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Ivy Romanova Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 930	Posted - 2013.04.17 09:36:00 - [1] - Quote If you are a Spelling Emperor and you get to redesign all the spelling for all things in the world. What would you rename the following objects? CD : Grass : Gum : Table corners : Cactus : Benches : Petrol : Words : Medics : Door bells : Annnnnd GO!
Concurssi Mellenar Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 9	Posted - 2013.04.17 10:07:00 - [2] - Quote Veldspar: Feldspar. That's the only one I've got.
Ivy Romanova Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 930	Posted - 2013.04.17 10:09:00 - [3] - Quote Concurssi Mellenar wrote: Veldspar: Feldspar. That's the only one I've got. Feldspar already exists :P
Concurssi Mellenar Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 9	Posted - 2013.04.17 10:54:00 - [4] - Quote IRL, yeah. But not in the Eve Online :(
Unsuccessful At Everything The Troll Bridge 3134	Posted - 2013.04.17 16:23:00 - [5] - Quote CD : Ancient Blu-ray Grass : Epic Front Yard Jungle Gum : Underdesk Adhesive Table corners : Alcoholic's Enemy Cactus : Prickly Hug Plant Benches : Homeless Cot Petrol : Liquid Hydrocarbon Mixture Words : Symbols that are typed via thumbs on smartphones Medics : The guy with the paddles Door bells : Crazy loud thing that goes off when youre sleeping on the couch I did that wrong. *Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?*
Alara IonStorm 4903	Posted - 2013.04.17 16:54:00 - [6] - Quote Ivy Romanova wrote: If you are a Spelling Emperor and you get to redesign all the spelling for all things in the world. What would you rename the following objects? sàët¢ÿ Fìë sÅúTªÖt¦û Fí¿FºÆ S+ÖS¦¦µÄî µ¥+sç¦ µ¦+µ¦¦ F»¥ sî+sèíS¦¦sæÿ Tù¿Tôâ I recognize which way the wind is blowing.
Daimon Kaiera 210	Posted - 2013.04.17 17:01:00 - [7] - Quote Alara IonStorm wrote: Ivy Romanova wrote: If you are a Spelling Emperor and you get to redesign all the spelling for all things in the world. What would you rename the following objects? sàët¢ÿ Fìë sÅúTªÖt¦û Fí¿FºÆ S+ÖS¦¦µÄî µ¥+sç¦ µ¦+µ¦¦ F»¥ sî+sèíS¦¦sæÿ Tù¿Tôâ I recognize which way the wind is blowing. Benches : Fà¦µÄ¢püæ Petrol :pé¼pé+pâ¬pâ¦ Words : F¿ÇFæën+¢sìÿF¬P Medics : sî+s+½ Door bells : pâëpéópâÖpâ½ if you want to be weird, but I'll stick to Tê¦ even though it probably doesn't work like that. Your strange and confusing simplified Chinese confuses me. The F¿Ç in F»¥ has been utterly decimated and I cannot tell what that Tù¿ is. TûÇ? For doorbell, I can see that. Here by talk start if go able?
Khergit Deserters 939	Posted - 2013.04.17 17:08:00 - [8] - Quote No entries, I'm too low on creativity fuel. But if I were Spelling Emperor, I'd eliminate the words gland, bladder, and flabbergasted. Gland and bladder because they just sound disgusting if you say them out loud. Even if you don't think about what they mean. Flabbergasted because it's just a stupid-sounding word. A real embarrassment to the English language. It sounds like something some non-English-speaking kid would say, if he were pretending to speak English.
Alara IonStorm 4903	Posted - 2013.04.17 17:08:00 - [9] - Quote Daimon Kaiera wrote: Benches : Fà¦µÄ¢püæ Petrol :pé¼pé+pâ¬pâ¦ Words : F¿ÇFæën+¢sìÿF¬P Medics : sî+s+½ Door bells : pâëpéópâÖpâ½ if you want to be weird, but I'll stick to Tê¦ even though it probably doesn't work like that. Your strange and confusing simplified Chinese confuses me. The F¿Ç in F»¥ has been utterly decimated and I cannot tell what that Tù¿ is. TûÇ? For doorbell, I can see that. GT has detected those words as Japanese.
