he was here to help.. Evidently not the case..... 2 frig and 1 cruiser losses later everyone was a bit confused. He then says he is now a pirate.

Being the fact that i actually dont like the guy "after being in the same corp with him may i add" we decided to give him what he deserved...

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Originally by: GeoNoSiS

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As i said in convo , if it were anyone else then the 1v1 would of been honoured...

Another thing to get clear .... last we hear TIO is anti pirate etc etc , so earlier while chasing a wolf and punisher around we find them at a planet and TIO warps in , going by his 4.9 sec status we all assumed he was here to help.. Evidently not the case..... 2 frig and 1 cruiser losses later everyone was a bit confused. He then says he is now a pirate.

Being the fact that i actually dont like the guy "after being in the same corp with him may i add" we decided to give him what he deserved...

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Originally by: GeoNoSiS

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Yeah i dunno if you noticed he links to that in his orignal post :/

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Originally by: WarMechJH

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In before the lock :)

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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Dishonoring a 1v1 for any reason is LAME.

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Originally by: M0rphine

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TIO -....

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Originally by: M0rphine

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TIO - You talk of honour and yet you can't even honour your own words....

Here is an extract from one of your posts on the KIA Forums...
"i want to be known in the community as the 'good guy' of eve, ive had enough of experienced pvp corps war dec'n carebear/nube corps, and want to offer my assistance to these corps, so my future plans are to go back to an NPC corp, maybe form my own 1 man corp and fight the good fight vs empire pirates/griefers"

So it is kind of clear that you would not 'obviously be KOS' to use your words, especially being a former member of our ranks.

We saw you were in local and thought nothing of it... right up until you BBQ'd one of our cruisers etc in your geddon.

So that's the good fight then?

This thread is simply pointless.

Admin locky ftw ?

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Originally by: M0rphine

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We saw you were in local and thought nothing of it... right up until you BBQ'd one of our cruisers etc in your geddon.

So that's the good fight then?

This thread is simply pointless.

Admin locky ftw ?

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Originally by: Plim

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I have talked to TIO many times on TS. He is a nice guy, and anyone who would hold a personal grudge against him must bit of an ass tbh.

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Originally by: GeoNoSiS

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I dont believe it was because he came a pirate the 1v1 was dishonoured but hey

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Originally by: darth solo

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celestial apocalypse... stay out of this post.. im sure KIA and TIO can sort it between themselves.

My apologies KIA.

d solo.

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Originally by: darth solo

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celestial apocalypse... stay out of this post.. im sure KIA and TIO can sort it between themselves.

My apologies KIA.

d solo.

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Originally by: Tjakka

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You left our corp because you wanted to HUNT pirates.
Now were bussy killing some outlaws and you go help them???? is that antipirate?? gank your ex corp m8's
I know its lame to break a 1vs1 but tbh you deserved to get your ass killed.

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DISHONOURING A 1v1 FOR *ANY* REASON IS LAME!

Originally by: "KIAHicks"

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Really this is between Genonsis and TIO. Fair enough post your comments about it but trying to paint the entire of KIA with the same brush is really showing your lack of logic. Although people are generally all too happy to jump on the KIA bashing bandwagon so heyho.

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Originally by: "KIAHicks"

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Perhaps if some of you took a little bit of time rather than just taking the first oppertunity to bash you'd consider things from Geo's point of view. Has anyone actually considered that Geonisis just made a bad call whilst seeing red? No, I guess it couldn't be that simple, it had to have been pre-meditated and pure evilness that made him do it, in fact its standard KIA opperating policy to dishonour 1v1's, yes that must be it....

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Originally by: KIAHicks

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Rest of this post is aimed at the other posters and not Darth.

Really this is between Genonsis and TIO. Fair enough post your comments about it but trying to paint the entire of KIA with the same brush is really showing your lack of logic. Although people are generally all too happy to jump on the KIA bashing bandwagon so heyho.

