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Kismeteer
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.04.18 16:27:00 -
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So, I used evemon today, after April 15th, along with maybe every other pilot in eve. Which does cache scraping.
So when are you banning all of eve? Your written policies are clear as mud about discretion. Should we be telling our pilots to not use evemon? If you're going to make exceptions, shouldn't you have a published list of exceptions?
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Third_Party_Policies
Quote:We recognize that some players have engaged in cache scraping in the past, and we want to be clear this practice is not permitted. That said, unless there is an extreme case (i.e., cache scraping combined with other EULA violations), we will not penalize players who have engaged in this practice prior to 15 April 2013. Now that we have made our intent and policy clear, we may, in our sole discretion, deliver appropriate penalties for players that engage in cache scraping after 15 April 2013 (including temporary or permanent bans). In addition, we also may consider eliminating the cache to eliminate this practice and for performance reasons.
So, do we get temporary bans and you guys get a mass desubscription, or do you just do permanent bans and all of the eve devs find new jobs? Or is 'discretion' a code word for ' Your program that does cache scraping must be *this* popular to stay in use'? |
Kismeteer
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.04.18 16:42:00 -
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Altrue wrote:Nice job CCP ;)
I don't understand why people are whinning here, except if they are not clean, of course...
You should understand this:
Are you using evemon? You too could be 'dirty', if you checked certain boxes in it.
Will CCP ban you? Who knows, it's their call! |
Kismeteer
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.04.18 16:48:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:
Except of course that they point blank explained that they won't, and why.
You choose to ignore that.
Except they won't give a list of approved applications. Only this one. And even that is an informal post by a dev in a thread, not in their posted policies and procedures. And no way to get on that approved applications.
And who says they won't change their minds? |
Kismeteer
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.04.18 17:06:00 -
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I love the bot banning stuff, I really want Jita local to be readable, a simple request really.
But here's the thing: People develop tools to enjoy their game, mainly because they are not getting cooperation from the developer. (Which is fine if they're working on internet spaceships and not playing doll dress up.) You can't just say 'we will turn a blind eye to this because we're busy' and not give clarification to what 'this' is.
But to come along and say 'You can't use this function that other applications are using, because those are good, and you're bad', that's bullshit. There is either a clearly defined way to use this information safely, or you say nobody can use it. OR you have applications go through a vetting process to say if they are 'clean' or not for using this information in a 'good' way.
If you want to say some programs are fine, like evemon, fine, do that. But do it in an official way, like on that wiki page you posted. Is evemon fine? Can I go to http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online/, he scrapes data from downloadable databases. Can I load custom overviews that look all fancy until I realize how annoying they are?
You can say it's all discretion until some small start up application starts getting used, then you ban everyone who has used it. It's like if someone started making an evemon replacement, and then you stomp it out of existence for also doing the market scraping, only because it wasn't popular enough.
Once again, I appreciate the sentiment of trying to do the 'right thing', CCP, but goddamn do you suck at communicating. |
Kismeteer
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.04.18 17:12:00 -
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Tippia wrote:No, he isn't. He's providing a front-end to reading the DB without the user having to resort to raw SQL queries GÇö which is rather the point of the database to begin with.
He's got it offline right now, but he sometimes posts stuff from the test server:
http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online/sisi_changes.php
This is scraped data. |
Kismeteer
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.04.18 17:28:00 -
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CCP Stillman wrote:We can't green-list third party tools. For one thing, doing so could make us legally liable for the actions done by third parties. So I'm afraid it's not just feasible, even if it would make things easier.
Can you at least consider 'this data is fine to scrape, this data is not'? or 'It's fine to use the data way, this way is not'? Saying nobody can use it with a *wink*evemon is just fine!*wink*, that's just no way to run a business. |
Kismeteer
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.04.18 17:54:00 -
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Roime wrote:EVEMon uses the API to check for skills
It's your bots that you are worried about, and you should be.
Evemon has a cache scraper to upload market data as well. You might not be using it at the moment, but it's still a program that is capable of using it. ie, you might pull a ban if CCP feels like banning you, with no warning, no recourse, and you're out however many years you sunk into eve.
The real botters I'm sure don't give a **** about this, they know they'll pull a ban eventually. And most likely move onto another account etc. |
Kismeteer
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.04.18 18:20:00 -
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CCP Peligro wrote:Yep, thanks, we are working on that. I just edited the OP, and the dev blog will be updated shortly.
Thank you sir, I can live with this solution.
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Kismeteer
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.04.20 00:55:00 -
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dr mineral wrote:the pvp is not over .
Sorry to say, the PVP is over. At least for you. |
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