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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
904
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Posted - 2013.04.17 19:36:00 -
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Word in the forums about comming resource changes have brought up an interesting idea to discuss:
How would POS fuel & other markets be affected if icefields were moved out of HI SEC?
Seems to me with the LONG Ice Harvestor cycles harvesting in NULL/LO is overly risky unless you are in deep SOV.
Also WH's have no Ice fields would they quicky be taking a POS fuel hike hit due to thier dependance on transporting it in?
Ripard Teg-á for CSM 8 slot 1, Mike Azariah slot 2
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Daimon Kaiera
213
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Posted - 2013.04.17 19:41:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:affected if icefields were moved out of HI SEC?
I can see where this thread is going.
Crash and burn.
Here by talk start if go able? |
Sentient Blade
Walk It Off
895
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Posted - 2013.04.17 19:41:00 -
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It would be a pretty sad state of affairs if it cost a billion a month or more to fuel a basic POS, something which people should aspire to do, because all the ice was moved into null.
But yes, from personal experience, nullsec mining is rarely done except for when surrounded by a large buffer of blues. These minerals and ice almost all go towards the local POS towers. |
stoicfaux
2590
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Posted - 2013.04.17 19:41:00 -
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Aside from bots, those who inhabit null/low don't strike me as the "mine ice until they drop dead of boredom" types. Moving the fields plus a major bot ban by CCP would probably crash the economy in both null and high. |
Nathalie LaPorte
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
87
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Posted - 2013.04.17 19:44:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:Aside from bots, those who inhabit null/low don't strike me as the "mine ice until they drop dead of boredom" types. Moving the fields plus a major bot ban by CCP would probably crash the economy in both null and high.
Why would that be bad? |
J'Ribs
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2013.04.17 19:46:00 -
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Maybe Ice will run out.
The Jita belts ran out.
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Nathalie LaPorte
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
88
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Posted - 2013.04.17 19:50:00 -
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J'Ribs wrote:Maybe Ice will run out.
The Jita belts ran out.
The Ice must flow. |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
904
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Posted - 2013.04.17 19:50:00 -
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J'Ribs wrote:Maybe Ice will run out.
The Jita belts ran out.
Or a change that made ICE fields deplete quicker ( yes they do occasionally pop)? Though that would pissoff the western Pacific TZ's again to no end.
Ripard Teg-á for CSM 8 slot 1, Mike Azariah slot 2
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Felicity Love
STARKRAFT
Joint Venture Conglomerate
478
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Posted - 2013.04.17 20:00:00 -
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Ice fields have been nerfed before.
They were not set to deplete like asteroids belts, but completely removed from the game map.
While I doubt that ice fields will disappear entirely from any region of EVE, I would not be surprised to see both:
a) ice fields set to deplete, in the same fashion as asteroids, and
b) at least partially relocated in the form of a scannable site, aka: "comets". Call it a "gas cloud with ice". Whatever. 
Particularly since we're getting a whole new spin on "Scanning" with Odyssey -- some form of diminished, but relocated ice supply is at least plausible.
We might even see some manifestation of "ring mining", although not much has been said about that wondrous notion since the last Fanfest ( CCP Soundwave's keynote speech, IIRC).
In the meantime, stay tuned to Fanfest for any juicy tidbits of actual fact -- or not.
Proud Beta Tester for "Bumping Uglies for Dummies" |
Murk Paradox
Red Tsunami
Moon Warriors
307
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Posted - 2013.04.17 20:03:00 -
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Gravimetric site only(of sorts).
Aquametric?
/nod
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-TheGunslinger42
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Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
1323
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Posted - 2013.04.17 20:07:00 -
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I want more action mining to get the most out of the speed and manoeuvrability of my Skiff. The +10% ores just don't cut it.
Mining Overhaul
Nothing changed since 2008. |
Sentient Blade
Walk It Off
895
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Posted - 2013.04.17 20:09:00 -
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I'd be all in favour of exploration being required to find them. Maybe 1 or 2 comets automatically spread out among each constellation, with enough ice in them to last 3 or 4 hours at the mining levels of the current belts.
If you really want to make ice mining worthwhile you make every offline POS explode after 3 weeks and then watch as all those offline towers get replaced by new ones all requiring fuel.