Perhaps if some of you took a little bit of time rather than just taking the first oppertunity to bash you'd consider things from Geo's point of view. Has anyone actually considered that Geonisis just made a bad call whilst seeing red? No, I guess it couldn't be that simple, it had to have been pre-meditated and pure evilness that made him do it, in fact its standard KIA opperating policy to dishonour 1v1's, yes that must be it....

oh well, hope everyone feels a bit better now :)[/qoute]

quite honestly nobody is "bashing" kia here and they must be operating under that policy as any corp that have a different policy would have kicked him by now

pre-meditated or not its the lowest of lows and the actions of members will allways reflect on the corp

so its pretty simple having a member like that makes the corp look bad and un-respectable no matter how bad the call was

and btw i have no reason to bash kia what so ever u may think no matter which corp does this they will be just as lame

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Originally by: KIAHicks

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Really this is between Genonsis and TIO. Fair enough post your comments about it but trying to paint the entire of KIA with the same brush is really showing your lack of logic. Although people are generally all too happy to jump on the KIA bashing bandwagon so heyho.

Perhaps if some of you took a little bit of time rather than just taking the first oppertunity to bash you'd consider things from Geo's point of view. Has anyone actually considered that Geonisis just made a bad call whilst seeing red? No, I guess it couldn't be that simple, it had to have been pre-meditated and pure evilness that made him do it, in fact its standard KIA opperating policy to dishonour 1v1's, yes that must be it....

oh well, hope everyone feels a bit better now :)

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Originally by: Weco

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Oh those 5 KIA pilots really messed up KIAs reputation And unless the CEO of the corp kicks them its gonna leave a stain on the corp as a whole. To bad.

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Originally by: Thnikkaman

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Originally by: Weco

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Oh those 5 KIA pilots really messed up KIAs reputation And unless the CEO of the corp kicks them its gonna leave a stain on the corp as a whole. To bad.

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Kicking is a bit harsh, maybe a bit of a slap. I think they need to somehow make the OP forgive them and let it go. Considering he came all the way to the forums and posted this, it may be a bit of a challenge.

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Originally by: KIAJugger

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The KIA pilots involved here used the fact that he agreed to a 1vs1 to gank his ship.

End of story, tbh.

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Originally by: Blacklight

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Backing out on a 1v1 for any reason whatsoever instantly classes you in the lowest of the low scumbag category.

It's completely out of order, makes you look like a complete twonk and leaves a nasty stain on your corp's reputation.

It's one of the few things in Eve that really makes my blood boil.

Shame on you.

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Originally by: TekRa

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TIO always deserves it tbh.

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Originally by: KIAJugger

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I will be actively hunting TIO and his corp (which is all him, tbh) and make him regret the day he pulled that kind of stunt against us.

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Originally by: KIAEddZ

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This was a very personal issue, between an ex corp mate and his ex corp, and as such is not bound by any such honour laws in my persoanl opinion.

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If ANYONE has ever been offered a 1v1 by KIA, other than TIO, and had that agreement broken, then post here, with the pilots that acted dishonourably, and I will deal with the matter personally.

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Originally by: The Clash

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If you would only know ;)

Ah well , these forums shows pretty much yer all a bunch of CS genaration folks tbh .

Dont care , flame away , Im famous !

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Originally by: The Clash

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If you would only know ;)

Ah well , these forums shows pretty much yer all a bunch of CS genaration folks tbh .

Dont care , flame away , Im famous !

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Originally by: The Clash

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If you would only know ;)

Ah well , these forums shows pretty much yer all a bunch of CS genaration folks tbh .

Dont care , flame away , Im famous !

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Originally by: Trevedian

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Challenging someone to a 1v1 and dishonoring it is LAME! I have had the same done to me (and I got revenge about 9 months later, Trev doesn't forget that dung).

Regardless of his excuse he is lame and KIA will lose face unless they take action against him.

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Originally by: The Clash

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If you would only know ;)

Ah well , these forums shows pretty much yer all a bunch of CS genaration folks tbh .

Dont care , flame away , Im famous !

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Originally by: KIAEddZ

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Okies. Been out all day, just been shown this thread.

What has transpired here is not a "breaking" of a 1v1 agrrement an any form of the traditional sense, and such acts would be more than just frowned upon by myself, and are not the way KIA handsle themselves.

This was a very personal issue, between an ex corp mate and his ex corp, and as such is not bound by any such honour laws in my persoanl opinion.

If ANYONE has ever been offered a 1v1 by KIA, other than TIO, and had that agreement broken, then post here, with the pilots that acted dishonourably, and I will deal with the matter personally.

