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CCP Dolan
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2013.04.17 16:56:00 -
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The elections for the 8th Council of Stellar Management (CSM) end tomorrow April 18th, at 23:59 UTC. Our wonderful community has been buzzing with comments on the CSM as an institution and the actions of CSM7, so we thought it would be nice to hear from CCP itself. Click here to read. CCP Dolan | Community Representative
Twitter: @CCPDolan
Gooby pls |
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Nathan Jameson
Talocan Dominion Talocan United
919
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Posted - 2013.04.17 17:05:00 -
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We all pay for subscriptions, and we all deserve a voice. Nathan Jameson for CSM 8! My CSM 8 Blog My Twitter |
Two step
Aperture Harmonics K162
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Posted - 2013.04.17 17:08:00 -
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Thanks for the kind words, and for all those that are reading this and have not voted, go vote now! CSM 7 Secretary CSM 6 Alternate Delegate @two_step_eve on Twitter My Blog
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Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
4009
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Posted - 2013.04.17 17:34:00 -
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Many thanks to CCP Dolan for working hard to pull this together in time for the last day of elections, and thanks to all of the CCP staff who contributed their time as well.
Make sure you all get to the polls and vote!
If you need any suggestions you can find my recommendations on my personal blog. Vice Secretary of the 7th Council of Stellar Management.
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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
903
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Posted - 2013.04.17 17:40:00 -
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first page \o/ Ripard Teg-á for CSM 8 slot 1, Mike Azariah slot 2 Disclaimer: CCP Bias is a fictional character. In case that some CCP Bias does exist,-áis he an "ex"-Goon? |
Kelduum Revaan
EVE University Ivy League
2033
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Posted - 2013.04.17 17:40:00 -
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Thanks to CCP Dolan and all the others who took time to write about how the CSM has affected them in the different departments within CCP.
If you somehow haven't voted already, go do your duty and VOTE! Kelduum Revaan CEO, EVE University |
Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1818
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Posted - 2013.04.17 17:46:00 -
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attn highsec: this is your last chance to stop the nullsec domination of CSM8
(you won't) Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge ****.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006
~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |
Trebor Daehdoow
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
2869
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Posted - 2013.04.17 18:03:00 -
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If I didn't know better, I'd almost think they like us.... Click here to vote for Trebor GÇó Candidacy Thread GÇó CSM Blog |
Sarmatiko
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Posted - 2013.04.17 18:07:00 -
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I don't want to be represented by any of available candidates (and I believe that I'm not the only one) for many reasons: some of them slacked in the past, some represent huge blocs, some just marginal. But there is no option to let CCP know about low quality of candidates and vote "against all". So I will not vote.
"Representative voice of the community" just can't be truly representative if you don't want to hear all community voices.
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
7781
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Posted - 2013.04.17 18:08:00 -
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Will be interesting to hear the outcome and statistics of this round.
/c
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Uppsy Daisy
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
258
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Posted - 2013.04.17 18:11:00 -
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Sarmatiko wrote:I don't want to be represented by any of available candidates (and I believe that I'm not the only one) for many reasons: some of them slacked in the past, some represent huge blocs, some just marginal. But there is no option to let CCP know about low quality of candidates and vote "against all". So I will not vote.
"Representative voice of the community" just can't be truly representative if you don't want to hear all community voices.
Changed your mind?
https://twitter.com/myronik/status/324472024934256640 |
Sarmatiko
1040
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Posted - 2013.04.17 18:16:00 -
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Nope I just lied so save Sleipnir.
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CCP Affinity
C C P C C P Alliance
996
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Posted - 2013.04.17 18:26:00 -
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Trebor Daehdoow wrote:If I didn't know better, I'd almost think they like us....
Luckily, you do know better... ;) CCP Affinity | Follow me on Twitter Content Designer for EVE Online |
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CCP Dolan
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2013.04.17 18:26:00 -
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Sarmatiko wrote:Nope I just lied so save Sleipnir.
kk nerfing Sleipner, brb. CCP Dolan | Community Representative
Twitter: @CCPDolan
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
8701
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Posted - 2013.04.17 18:35:00 -
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It's a lovely devblog, and if it had been released 3 weeks ago, it would probably have had a very positive effect on the election.
With less than 36 hours left until the polls close.... well, it's a lovely devblog. Please vote for me for CSM8-áhere
My recommended voting list |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
8703
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Posted - 2013.04.17 18:36:00 -
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Sarmatiko wrote:I don't want to be represented by any of available candidates (and I believe that I'm not the only one) for many reasons: some of them slacked in the past, some represent huge blocs, some just marginal. But there is no option to let CCP know about low quality of candidates and vote "against all". So I will not vote.
