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brutalbutneutral
The Scope Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.04.16 13:01:00 -
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Look at the north/west for instance. Only carebears live in those places. LAWN, SMA, TNT, FCON, TEST, GOONS, -FA-, .EXE. There only getting fat in there carebearing regions.
It is still beyond my understanding why you would want an all out jerk fest blueing each other. Where's the honour in that. Isn't it getting boring. Or is eve only about isk these days and not about fun. 
Please CCP , please let the summer expansion have a sov overhaul where even smaller corps can get sov so having sov is fun again. Make it something worth fighting for.
Now please let the troles out. |

Riot Girl
RADIO RAMPAGE Initiative Mercenaries
658
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Posted - 2013.04.16 13:10:00 -
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brutalbutneutral wrote:Please CCP. Do it yourself.
Oh god. |

Vincent Gaines
Cold Moon Destruction Transmission Lost
370
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Posted - 2013.04.16 13:12:00 -
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"CFC isn't getting enough attention. someone make an alt and troll GD"
Not a diplo.-á
The above post was edited for spelling. |

terzho
StarFleet Enterprises Red Alliance
262
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Posted - 2013.04.16 13:14:00 -
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brutalbutneutral wrote:Where's the honour in that.
lol |

Markku Laaksonen
EVE University Ivy League
101
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Posted - 2013.04.16 13:15:00 -
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You had two opportunities to use 'they're', 'their', or 'there'. You chose 'there' both times and were wrong both times. |

Dave Stark
2605
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Posted - 2013.04.16 13:16:00 -
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brutalbutneutral wrote:There only getting fat in there carebearing regions. brutalbutneutral wrote:Make it something worth fighting for.
ladies and gentlemen, i present to you a contradiction. |

Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1760
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Posted - 2013.04.16 13:20:00 -
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OP lives in some alternate Eve-universe I've not seen. GSF alone is on 20,000 killmails a month, but you know, it's all about ratting for blue donuts or whatever the daily meme is.
Sov war sucks balls, and if your only definition of "non boring" is sov war, then you'll probably be "bored" a long time. Meanwhile, anyone actually involved and not just watching from the sidelines is having a pretty good time. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
7519
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Posted - 2013.04.16 13:22:00 -
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i'm too horrible to form a group large and cohesive enough to challenge somebody for their sov
why doesn't CCP hold my hand in the process mine quotes from my posts at your peril, badposters TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. Malcanis for CSM 8 |

Vincent Gaines
Cold Moon Destruction Transmission Lost
370
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Posted - 2013.04.16 13:38:00 -
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Andski wrote:i'm too horrible to form a group large and cohesive enough to challenge somebody for their sov
why doesn't CCP hold my hand in the process Although your point makes sense, you know well enough that the way things are currently there is no way to really challenge the sov of the power bocs.
It's why HBC didn't go after you, unless it's all about the tech after all... Not a diplo.-á
The above post was edited for spelling. |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
7519
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Posted - 2013.04.16 13:43:00 -
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sure there is
do it the exact same way we've taken swathes of space from our enemies in the past mine quotes from my posts at your peril, badposters TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. Malcanis for CSM 8 |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
7519
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Posted - 2013.04.16 13:49:00 -
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i mean it's entirely possible to take sov from large powerblocs but nobody wants to do it because they don't want to do what every successful group in 0.0 has managed to do and form a large cohesive group
because they lack the ability to organize and lead they just whine to CCP to make large groups less relevant, since you know, anyone can form a large group because it's so easy so why bother?
yet with the apparent ease of forming a large group they don't wish to do that and take sov from anyone because it's not easy to form a large group as it turns out
the excuse du jour is "they have too much tech income!!!!!!!" but there are historical cases of blocs with much less income challenging blocs with much more income and successfully taking their sovereignty
guess there's really no excuses left! mine quotes from my posts at your peril, badposters TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. Malcanis for CSM 8 |

