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Muscaat
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Posted - 2013.04.18 15:01:00 -
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CCP Stillman wrote:
Trust me, we have no interest in banning people unless they are doing something that hurts the game.
Then why post all this crap about suddenly deciding that cache scraping has always been against the EULA and threaten to ban those who do it?
This attempt to clarify the situation seems to have done anything but. |
Muscaat
EVE Markets
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Posted - 2013.04.18 15:12:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Muscaat wrote:CCP Stillman wrote:
Trust me, we have no interest in banning people unless they are doing something that hurts the game.
Then why post all this crap about suddenly deciding that cache scraping has always been against the EULA and threaten to ban those who do it? This attempt to clarify the situation seems to have done anything but. Only if you are incredibly obtuse.
For years, CCP have been saying "cache scraping is OK". Then out of the blue we get a dev blog and wiki page telling us exactly the opposite: cache scraping is banned and CCP can ban you for doing it. Then, in the comments thread accompanying the dev blog, we get a dev saying in effect "it's banned and we can ban you for it, but we probably won't".
That's not exactly clarifying the situation to me.
I have a personal interest here: I have both written a market cache scraper and also run a website that uses scraped market data. Now, after investing years of development effort into both having been told it's OK to do so, CCP suddenly tell me I could be banned for it? That's not pleasant.
And there are many more people out there who've invested way more time and effort into developing third-party applications than I have.
It might seem like nitpicking, but when you've made a heavy investment into a game, suddenly being threatened with a ban for it rather makes one want to seek as much clarity as one can. |
Muscaat
EVE Markets
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Posted - 2013.04.18 15:21:00 -
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CCP Stillman wrote:Let me reiterate again. The EULA hasn't changed in this regard. This clarification is a response to the request of countless people who read a post by CCP Sreegs that claimed that it was technically against the EULA. This caused a lot of confusion, and we are here to clarify what he meant. Because he was right. Here's the post.
Thanks for taking the time to reply to my post. The logical conclusion, then, seems to be that all those who have developed cache reading technologies over the years should cease doing so, because while the letter of the EULA has not changed, the interpretation of that EULA has, and CCP are now threatening to ban those who read the game's cache files? |
Muscaat
EVE Markets
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Posted - 2013.04.18 15:28:00 -
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CCP Peligro wrote:
I absolutely understand your frustration. This was not intended as a threat in any way.
Please, consider the fact that cache scraping can be used for illegitimate purposes which are damaging to the overall health of the game, such as for example market bots. The policy is in place to protect the game and our players ability to enjoy the game.
A blanket yes or no is not possible in this case. With our statement of intent, I sincerely hope that our legitimate players don't worry about catching the ban hammer for something we genuinely aren't concerned about.
Thanks for the reply. (Two dev replies on the same day - I feel privileged!  ) |
Muscaat
EVE Markets
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Posted - 2013.04.18 16:57:00 -
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Wodensun wrote:Does this include data mining the eve DB for new ships ect ? Also it mentions packet captures being prohibited but they are traveling over _my_ network and I'm pretty sure I can do whatever I want on my network including making packet captures using wireshark or TCPdump also a lot of EvE players play over their corporate networks which are ocassionally monitored and captured as wel. Does this mean that those players are violating the EULA?
Yes and yes (from my layperson's standpoint - though the second point is more arguable since it's not the player themselves capturing the packet data). |
Muscaat
EVE Markets
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Posted - 2013.04.18 16:59:00 -
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Aurthes wrote:A question came to mind, and maybe I missed it due to the # of posts. Was this vetted through CSM 7? If so, was their opposition? If they weren't consulted, then why have a CSM? Is CSM 7 successful? I read the CSM rep who said he gave input after the decision was made.
Two Step has confirmed that the CSM were not told about this in advance:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2899575#post2899575 |
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