Daimon Kaiera 210	Posted - 2013.04.17 17:26:00 - [10] - Quote Alara IonStorm wrote: Daimon Kaiera wrote: Benches : Fà¦µÄ¢püæ Petrol :pé¼pé+pâ¬pâ¦ Words : F¿ÇFæën+¢sìÿF¬P Medics : sî+s+½ Door bells : pâëpéópâÖpâ½ if you want to be weird, but I'll stick to Tê¦ even though it probably doesn't work like that. Your strange and confusing simplified Chinese confuses me. The F¿Ç in F»¥ has been utterly decimated and I cannot tell what that Tù¿ is. TûÇ? For doorbell, I can see that. GT has detected those words as Japanese. I'm sorry; I mistook you for somone who was studing simplified Chinese an though we could have had a long discussion about character differences. Since my mind is tainted by Japanese, it is only natural that I hold traditional characters in higher regard than their broken counterparts.( I still write S+ô instead of T½ö etc, as is custom, but the more whose meanings an readings I learn leads me into deeper love with them. I rememer the first time I found the left side meanin right side reading hint. Iwas ecstatic. I.e. Tƒ+ having a meaning near to Tƒ¦ and the one on reading of püäpéô from sôí. Likewise µ¥+ with µ£¿ and sÅì. pü¦péô pü»péô, these things happen and they are close enough. Besides, the damn kana should have made it obvious that it was Japanese without the help of your precious GT. Here by talk start if go able?
Khergit Deserters 939	Posted - 2013.04.17 18:08:00 - [11] - Quote It's a great day when kanji switches for you. From being evil, impossible to memorize multi-legged little bugs, to things with an order and a sense. And kind of poetic. Person by tree = rest. Women under a roof = safe. Bird over mountain = island. Rain over paddy = thunder.
Daimon Kaiera 210	Posted - 2013.04.17 19:24:00 - [12] - Quote And the beauty of it is that you rarely notice when it happens; you just feel it one day. I, personally, keep track of all the ones I should know, even though there are more (I have not catalogued them yet.), and it came to me at around ~800. Some of the characters I've attached meaning from parts go like this: What occurs when the sun µùÑ rises t½ï over the horizon? Why, you hear the sound of a rooster. Tƒ¦ In ancient times, who used strength sè¢ to work in the rice fields tö¦? tö+ I can't do these for all characters; and I don't need to. I know what séì means, can write it, yet only know one word for it pü¥pü¦. There has never been a time where I have needed to "learn" a word for its on-reading, but it will come in time. The only "hint" I have for it is the S¦¦ on the left, but I don't need that for every character. See, I have different relationships with different characters. Tíî was one who was really easy to understand and get along with; I've known him for a long time and he's like a best friend. s¦+ is one that I've known since around Tíî and I know a lot of things about her. I don't see her that often, but it's all right. t¬ü is more like an acquaintance. I know at least what he represents and a word or two, but hardly see him at all or use him. sæ+ I misinterpreted at first, but learned his other side. My original two meanings were like the one in the word sñ¬sæ+ orpÇÇTüïsæ+ but I gradually became to know him as püäpü«püí best. I can go on and on ~1300 more times, but you get the point. Or maybe not. I don't know - I'm weird. I've developed relationships with some of the characters in different ways. Whilst I can say I know 1-3 of all their meanings and can write them from my head, my level of knowledge in words and readings shifts constantly. They just come to me naturally in time as I read more and more. When I've had to look up a word enough times, it just comes into my head naturally. And with that, readings do as well. Unless a character has only one reading. Memorise that immediately. And don't get me started on words like µé¬µê». I should stop. Here by talk start if go able?