Hessian Arcturus
S.W.O.R.D. Navy
11
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Posted - 2013.04.16 13:59:00 -
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I would love to form a massive corp and take the sov from goons or test... (Or the more likely, die horribly trying). It would be a laugh and rather fun, for both parties involved.
Only problem I have is im so new that a) I dont have the skills to fly anything bigger than a cruiser just yet (so taking sov in a cruiser would just be plain hilarious when I get hotdropped by super caps) and b) no one who can fly super caps, to rival the goons, will take orders from a noob (even though they dont mobilise themselves to do it).
I can imagine the goons or test would be up for a good scrap, because they've probably (note I say probably) got bored of no one really challangeing them... It's human nature to want to explore. To find your line and go beyond it. The only limit, is the one you set yourself. |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
8691
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Posted - 2013.04.16 14:05:00 -
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Hessian Arcturus wrote:I would love to form a massive corp and take the sov from goons or test... (Or the more likely, die horribly trying). It would be a laugh and rather fun, for both parties involved.
Only problem I have is im so new that a) I dont have the skills to fly anything bigger than a cruiser just yet (so taking sov in a cruiser would just be plain hilarious when I get hotdropped by super caps) and b) no one who can fly super caps, to rival the goons, will take orders from a noob (even though they dont mobilise themselves to do it).
I can imagine the goons or test would be up for a good scrap, because they've probably (note I say probably) got bored of no one really challangeing them...
So where do you get your information about the state of 0.0 from? Please vote for me for CSM8-áhere
My recommended voting list |

Felicity Love
STARKRAFT Joint Venture Conglomerate
467
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Posted - 2013.04.16 14:15:00 -
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Resource "redistribution" coming up... maybe that will shake things up.
Or not.
Either way, OP... you need to undock first. 
Proud Beta Tester for "Bumping Uglies for Dummies" |

Hessian Arcturus
S.W.O.R.D. Navy
11
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Posted - 2013.04.16 14:24:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Hessian Arcturus wrote:I would love to form a massive corp and take the sov from goons or test... (Or the more likely, die horribly trying). It would be a laugh and rather fun, for both parties involved.
Only problem I have is im so new that a) I dont have the skills to fly anything bigger than a cruiser just yet (so taking sov in a cruiser would just be plain hilarious when I get hotdropped by super caps) and b) no one who can fly super caps, to rival the goons, will take orders from a noob (even though they dont mobilise themselves to do it).
I can imagine the goons or test would be up for a good scrap, because they've probably (note I say probably) got bored of no one really challangeing them... So where do you get your information about the state of 0.0 from?
I'm sorry, I dont follow  It's human nature to want to explore. To find your line and go beyond it. The only limit, is the one you set yourself. |

War Kitten
Panda McLegion
1883
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Posted - 2013.04.16 14:25:00 -
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brutalbutneutral wrote: Or is eve only about isk these days and not about fun. 
But isk IS fun.
I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all. |

Fractal Muse
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
262
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Posted - 2013.04.16 14:28:00 -
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brutalbutneutral wrote:It is still beyond my understanding why you would want an all out jerk fest blueing each other. Where's the honour in that. Isn't it getting boring. Or is eve only about isk these days and not about fun.  Please CCP , please let the summer expansion have a sov overhaul where even smaller corps can get sov so having sov is fun again. Make it something worth fighting for. Now please let the troles out. If you don't like what you see in 0.0 and think that it is terrible go in and change it.
Get a group of people together you could call them a corporation perhaps and then work with other like minded groups perhaps we could call that an Alliance. Then, as this thing we're calling an Alliance go and invade.
If you cannot do that for whatever reason you could just fly around in that "safe" region of space and create some chaos. Go ahead. All that is there, according to you, are carebears who are getting 'fat.'
Smaller corporations -can- get Sov if they are willing to try. The problem very few are wiling to make the attempt so the situation remains the same but that isn't CCP's fault it's the players involved. Personally, I don't mind it since there is a LOT of effort and work that goes in to maintaining the Alliances involved. |

Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
371
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Posted - 2013.04.16 14:41:00 -
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Andski wrote:sure there is
do it the exact same way we've taken swathes of space from our enemies in the past
That would require :effort: so it will not happen.
Give me my region for free! I am a paying costomer so I deserve it! |

YuuKnow
Terra-Formers
714
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Posted - 2013.04.16 14:43:00 -
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Well, from human history conflicts are usually either spurred by economic reasons, religous reasons, resource scarcity, or plays for power. Lets look at these
1. Economic reasons: nope, the moons provide plenty for all, no economic incentive for war, just losses 2. Religous reasons: doesn't apply to eve 3. Resource Scarcity: nope, resources self-regenerate quickly in Eve 4. Plays for power: not in the alliances so I don't know the ambition levels.
If CCP were to want to mix it up then they should look at mixing up one or two of the above. From the Odysessy notes it looks like its on the list to be addressed hopefully.
yk |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
7522
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Posted - 2013.04.16 14:52:00 -
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YuuKnow wrote:1. Economic reasons: nope, the regions provide plenty for all, enough to fund hundreds of billions in super caps. No economic incentive/gain for war, just losses really
No they don't, most of 0.0 is worthless except for the north and parts of the southwest mine quotes from my posts at your peril, badposters TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. Malcanis for CSM 8 |

RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
3215
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Posted - 2013.04.16 15:19:00 -
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Andski wrote:YuuKnow wrote:1. Economic reasons: nope, the regions provide plenty for all, enough to fund hundreds of billions in super caps. No economic incentive/gain for war, just losses really No they don't, most of 0.0 is worthless except for the north and parts of the southwest
CVA seems to think their space is worth something.
What, I'm unclear on, but something. This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |

Sura Sadiva
Entropic Tactical Crew
412
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Posted - 2013.04.16 15:26:00 -
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Current null sec is a direct product of Dominion; those mechanics were strongly wanted by the null sec alliances leaders and the joke CSM in charge. Are mechanics intendeed to consolidate and lock the status quo and turn the area in a PVE farm and mere arena for consensual capital fights.
No players effort in this, only crooked game mechanics changes.
After the Dominion's fail CCP started to understand the msitake, stopped to listen to this people, null sec was progressively marginaized and CCP changed direction in EVE development. With success.
Since then this direction never changed, continued also in the last expansions and will continue in the next one.
I think CCP know the problem and has been already adressed at the PAX by them, as talking about the incoming resource redistribution they state as it's something intendeed to lead to "shifting allegiances amongst EVE's player alliances" and "EVE is not supposed to be about a place in equilibrium; it's about people fighting over things"
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Sentamon
819
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Posted - 2013.04.16 16:20:00 -
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Andski wrote:i mean it's entirely possible to take sov from large powerblocs but nobody is left to do it because they don't want to do what every successful group in 0.0 has managed to do and joined up with the one large cohesive group
cleaned that up for you a little reflect reality ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
7523
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Posted - 2013.04.16 16:28:00 -
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Sentamon wrote:Andski wrote:i mean it's entirely possible to take sov from large powerblocs but nobody is left to do it because they don't want to do what every successful group in 0.0 has managed to do and joined up with the one large cohesive group
cleaned that up for you a little reflect reality
guess you're right, nobody has the competence to do it mine quotes from my posts at your peril, badposters TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. Malcanis for CSM 8 |

Hannah Flex
laissez-faire economics
316
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Posted - 2013.04.16 16:38:00 -
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Fractal Muse wrote:If you don't like what you see in 0.0 and think that it is terrible go in and change it.
Get a group of people together
This happened in the old days, we are in the queue and raid-finder age so this just isnt gonna happen
People just arent willing to stay up all night, alarm clock for ops, skip work/school, call in sick. Stay up for days scouting systems, guarding SBU's, shooting cynojammers, stations, POS's and cutting power lines and ddos'ing their enemies like they used to  |

Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1761
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Posted - 2013.04.16 16:42:00 -
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Hessian Arcturus wrote:Malcanis wrote:Hessian Arcturus wrote:I would love to form a massive corp and take the sov from goons or test... (Or the more likely, die horribly trying). It would be a laugh and rather fun, for both parties involved.
Only problem I have is im so new that a) I dont have the skills to fly anything bigger than a cruiser just yet (so taking sov in a cruiser would just be plain hilarious when I get hotdropped by super caps) and b) no one who can fly super caps, to rival the goons, will take orders from a noob (even though they dont mobilise themselves to do it).
I can imagine the goons or test would be up for a good scrap, because they've probably (note I say probably) got bored of no one really challangeing them... So where do you get your information about the state of 0.0 from? I'm sorry, I dont follow  Well, as Malcanis is apt to do, he's nailed the central flaw in your argument, and in turn, the argument of most commentators.
Why do you, a person who has not left highsec in a cruiser, have any opinion on the "state of nullsec" ? - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |

Vincent Gaines
Cold Moon Destruction Transmission Lost
371
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Posted - 2013.04.16 16:58:00 -
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Andski wrote:i mean it's entirely possible to take sov from large powerblocs but nobody wants to do it because they don't want to do what every successful group in 0.0 has managed to do and form a large cohesive group
because they lack the ability to organize and lead they just whine to CCP to make large groups less relevant, since you know, anyone can form a large group because it's so easy so why bother?
yet with the apparent ease of forming a large group they don't wish to do that and take sov from anyone because it's not easy to form a large group as it turns out
the excuse du jour is "they have too much tech income!!!!!!!" but there are historical cases of blocs with much less income challenging blocs with much more income and successfully taking their sovereignty
guess there's really no excuses left!
Your numbers came from one location, at least at first, which happens to have been a large and cohesive group from the onset.
apples and oranges, my friend.
I don't think it's a matter of income but a matter of size and power projection.
You link themattani... here is a good read.
http://themittani.com/features/sov-problems-little-guys-or-new-blood Not a diplo.-á
The above post was edited for spelling. |

Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
371
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Posted - 2013.04.16 17:04:00 -
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Vincent Gaines wrote:Andski wrote:i mean it's entirely possible to take sov from large powerblocs but nobody wants to do it because they don't want to do what every successful group in 0.0 has managed to do and form a large cohesive group
because they lack the ability to organize and lead they just whine to CCP to make large groups less relevant, since you know, anyone can form a large group because it's so easy so why bother?
yet with the apparent ease of forming a large group they don't wish to do that and take sov from anyone because it's not easy to form a large group as it turns out
the excuse du jour is "they have too much tech income!!!!!!!" but there are historical cases of blocs with much less income challenging blocs with much more income and successfully taking their sovereignty
guess there's really no excuses left! Your numbers came from one location, at least at first, which happens to have been a large and cohesive group from the onset. apples and oranges, my friend. I don't think it's a matter of income but a matter of size and power projection.
Any type of power you can give to a single player to make it easyer to own sov with elss people can also be used by larger entity but on a larger base. Any changes going that way will fail.
The only change that could technically work are change penalising people for forming too large groups and that should not even be considered. We are playing a MMO FFS... |

Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
1120
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Posted - 2013.04.16 17:28:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:brutalbutneutral wrote:There only getting fat in there carebearing regions. brutalbutneutral wrote:Make it something worth fighting for. ladies and gentlemen, i present to you a contradiction.
Not necessarily. Gluttony was never a conflict driver. Starvation, on the other hand.....
Rich countries have little motivation to go to war except when they see something they want in a poor country that resists.
HTFU!...for the children! |

Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
3110
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Posted - 2013.04.16 17:35:00 -
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CCP cannot force people to fight each other. Content on that scale is provided by the players.
Sure, they can take away the static tech/neo/plat moons, change sov, etc, but what will force them to fight instead of simply interdealing with each other/cooperating to gain back what has moved? If everyone is as friendly/blue/napfested as everyone claims, then it seems that any amount of change on CCPs part wont effect the 'Blue Blob' as much as some may think it will.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
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