Maybe add battleship rats to ice belts as well. I can see a new profession forming, merc logistics that would rep anyone they had on their books as having paid a monthly "protection" fee when they came under attack from the NPCs. |
Karl Hobb
Stellar Ore Refinery and Crematorium
1571
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Posted - 2013.04.17 20:10:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Or a change that made ICE fields deplete quicker ( yes they do occasionally pop)? Though that would pissoff the western Pacific TZ's again to no end.
Thanks, ****.
Professional bad guys were unfortunately not available so instead they sent me.
Voter response is quite good this time around:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-qCaz2OlMecY/UWhTTh_NfFI/AAAAAAAAPOE/ryjfQkApycs/s1600/05.jpg |
mynnna
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
845
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Posted - 2013.04.17 20:29:00 -
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Even just leaving them in highsec but setting them to deplete would probably triple the price of isotopes. Do other things, and it goes up from there.
Mynnna for CSM 8 |
Felicity Love
STARKRAFT
Joint Venture Conglomerate
478
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Posted - 2013.04.17 20:33:00 -
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Murk Paradox wrote:Gravimetric site only(of sorts).
Aquametric?
/nod
Yeah, a "gravimetric" would do... and CCP could be really imaginative and seed "comets" around the edges of any given star system.
For lack of a better term, call it an "Oort Cloud" idea.
Proud Beta Tester for "Bumping Uglies for Dummies" |
turmajin
The Scope
Gallente Federation
21
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Posted - 2013.04.17 20:42:00 -
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I dont really think ICE will be moved out of high sec to be honest.The price would sky rocket,and only the alliances with massive ISK incomes could realy offord to keep furling moon POSes ect in any numbers.Which would be a substantial barrier to new corps getting into null and even low .I can see ICE fields being depleted as do the asteriod fields atm,and that would be advantagous to some degree in liniting POSes on moons.But again it would wildly affect the big rich alliances .New sorces of ICE products would also be nice COMETS or ICE clounds. |
Nathalie LaPorte
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
89
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Posted - 2013.04.17 20:46:00 -
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turmajin wrote:I dont really think ICE will be moved out of high sec to be honest.The price would sky rocket,and only the alliances with massive ISK incomes could realy offord to keep furling moon POSes ect in any numbers.Which would be a substantial barrier to new corps getting into null and even low .I can see ICE fields being depleted as do the asteriod fields atm,and that would be advantagous to some degree in liniting POSes on moons.But again it would wildly affect the big rich alliances .New sorces of ICE products wouldnt also be nice COMETS or ICE clounds.
The NEW source of ICE products will be the FROZEN tears of posters here, flash frozen into VALUABLE products by the pure cold OF nullsec. WORD.
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Djana Libra
The Black Ops
S2N Citizens
140
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Posted - 2013.04.17 20:52:00 -
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ice mining alt wanting to drive the price up spotted! |
Nathalie LaPorte
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
90
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Posted - 2013.04.17 21:07:00 -
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Djana Libra wrote:ice mining alt wanting to drive the price up spotted!
confirming that market speculation, measured by ISK invested, is done primarily by casual miners, and not quintillionaire traders.
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baltec1
Bat Country
6012
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Posted - 2013.04.17 21:09:00 -
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Nathalie LaPorte wrote:Djana Libra wrote:ice mining alt wanting to drive the price up spotted! confirming that market speculation, measured by ISK invested, is done primarily by casual miners, and not quintillionaire traders.
It was EN24 that caused one of the ice spikes. |
forestwho
Foonfleet Investment Banking
45
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Posted - 2013.04.17 21:17:00 -
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He said it right,
High sec ice gets moved to wormholespace,
now pls move along |
Tessla Coil
Pirannha Corp
38
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Posted - 2013.04.17 21:17:00 -
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turmajin wrote:I dont really think ICE will be moved out of high sec to be honest.The price would sky rocket,and only the alliances with massive ISK incomes could realy offord to keep furling moon POSes ect in any numbers.Which would be a substantial barrier to new corps getting into null and even low .I can see ICE fields being depleted as do the asteriod fields atm,and that would be advantagous to some degree in liniting POSes on moons.But again it wouldnt wildly affect the big rich alliances .New sorces of ICE products wouldnt also be nice COMETS or ICE clounds.Ring mining i dont see happening till at least next year tbh
Yes, the price would skyrocket. Yes, this would become another massive income stream for the null sec cartels.