Rain6639 Team Evil 263	Posted - 2013.04.17 19:26:00 - [13] - Quote Ivy, did I see you in overview near Jita about 12 hours ago? it was a split second before I jumped, and I was in slow, heavy ships so I decided against turning back to the gate-- I don't know for sure, it's just that I'm pretty my unconscious mind saw "Ivy Romanova" like a spliced frame from Fight Club. I checked Local, but you weren't there--and my monitors were filled with my EVE clients (so it wasn't the forums). EDM? you mean EFM
Khergit Deserters 942	Posted - 2013.04.17 20:15:00 - [14] - Quote Crap, I can't get stupid IE 8 to display Japanese characters on this work PC. I made it to knowing about 900 kanji way back when. About half-way to being able to read a newspaper. At one point of doing intensive kanji study, I was seeing kanji characters in my dreams. (Seriously, no joke). But I was never the kanji king among the local gaijin community in Hiroshima. Seems most people either have a talent for learning the spoken language or the kanji/written language. One or the other, mutually exclusive talents. Some people knew loads of kanji, but had trouble speaking and had atrocious pronunciation. Others could parlay along smoothly, but were weak in kanji. I was one of the speakers/kanji wimp types. Then occasionally there is the gaijin who's both a good talker and a kanji master. Arrogant show-off bastards usually. Most of them like nothing better than throwing around obscure literary Nihongo to impress your date or girlfriend.
Daimon Kaiera 214	Posted - 2013.04.17 20:26:00 - [15] - Quote Khergit Deserters wrote: Crap, I can't get stupid IE 8 to display Japanese characters on this work PC. I made it to knowing about 900 kanji way back when. About half-way to being able to read a newspaper. At one point of doing intensive kanji study, I was seeing kanji characters in my dreams. (Seriously, no joke). But I was never the kanji king among the local gaijin community in Hiroshima. Seems most people either have a talent for learning the spoken language or the kanji/written language. One or the other, mutually exclusive talents. Some people knew loads of kanji, but had trouble speaking and had atrocious pronunciation. Others could parlay along smoothly, but were weak in kanji. I was one of the speakers/kanji wimp types. Then occasionally there is the gaijin who's both a good talker and a kanji master. Arrogant show-off bastards usually. Most of them like nothing better than throwing around advanced Nihongo to impress your date or girlfriend. Well, you can view all of mine again when you install Firefox/Language pack/Get to a new PC. I don't ever use the Roman alphabet for Japanese unless I'm using names because NAMES ARE THE WORST THINGS TO READ. Anyways, because of the fact no one knows anything about the language other than me where I live, I don't exactly have and speech practice. I've tried talking outloud my thoughts in the shower alone for 20 minutes at a time, and after that practice, I find it really really easy to talk in the language without too many pauses to "Think about what I want to say in English first." However, since there is no one around me, my pronunciation and general conversation abilities are null. Reading comprehension is what I'm best at, yet if I ever stop myself to think about how I'm understanding what I read, I instantly stop being able to understand. It's weird. I can remember many months ago when I had to sludge through walls of text in Japanese wikipedia (NOT the best place to get reading material.) wherein I understood nothing - the sentences were too long and complex. I couldn't tell what related to what. Whilst I'm way better at it now, I'm still lacking. Writing would be my medium skill - everytime I re-read over what I write I either think it's pitiful or that I sound like an elementary schooler. When I do write, since I've never bothered practicing English -> Japanese and vice versa translation, I hardly do have an English thought in my mind. Maybe it's in the back being unconciously thought of, since I can translate what I write pretty well considering I know my intended meaning, but definately not in the front of my mind. For Kanji, my knowledge stretches across ~1300 with ~100 of them probably being useless in everyday life. I had to force myself to stop with the obscure ones so that I could actually get ones with practical use. Guess what? If I see a news article, I know 80% and more of the characters in it - even if I still have to look up the words. The meaning of the character I know helps immensely with remembering words. Whilst I feel embarrassed to say it, I will. I do not bother memorising words nor Kanji readings unless a Kanji has one reading. I just let all the words I know flow naturally into my head. Maybe I have to look it up one day and I remember it then and there. Maybe I've looked it up so often that it goes into my head. If I were to estimate a word limit, it would be between 400-1200. But what about ones that I can make up based on patterns that you learn from the language? I recently found Fïªpüùpü+ andpÇÇFïªpüùpéÇ came naturally after the fact. From these words, the readings come too. (Kanji hints help too.) It's led to many words that I know the meaning without the actual English one. I can't give you an exact word for, say, pâÄpâ¦pâôpâ¬ orpÇÇµçÉpüïpüùpüä, but I can describe the feelings they conjure. FINALLY SOMEONE WHO USES pü+péô INSTEAD OFpÇÇpüúpü+péô Here by talk start if go able?