"Representative voice of the community" just can't be truly representative if you don't want to hear all community voices.
What does "marginal" mean? Does it mean "not representing a huge bloc"? Please vote for me for CSM8-áhere
My recommended voting list |
Chitsa Jason
Infinity Explorers Exhale.
497
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Posted - 2013.04.17 18:51:00 -
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The election is almost over. go vote everyone :) Chitsa Jason for CSM 8 Twitter:-á@ChitsaJason Skype: Casparas
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Cass Lie
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.04.17 18:52:00 -
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This will be an invaluable resource for the future - whenever someone comes with the CSM is useless/does nothing/PR stunt etc. gimmick, it will be possible to bash him over the head with this devblog.
Thanks to all the CCP devs for their time. |
Sarmatiko
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Posted - 2013.04.17 19:08:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:What does "marginal" mean? Does it mean "not representing a huge bloc"? No it doesn't mean that. It does mean that there is still random candidates with weak unrealistic programs or marginal behavior . Voting for neutral candidates (like you) with STV, just because there is no other options left just no good for sane elections.
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Manssell
OmiHyperMultiNationalDrunksConglomerate
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Posted - 2013.04.17 19:09:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:It's a lovely devblog, and if it had been released 3 weeks ago, it would probably have had a very positive effect on the election.
With less than 36 hours left until the polls close.... well, it's a lovely devblog.
Came here to roll my eyes at CCP and say this. But since you beat me to it in such a fashion you defiantly just secured one of my votes. |
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mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
845
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Posted - 2013.04.17 19:17:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:first page \o/ Is it too late to throw a few bribes out to the CSM8 candidates? Better yet how do we get CCP Dolan to throw out a bunch of NULL SEC blocks ballots due to something like hanging chads?
Can't win the election fairly, so you're looking to cheat.
Are you an American? We have a lovely political party you'd fit right in with called the "GOP". Mynnna for CSM 8 |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
904
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Posted - 2013.04.17 19:27:00 -
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mynnna wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:first page \o/ Is it too late to throw a few bribes out to the CSM8 candidates? Better yet how do we get CCP Dolan to throw out a bunch of NULL SEC blocks ballots due to something like hanging chads? Can't win the election fairly, so you're looking to cheat. Are you an American? We have a lovely political party you'd fit right in with called the "GOP".
Actually my family is from Chicago & my dead grandpa is still voting for Dailey's Democratic Machine there... This is EVE OF COURSE I'LL CHEAT Ripard Teg-á for CSM 8 slot 1, Mike Azariah slot 2 Disclaimer: CCP Bias is a fictional character. In case that some CCP Bias does exist,-áis he an "ex"-Goon? |
Two step
Aperture Harmonics K162
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Posted - 2013.04.17 19:44:00 -
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Sarmatiko wrote: Just one example about CSM 7 (and 6): for past two years UAxDeath posted absolutely nothing relevant about his CSM work not on EVE-O, nor on ru forum where he advertised his "election program". How can we evaluate his work if he never communicated with players? Yes we seen cool photos and tweets about crazy russian, about how he poisoned CSM with vodka, about Blue Lagoon trip and so on. But do we really need jesters in CSM? And how can we measure real effectiveness of each CSM member without blurry generic devblogs?
So I understand how he could have been elected for CSM 6, but don't you think that players should take responsibility for re-electing him to CSM 7?
I mean, I love death, he is *great* at the summits, but he isn't putting in enough time. The thing is, players knew this. You could tell that he wasn't around, wasn't posting or tweeting. He still got several thousand people to vote for him, and why is that anyone's fault but his voters? CSM 7 Secretary CSM 6 Alternate Delegate @two_step_eve on Twitter My Blog
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Cass Lie
State War Academy Caldari State
68
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Posted - 2013.04.17 19:51:00 -
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Cass Lie wrote:This will be an invaluable resource for the future - whenever someone comes with the CSM is useless/does nothing/PR stunt etc. gimmick, it will be possible to bash him over the head with this devblog. Just one example about CSM 7 (and 6): for past two years UAxDeath posted absolutely nothing relevant about his CSM work not on EVE-O, nor on ru forum where he advertised his "election program". How can we evaluate his work if he never communicated with players? Yes we seen cool photos and tweets about crazy russian, about how he poisoned CSM with vodka, about Blue Lagoon trip and so on. But do we really need jesters in CSM? And how can we measure real effectiveness of each CSM member without blurry generic devblogs?[/quote]
I thought you might be Russian after reading your first reply. I kinda understand your frustration with what you see as no available good candidates, but I think there are some very good people running at least outside of the Russian community. Why not send a vote their way? The point is, in the end, the more votes CSM gets, the more power it will have when it somehow runs into disputes with CCP. This could hardly be a bad thing. (Also, Krutoj seemed like an active candidate from the outside, but way of the ru forums are mysterious.)
