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Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.04.18 16:05:00 -
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Lallante wrote:You aren't going to be banned for a technical breach.
It happens all the time.
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Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.04.18 17:59:00 -
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Roime wrote:Frogs wrote:CCP Stillman wrote:Ganthrithor wrote:If your department doesn't have the capacity to evaluate and green-list third party tools then you need to avoid language that makes using any tool an EULA violation. The language of the third party policies post does not change the EULA. It simply explains the EULA more in depth. We can't green-list third party tools. For one thing, doing so could make us legally liable for the actions done by third parties. So I'm afraid it's not just feasible, even if it would make things easier. This is so awesome. I'm going to get all of Test banned. I'll just sit in Delve and petition anyone that logs in changes a skill, then logs out as an obvious cheater. Clearly they used EVEmon (an evil third party tool that uses cache scraping and explicitly against the EULA) to know it was time to log in and make the in game change. Thanks for this CCP. EVEMon uses the API to check for skills It's your bots that you are worried about, and you should be.
because bots never violated the eula until today c/d
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Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.04.18 19:59:00 -
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I have MSVS 2010 on my PC, I guess I should get rid of it before CCP deems it a EULA violation because it can be used to not just design, but compile, debug and test botting software!
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Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.04.18 20:14:00 -
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The Pooptani wrote:If you guys were good programmers you would just write a program to get the data from somewhere else
Yeah uh the only way to get market data is through the cache
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Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.04.18 20:52:00 -
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iskflakes wrote:I also have to put up with a new "developer license" getting rammed down my throat, which says CCP own my soul and my source code. I'm not even sure why I bother really...
It isn't that ridiculous. http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/73971
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GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.04.18 21:10:00 -
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iskflakes wrote:Did you read the bit that requires me to disclose source code if CCP asks for it?
Edit: In case you missed it: "upon written request of CCP delivered to Developer, to inspect the workings of the Application, including but not limited to its source code. "
Guess you missed this: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2464800#post2464800
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Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.04.18 22:01:00 -
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Alona Gene wrote:So, ISBoxer charges a subscription fee to provide updates to their software.
Your marketing department should be ON THAT.
Make your own software that is specialized in eve, that you have control over, works better, AND costs say, 1 plex per 90 days of sub.
A. More subscriptions.
B. More money per subscription (adding more paid services to the game)
C. CCP makes more money, uses money to make eve an even better game / company.
Hell, if 20% of subs in eve were buying an extra plex every 3 months for access to CCP's multi-boxing software, that would be (400,000 / 5 = 80,000 accounts, x 1 plex per 90 days = 320,000 more plex bought per year =...) a $5,600,000 increase in CCP annual revenue.
It doesn't take a genus to see how that could help.
**As the security team, has this idea come up before?
Maybe you could hire more people for the Art Department that you're always blaming as the bottleneck?
I doubt they'd ever do that. They'd have to develop a solution that is just as good as ISBoxer while having enough EVE-specific features to justify the 20-33% price difference. Otherwise they'd be telling players "hey use our horribly inferior multiboxing software which isn't anywhere as good as ISBoxer" and nobody would switch, or worse, they'd only allow multiboxers to use the CCP software, which would probably cause a good number of multiboxers who do anything more complicated than ice mining to reduce their number of accounts.
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Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.04.20 08:33:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Agent Trask wrote:How about a simple flat statement from CCP?
Something like: "EvEMon is allowed.", or some such.
If you are going to pick and choose what third party cache scraping tools are bannable or not, then you will need to give us a list of what is allowable. No, CCP just dug their own grave. From now on, every single bot and cheat will mimick EvEMon to stay "legit enough" till CCP will break down and will have to ban EvEMon and other legit scrappers too.
Look I agree that this blanket ban (with exceptions wink wink hurrrrr) on character scraping is dumb as hell but I don't think that "Hey guys look at this character monitor I made that also automates your market orders for you" is going to be legitimate like EVEMon, like at all
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GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.04.20 09:11:00 -
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DeODokktor wrote:I am with you on this one.
I am sure a freighter going 35 jumps through empire, passing through gank systems, getting bumped by hundreds of ships, and taking several hours for it to happen causes a LOT less load than the trip happening in half an hour, with no players scanning the ship, with no other ships bumping into it, and no other ships having to constantly update cords of that freighter.
Of course WTZ uses more system resources....
And it's still a cheat. Stop trying to justify it, the players who used it were only temporarily banned for 30 days instead of the permanent ban that you normally get for code injection. If you got a 30 day on an account, take it in stride and stop cheating your way around limitations that the developers set for a reason.
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