Khergit Deserters 943	Posted - 2013.04.17 21:12:00 - [16] - Quote That's very cool. I met an American guy at a Japanese sword show who had written a 5-6 volume encyclopedia. It was considered the authoritative guide for Japanese sword collectors (to identify the item's swordsmith, the tsuba maker, the saya maker, the year it was likely made, etc.) The encyclopedia was written entirely in Nihongo, but the guy couldn't speak a word of the spoken language. And he knew Edo Period Nihongo better than the modern language. He said reading a current Japanese newspaper was a struggle for him. Pretty amazing what the human mind can do.
Daimon Kaiera 215	Posted - 2013.04.17 21:30:00 - [17] - Quote Khergit Deserters wrote: That's very cool. I met an American guy at a Japanese sword show who had written a 5-6 volume encyclopedia. It was considered the authoritative guide for Japanese sword collectors (to identify the item's swordsmith, the tsuba maker, the saya maker, the year it was likely made, etc.) The encyclopedia was written entirely in Nihongo, but the guy couldn't speak a word of the spoken language. And he knew Edo Period Nihongo better than the modern language. He said reading a current Japanese newspaper was a struggle for him. Pretty amazing what the human mind can do. I've seen some of the older verions of Japanese and I can tell you. None of it makes sense to me at all. All the words are different, the sounds are different, we have different Kana (or none at all), and the particles have changed. And since all the particles have changed, and they ALWAYS have more than one use, all of those other uses have gone too. Hell, even verbs and their various forms have different forms, if that makes sense. Good on him that he can understand old Japanese well; if that's what he wanted to do, then he succeeded. Here by talk start if go able?
Khergit Deserters 943	Posted - 2013.04.18 14:22:00 - [18] - Quote There's also a special Nihongo for law. It uses not only specialized, very obscure vocabulary, but unique kanji. The Japanese bar exam is the hardest test in Japan, and probably one of the hardest in the world. Basically, you have to learn the special language and memorize the entire legal code, word for word. Not sure whether that kind of education and testing imparts much in the way of legal reasoning skills....
Ivy Romanova Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 942	Posted - 2013.04.18 14:27:00 - [19] - Quote kind of a shame seeing Japan taking all the credits for Kanji when its pretty much just borrowed from the Chinese hanzi during the days when Japan still had respect for themselves. I guess thats what would an ancient Roman feels like if we bring him from Latium or Ancient Rome to the modern age.
Daimon Kaiera 221	Posted - 2013.04.18 16:33:00 - [20] - Quote Ivy Romanova wrote: kind of a shame seeing Japan taking all the credits for Kanji when its pretty much just borrowed from the Chinese hanzi during the days when Japan still had respect for themselves. I guess thats what would an ancient Roman feels like if we bring him from Latium or Ancient Rome to the modern age. Basically. It's imported into a foreign country and then changed/modified/mangled to fit that country's use. I think an ancient Roman could maybe figure out what a mortician does or anything else with a latin root. In the same way, I feel that an average Chinaman could understand the general topic of a news article from its title - probably since they're almost always in complete Kanji. If I wrote, Fç¬µ«¦S+ütö+püºn+òS¦¦µ¡+S¦íS¦ïS+¦, then I can probably say they'll know what it's about. Here by talk start if go able?
Rain6639 Team Evil 266	Posted - 2013.04.18 16:45:00 - [21] - Quote everything rename al adeen EDM? you mean EFM
Ivy Romanova Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 944	Posted - 2013.04.18 16:46:00 - [22] - Quote How does that have to do with coming with alternate names for things tho?
