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IgnoreTheDroid
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Posted - 2013.04.18 15:49:00 -
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Cache scraping is against eula... except we won't enforce it on some things that use it but we will allow the players to guess at what is allowed..
Glad we got a nice clear and concise definition of what is allowed and isn't. |

IgnoreTheDroid
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Posted - 2013.04.18 16:03:00 -
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Lallante wrote:IgnoreTheDroid wrote:Cache scraping is against eula... except we won't enforce it on some things that use it but we will allow the players to guess at what is allowed..
Glad we got a nice clear and concise definition of what is allowed and isn't. That's the whole point. If you give people a clear, definitive explanation of what is allowed, smart, bad people will immediately set about exploiting the **** out of the loopholes. CCP is using deliberately open-ended language in the same way that in many countries, criminal laws do. They want there to a grey area SO that they can approach each case on its own merits and dont have their hands tied when they have to deal with a clearly abusive case which is "technically" on the legitimate side of a clear dividing line. Its a good policy and one I wholeheartedly agree with as a lawyer.
That's where the nice clause of "we can ban you at anytime for any reason" comes into play. People are going to find and exploit loopholes no matter what. This isn't going to stop it at all. All it is doing is making legitimate players worried that their actions are now a bannable offense because there is no clear statement on what is allowed and isn't. |

IgnoreTheDroid
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Posted - 2013.04.18 16:05:00 -
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Lallante wrote:seth Hendar wrote:as a RL lawyer, you should be aware that this is dependent of the countrys, and in france, if CCP ban someone with no reason, said person can fill a lawsuit and will win, because of customer protective laws (btw, EULA are of no value at all in France). Incorrect. While a EULA might not be legally enforceable as a contract, that doesn't prevent CCP from refusing access to its services to whoever it likes for whatever reason it likes. At best consumer protection law might get you a refund of unused, pre-purchased subscription time (doesnt apply if you use ISK bought plexs), which will be vastly less than any legal fees incurred, so good luck with that.
Laws are different depending on where you live if you didn't know. e-Lawyer detected. Not everyone has the same consumer protection laws. |

IgnoreTheDroid
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Posted - 2013.04.18 16:06:00 -
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Lallante wrote:IgnoreTheDroid wrote:Lallante wrote:IgnoreTheDroid wrote:Cache scraping is against eula... except we won't enforce it on some things that use it but we will allow the players to guess at what is allowed..
Glad we got a nice clear and concise definition of what is allowed and isn't. That's the whole point. If you give people a clear, definitive explanation of what is allowed, smart, bad people will immediately set about exploiting the **** out of the loopholes. CCP is using deliberately open-ended language in the same way that in many countries, criminal laws do. They want there to a grey area SO that they can approach each case on its own merits and dont have their hands tied when they have to deal with a clearly abusive case which is "technically" on the legitimate side of a clear dividing line. Its a good policy and one I wholeheartedly agree with as a lawyer. That's where the nice clause of "we can ban you at anytime for any reason" comes into play. People are going to find and exploit loopholes no matter what. This isn't going to stop it at all. All it is doing is making legitimate players worried that their actions are now a bannable offense because there is no clear statement on what is allowed and isn't. Its going to stop legitimate players taking comfort from EULA wording to justify using a cheat. This eliminates much of the market for such cheats, which in turn discourages their development.
So evemon is a cheat? CCP, in this thread, said that evemon is fine...
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IgnoreTheDroid
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Posted - 2013.04.18 16:19:00 -
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Lallante wrote:IgnoreTheDroid wrote:Lallante wrote:
Its going to stop legitimate players taking comfort from EULA wording to justify using a cheat. This eliminates much of the market for such cheats, which in turn discourages their development.
So evemon is a cheat? CCP, in this thread, said that evemon is fine... Then its probably fine. Its for each individual player to use their brain when deciding whether to use a tool whether it could constitute a cheat, unfair advantage, exploit or other circumvention of intended game mechanics.
And thats the problem right there. At any point in time CCP could decide that they don't like evemon anymore and consider it a cheat. There is not clear cut definition of what is and isn't allowed.
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