No KIA person will post on this thread again, we are not interested in a flaim war, with people knocking a situation they know nothing about.

Tio, I am emarrassed for you, pity as you know I always held a great deal of respect for you ideals.

Fly safe.

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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Dishonoring a 1v1 for any reason is LAME.

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Originally by: LWMaverick

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Yeah okay.. it isnt quite fair, BUT i dont know what happend and why.
So im gonna ****.. and imo so should you guys.

KIA still has my respect..

Over and out

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Originally by: Avon

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So, what do we learn about KIA in this thread?

Some of its members lack honour.
They can't control the actions of their members.
They lack discipline.
The have no understanding of the value of reputation.

Try as hard as I might, I can't see a way in to turning this in to an effective advertising campaign for a mercenary corp.

KIA's "justifications" in this thread come as quite a shock to me, I honestly thought they were better than this.
Seriously, what sort of outfit would be desperate enough to hire these guys?

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Originally by: The Clash

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If you would only know ;)

Ah well , these forums shows pretty much yer all a bunch of CS genaration folks tbh .

Dont care , flame away , Im famous !

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Originally by: Marconious

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1v1 is only going to occure if the system is only populated with the 2 PvPer's... even if the 1v1 is honoured 99% of the corps out there will have a gank squad ready to kill any pilot who has killed one of there own if they in the area at the time... I have managed in my eve time so far to have 3 straight fights without interferrance, one of these with a pilot from the old Xetic Wars. Even with 12 of there pilots in the system they honoured the fight and allowed my pod to slow boat it out of system and to safety. Its just assame that i have had more negitive experiances than possitive with reguard to this matter ... I think KIA leadership have already resolved this situation so i dont see the point in more needless posts on the mater Up the Arsenal

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Originally by: KIAEddZ

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Edited by: KIAEddZ on 19/09/2005 13:30:57
For the sake of reason, I will one last time post the happenings of that now fateful encounter:

Tio left our corp just under a few weeks ago, with a bold statement on our private forums, that he was going to rid the Lonetrek and surrounding areas of Pirates, fight the good fight etc.

As an Ideal, Pirate killing, has always been one that KIA have been fond of.

Just 11 days later, some KIA guys are tackling and attempting to destroy a known Pirate.

Tio arrives on the scene, well outside of battle range, and proceeds to appraoch our pilots.

Our pilots, having just a few days ago, been on very friendly terms with Tio, and him being a very valued and respected member of our corp, and of course the fact that his leaving statement was to be a hero of the small people, fighting for the good etc, saw no danger from Tio, in fact expected him to get in range and open fire on the "pirate" target.

Instead of that, he got into very close range, and proceeded to gank the 3 KIA pilots that "trusted" both his friendhsip and his ideal.

He abused a known and "honourable" trust to carry out his actions.

This angered those pilots, who wanted immediate revenge.

They took that revenge how they saw fit, and I see NOTHING wrong with it as a contextual incident. I personally wouldnt of gone about it that way, but I would of taken my revenge none the less.

Tio posts here.

1v1s with a KIA pilot, will be honoured, or I will personally dismiss that pilot from my corp for his actions. This "exception" is clearly exactly that, an exception, and for good reason as I see it.

Those people on here, knocking KIA and jumping on a stupid bandwagon, have ulterior motives, or are just too blind to allow a chance to knock something freely, slip by.

I am happy to answer any serious questions, and even enter into any serious debate on this matter and indeed the matter of Honour, contact me in game, or even on an external product (MSN), and you will have my full attention for as long as you feel is necessary to iron out your feelings, and make your point heard.

This forum alas, is no place for serius aor open discussion, too many children with a glint of **** stirring glee in their eye.

Safe flight.

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Originally by: KIAEddZ

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Edited by: KIAEddZ on 19/09/2005 13:30:57
For the sake of reason, I will one last time post the happenings of that now fateful encounter:

Tio left our corp just under a few weeks ago, with a bold statement on our private forums, that he was going to rid the Lonetrek and surrounding areas of Pirates, fight the good fight etc.

As an Ideal, Pirate killing, has always been one that KIA have been fond of.

Just 11 days later, some KIA guys are tackling and attempting to destroy a known Pirate.

Tio arrives on the scene, well outside of battle range, and proceeds to appraoch our pilots.