Ivy Romanova Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 944	Posted - 2013.04.18 16:48:00 - [23] - Quote CD : Tune Bagels Grass : Soil fur Gum : Flavour sticks Table corners : Mother of pain Cactus : Dun-touch-that Benches : Ass boards Petrol : Car juice Words : Penscribment Medics : Mortal Angels Door bells : Ding-Dong
Daimon Kaiera 221	Posted - 2013.04.18 16:50:00 - [24] - Quote Ivy Romanova wrote: How does that have to do with coming with alternate names for things tho? Rename everything in Katakana. That way we'll have horrible pronunciations on everything. Unless it's Spanish words. That actually works, surprisingly. Here by talk start if go able?
Brujo Loco Brujeria Teologica 725	Posted - 2013.04.19 12:23:00 - [25] - Quote Ivy Romanova wrote: If you are a Spelling Emperor and you get to redesign all the spelling for all things in the world. What would you rename the following objects? CD : Silisajara Grass : Saguampa+¦akara Gum : Kinajakaira Table corners : Chapotos Cactus : +æaguara Benches : meditation altars Petrol : chuki-chuki Words : spirit sounds Medics : Shamans Door bells : greeting spirits Annnnnd GO! Inner Sayings of BrujoLoco: http://eve-files.com/sig/brujoloco
Graygor 1kB Realty 1kB Galactic 22438	Posted - 2013.04.19 12:35:00 - [26] - Quote Ivy Romanova wrote: If you are a Spelling Emperor and you get to redesign all the spelling for all things in the world. What would you rename the following objects? CD : Fish Grass : Fish Gum : Fish Table corners : Fish Cactus : Fish Benches : Fish Petrol :Fish Words : Fish Medics : Fish Door bells : Fish Annnnnd GO! Let the madness begin! "I think you should buy a new Mayan calendar. Mine has muscle cars on it." --áKenneth O'Hara "Something I don't say very often: The welshman is right." - Marcus Gord
Daimon Kaiera 224	Posted - 2013.04.19 12:47:00 - [27] - Quote Graygor wrote: Ivy Romanova wrote: If you are a Spelling Emperor and you get to redesign all the spelling for all things in the world. What would you rename the following objects? CD : Fish Grass : Fish Gum : Fish Table corners : Fish Cactus : Fish Benches : Fish Petrol :Fish Words : Fish Medics : Fish Door bells : Fish Annnnnd GO! Let the madness begin! I propose we rename everything to sustainable Sustainible sustainible sustainible sustainible sustainible sustainible sustainible ? Here by talk start if go able?
Graygor 1kB Realty 1kB Galactic 22451	Posted - 2013.04.19 12:53:00 - [28] - Quote Daimon Kaiera wrote: I propose we rename everything to sustainable Sustainible sustainible sustainible sustainible sustainible sustainible sustainible ? Sustainable???? SUSTAINABLE???? Sustainable sustrainable sustrainable sustrainable sustrainable sustrainable sustrainable!!!!! Well... it would make the greens happy. "I think you should buy a new Mayan calendar. Mine has muscle cars on it." --áKenneth O'Hara "Something I don't say very often: The welshman is right." - Marcus Gord
Brujo Loco Brujeria Teologica 733	Posted - 2013.04.19 15:44:00 - [29] - Quote Graygor wrote: Daimon Kaiera wrote: I propose we rename everything to sustainable Sustainible sustainible sustainible sustainible sustainible sustainible sustainible ? Sustainable???? SUSTAINABLE???? Sustainable sustrainable sustrainable sustrainable sustrainable sustrainable sustrainable!!!!! Well... it would make the greens happy. I think I prefer Aladeen Inner Sayings of BrujoLoco: http://eve-files.com/sig/brujoloco
Graygor 1kB Realty 1kB Galactic 22604	Posted - 2013.04.19 15:45:00 - [30] - Quote Ah Sasha Baron Cohen... the man is a genius. But i still cant stand Borat. The Dictator was wonderful though. Clearly the Mossad knocked off Kim Jong il to make the intro even better. "I think you should buy a new Mayan calendar. Mine has muscle cars on it." --áKenneth O'Hara "Something I don't say very often: The welshman is right." - Marcus Gord

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