Which is precisely what will likely happen.
Listen/watch what Soundwave said in the Twitch TV podcast about a week ago. |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
905
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Posted - 2013.04.17 21:18:00 -
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Felicity Love wrote:Ice fields have been nerfed before.
While I doubt that ice fields will disappear entirely from any region of EVE, I would not be surprised to see both:
Well actually there are no ICE fields in the entire regions of WH's ( but you're technically correct that they wouldn't disappear from there since they are not already there )
Ripard Teg-á for CSM 8 slot 1, Mike Azariah slot 2
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baltec1
Bat Country
6013
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Posted - 2013.04.17 21:20:00 -
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So we have evidence of this? |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
3142
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Posted - 2013.04.17 21:26:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:So we have evidence of this?
This thread has 'speculation' in the title. Evidence and/or proof and/or facts are not required. 
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
1759
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Posted - 2013.04.17 21:29:00 -
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Felicity Love wrote:Murk Paradox wrote:Gravimetric site only(of sorts).
Aquametric?
/nod Yeah, a "gravimetric" would do... and CCP could be really imaginative and seed "comets" around the edges of any given star system. For lack of a better term, call it an "Oort Cloud" idea.
One issue with making them all grav sites is barges and exhumers do not have a utility high for the probe launcher. Or the discovery scanner, whatever it is. The result is a lengthy process of first scanning with one ship, then going back and getting the miner.
Then again if the ice site is so huge miners are willing to share I could see ice mining chat channels springing up where you ask if there is a nearby site, and fleeting up to get a warp-in. (no gankers will not be that big an issue with that system, as its no easier than warping to an ice miner right now). This would actually foster interaction between miners.
http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
Nathalie LaPorte
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
91
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Posted - 2013.04.17 21:38:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:So we have evidence of this?
google: ccp soundwave twitch interview , read top link .
tl;dr: soundwave says maybe changing Ice to be more like oil on earth, and less like a commodity manufactured by bots in highsec, could be good.
Take that for what it is. |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
1759
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Posted - 2013.04.17 22:01:00 -
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There is always my "erupting comet" idea.
Replace ice belts with comets. They could be fixed, findable on D-scan, or with probes.
Comets are mined just like ice roids. Fly up to it, target and mine.
Comets have gas eruptions. These start out as a visible cloud pattern on the surface. If you see one under your ship you got a minute to fly away.
If you do not fly away the eruption takes place and pushes your ship away from the comet, breaking your mining cycle.
Exotic ices could have eruptions that damage your ship.
The eruptions would come often enough that if you just started mining and went afk you could be fairly sure that in 10 minutes or so you would get hit by an eruption. Note that blindly orbiting the comet does not help as you could just as easily fly into an eruption as fly away from one.
Now for a bot to mine this it will need to be able to read the screen had recognize the pre-eruption pattern. Quite possible, but not by your basic bot. CCP could mess the bots up more by having dozens of different cloud patterns, some signifying an eruption, others not, and changing it day to day. A player could figure it out by watching the comet for a few minutes. The bot.. might have issues.
Isboxer users would also have an issue. Usually they spread their ships all over a belt. But with a comet that would mean each is over a different part and subject to different eruptions. A common command of, say, "fly down" would not work for all ships. They could cluster the barges all close to each other so they can all be moved out of the way of the same eruption, but that makes them smartbomb fodder.
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
3144
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Posted - 2013.04.17 22:05:00 -
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Ive got the perfect solution.
Make Ice fields and asteroids depletable and never respawn.
Make asteroid fields and icebelts regenerate by making planets destructible.
Planet splosion = More rocks and Ice.
Miners are happy about all the new rocks and balls of ice, Everyone else is happy because they have planets to shoot and watch explode.
As for planets respawning... well, we will leave that up to the mice.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
905
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Posted - 2013.04.17 22:11:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Ive got the perfect solution.
Make Ice fields and asteroids depletable and never respawn.
Make asteroid fields and icebelts regenerate by making planets MOONS destructible.
FIXED & this too redistributes moon goo in NULL
Ripard Teg-á for CSM 8 slot 1, Mike Azariah slot 2
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