Our pilots, having just a few days ago, been on very friendly terms with Tio, and him being a very valued and respected member of our corp, and of course the fact that his leaving statement was to be a hero of the small people, fighting for the good etc, saw no danger from Tio, in fact expected him to get in range and open fire on the "pirate" target.

Instead of that, he got into very close range, and proceeded to gank the 3 KIA pilots that "trusted" both his friendhsip and his ideal.

He abused a known and "honourable" trust to carry out his actions.

This angered those pilots, who wanted immediate revenge.

They took that revenge how they saw fit, and I see NOTHING wrong with it as a contextual incident. I personally wouldnt of gone about it that way, but I would of taken my revenge none the less.

Tio posts here.

1v1s with a KIA pilot, will be honoured, or I will personally dismiss that pilot from my corp for his actions. This "exception" is clearly exactly that, an exception, and for good reason as I see it.

Those people on here, knocking KIA and jumping on a stupid bandwagon, have ulterior motives, or are just too blind to allow a chance to knock something freely, slip by.

I am happy to answer any serious questions, and even enter into any serious debate on this matter and indeed the matter of Honour, contact me in game, or even on an external product (MSN), and you will have my full attention for as long as you feel is necessary to iron out your feelings, and make your point heard.

This forum alas, is no place for serius aor open discussion, too many children with a glint of **** stirring glee in their eye.

Safe flight.

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Originally by: KIAEddZ

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Those people on here, knocking KIA and jumping on a stupid bandwagon, have ulterior motives, or are just too blind to allow a chance to knock something freely, slip by.

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Originally by: KIAJugger

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TIO used the fact that he was an ex-corpmate to get close enough to gank three of our ships. The KIA pilots involved here used the fact that he agreed to a 1vs1 to gank his ship.

End of story, tbh.

Not once did TIO state that he'd "changed his mind" about what he told us he was doing when leaving the corp. He simply used what he knew would be a surprise to get the upper hand on 3 KIA pilots. No better or worse than what he got in return.

The rest of the "waaa waaa waaa" is just old rhetoric from the usual corners whenever a "I'm holier than you" opportunity arises.

DJ: Do NOT give TIO 101 a thing. He deserved it.

The fact that he posted here is just laughable and tells us a lot about him that I wouldn't have believed to be true.

I will be actively hunting TIO and his corp (which is all him, tbh) and make him regret the day he pulled that kind of stunt against us.

Enough said really. I won't be checking back here, so please speak to me directly in-game if you need to make a point about the above or discuss this further. Thanks.

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Originally by: Bruchpilot

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Originally by: M0rphine

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We saw you were in local and thought nothing of it... right up until you BBQ'd one of our cruisers etc in your geddon.

So that's the good fight then?

This thread is simply pointless.

Admin locky ftw ?

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So he killed your losy Cruiser, so WHAT? Is that the reason you dishonor a 1on1 and blow up his BS instead? Well done, you're now in the ranks of corps like BYDI and FOE, corps who don't know how to fight.

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Originally by: Bruchpilot

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Ugluuk your stats are far from being correct, look up our killboard it's pretty accurate though you have to search for our losses against you. At least 2 of the BS losses were Shadows Ravens, who tried to get a fight while outnumbered a few times cause every time we get even numbers you run/dock in your station in Nalvula. You outnumbered us in Obe once and we had even numbers after 5 mins, you never wanted a nice fight but a gank, therefore you can't fight which is the statement of my previous post. Thank you.

You can't force someone to fight you if he doesn't want to...

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Originally by: Verone

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This thread is starting to border on pathetic tbh.

It's turned into a flame war

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Originally by: TI0 101

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Edited by: TI0 101 on 18/09/2005 14:56:08
KIA - Geonosis aka Darth Josh

I decided to go pirate, and low and behold KIA entered Aunenen, I knew that as KIA are activly anti-pirate I would be KOS to them anyways, warped ontop of them as [OFTW]'s asked for assistance killing a vexor, nailed 3 of them, then i recieved the following convo...


had the fight between the lines,



ROFL T10, you even told me you wanted to go anti pirate, who in there right mind posts on the forums about you getting pwnd, there is no eve rule stating that you shudent be aloud to interfear in a 1v1, so please.... push of?