But you have a point - there should be an abstain option. It used to be there in the past elections. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
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Posted - 2013.04.17 19:55:00 -
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So the CSM is useful to CCP? Nice to know. But it begs to question why the CSM is as useful to the player base as democracy in ancient Athens was to the average denizen of the polis. The Greater Fool Bar-áis now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden!-áIngame chat channel: The Greater Fool Bar |
Trebor Daehdoow
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
2871
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Posted - 2013.04.17 20:04:00 -
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Cass Lie wrote:I thought you might be Russian after reading your first reply. I kinda understand your frustration with what you see as no available good candidates, but I think there are some very good people running at least outside of the Russian community. I worked with Korvin on CSM5. He will be a hard-working delegate if he gets elected to CSM8. Russians who have yet to vote should vote ballots with Korvin in first place. Me in second, of course! Click here to vote for Trebor GÇó Candidacy Thread GÇó CSM Blog |
Sarmatiko
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Posted - 2013.04.17 20:15:00 -
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Two step wrote:So I understand how he could have been elected for CSM 6, but don't you think that players should take responsibility for re-electing him to CSM 7? He was elected by bloc vote of course. And Mittani exclusion from CSM7 helped him get his lucky ticket to Iceland. It will be fair to compare his results to yours, because you was noticeable in CSM6 and re-elected after successful work with great increase in votes.
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Seleene
Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion
2495
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Posted - 2013.04.17 20:33:00 -
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While the skeptics and naysayers will deny it, the community has been extraordinarily lucky with the composition and actions of recent CSMGÇÖs. Each of the last three CSMs were the right CSM for the time, with the right people on them to keep pushing things forward. CSM 5 showed that even a partially unified CSM could make enough waves to rock the boat; CSM 6 proved the CSM was a force for positive change and could not be ignored; CSM 7 hammered CCP to ~deliver~ on the true potential of the CSM project by demanding and getting unprecedented access. Whoever ends up on CSM 8 will be in an excellent position to keep things moving forward.
As a CSM candidate, if you think youGÇÖre running for CSM so you can go to Iceland and be a Junior Game Designer, thatGÇÖs not the case. You are not going to sell your T3 Modular Titan, Capital Mining Ship or T2 production replacement idea to Soundwave or Greyscale no matter how drunk they are. Well, probably not. What you CAN do is take those ideas and, along with your fellow CSMs, present them in a context that drives the larger conversation forward; because thatGÇÖs really what being on the CSM is all about GÇô you are part of a very large, daily and important conversation with the makers of the game. They are people just like you, with many of the same in game frustrations as yourself. Talk to them as you would a corp director about what is pissing you off about some game mechanic and, more often than not, youGÇÖll find common agreement. Where you donGÇÖt, itGÇÖs an opportunity for intelligent and articulate debate. Should you be elected, expect to work WITH your fellow CSM members more than against. Yes, there are and will be disagreements but time has proven that when you get a bunch of spaceship nerds into one room, be it as a CSM summit or Fanfest, youGÇÖre probably going to agree on 95% of everything that is right or wrong about the game.
As a voter, realize there is no such thing as a GÇÿperfect politicianGÇÖ, but you should strive to elect people that are capable of seeing all sides of an argument while still being able to stand up for their / your views.
Thank you to CCP for posting this dev blog and I hope all of this helps people understand a little more about the CSM and what all the fuss is about. CSM 7 Chairman My Blog - Where I say stuff Follow Seleene on Twitter! |
mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
846
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Posted - 2013.04.17 20:36:00 -
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Seleene wrote:You are not going to sell your T3 Modular Titan, Capital Mining Ship or T2 production replacement idea to Soundwave or Greyscale no matter how drunk they are.
Or your "bring back tracking titans" ideas, for that matter... Mynnna for CSM 8 |
Alekseyev Karrde
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
1153
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Posted - 2013.04.17 20:37:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:It's a lovely devblog, and if it had been released 3 weeks ago, it would probably have had a very positive effect on the election.
With less than 36 hours left until the polls close.... well, it's a lovely devblog. I really appreciate the time and kind words given by so many members of the CCP staff that I work and talk with on a daily basis. But yeah, this needed come out a week ago. It's a wonderful testament to how far the CCP/player relationship has come but unfortunately I expect most people will be reading it going "Well darn, wish i could have voted" "Alekseyev Karrde: mercenary of my heart."-á -Arydanika, Voices from the Void
Hero of the CSM Noir./Noir. Academy Recruiting: www.noirmercs.com |
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