GeoNoSiS > omw
(Fight occured here)
TIO 101 > he
TIO 101 > 1v1 :P

saw he had left gang, knew what was gonna hapen next, but i dont run from arranged 1v1's. I had no stab's fitted bcos of it. Geo had 0 cap left and couldnt tank no longer, so brought in 2 bs friends to assist when he initially said he didn t need help *shock*

Our survey says...

Anyways, Geo states that he broke the 1v1 cos of personal reasons, which is more than true, i knew we didnt get on from the start. but still, breaking organised 1v1's is low, and would just like to point this out to any others they may want to 1v1 in the future.

removed link to convo because of profanity and personal attacks.-eris
I have edited my link to **** out the 2 naughty words i found sorry. -tio

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Originally by: KIAEddZ

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Edited by: KIAEddZ on 19/09/2005 13:30:57
For the sake of reason, I will one last time post the happenings of that now fateful encounter:

Tio left our corp just under a few weeks ago, with a bold statement on our private forums, that he was going to rid the Lonetrek and surrounding areas of Pirates, fight the good fight etc.

As an Ideal, Pirate killing, has always been one that KIA have been fond of.


I have to agree with Eddz, if a person earns a person or persons trust then abuse's that to get close to them and kill them, why should they be honourable in a combat situation towards T10?
Just 11 days later, some KIA guys are tackling and attempting to destroy a known Pirate.

Tio arrives on the scene, well outside of battle range, and proceeds to appraoch our pilots.

Our pilots, having just a few days ago, been on very friendly terms with Tio, and him being a very valued and respected member of our corp, and of course the fact that his leaving statement was to be a hero of the small people, fighting for the good etc, saw no danger from Tio, in fact expected him to get in range and open fire on the "pirate" target.

Instead of that, he got into very close range, and proceeded to gank the 3 KIA pilots that "trusted" both his friendhsip and his ideal.

He abused a known and "honourable" trust to carry out his actions.

This angered those pilots, who wanted immediate revenge.

They took that revenge how they saw fit, and I see NOTHING wrong with it as a contextual incident. I personally wouldnt of gone about it that way, but I would of taken my revenge none the less.

Tio posts here.

1v1s with a KIA pilot, will be honoured, or I will personally dismiss that pilot from my corp for his actions. This "exception" is clearly exactly that, an exception, and for good reason as I see it.

Those people on here, knocking KIA and jumping on a stupid bandwagon, have ulterior motives, or are just too blind to allow a chance to knock something freely, slip by.

I am happy to answer any serious questions, and even enter into any serious debate on this matter and indeed the matter of Honour, contact me in game, or even on an external product (MSN), and you will have my full attention for as long as you feel is necessary to iron out your feelings, and make your point heard.

This forum alas, is no place for serius aor open discussion, too many children with a glint of **** stirring glee in their eye.

Safe flight.

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Originally by: Trepkos

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Me.

I never fight fair. Why should I?

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Originally by: Xenios Alfar

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Originally by: Trepkos

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Me.

I never fight fair. Why should I?

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Atleast your honest and don't pretend to be honorable!

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Originally by: Darax Thulain

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Dishonoring 1v1's is the lowliest crappy trick a guy can ever do in EVE.

I had it done to me twice, and I was bloody ****ed each time since both persons were from RP corps.

Ishos Rerajan of PIE
Flotwell of AMAX

May they both be trolled and mocked forever.

At least GeoNoSis tried to excuse himself, those who did it to me never did.

Darax

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It's on par with ganging people up and warping them to a POS to get BBQ'd, or similar such tactics.

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Originally by: Corvus Anderran

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Interesting thought:

What would have happened if Tio and co. were the ones who had broken the 1v1 and Tio's buddies ganked Geo? Would KIA be here saying it's not a problem?

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Originally by: KIAJugger

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TIO used the fact that he was an ex-corpmate to get close enough to gank three of our ships. The KIA pilots involved here used the fact that he agreed to a 1vs1 to gank his ship.

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Originally by: Hast

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Oh its on now, never mess with me when I'm going mining.

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Originally by: Trevedian

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Challenging someone to a 1v1 and dishonoring it is LAME! I have had the same done to me (and I got revenge about 9 months later, Trev doesn't forget that dung).

Regardless of his excuse he is lame and KIA will lose face unless they take action against him.

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