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Caldorous
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Posted - 2005.09.21 15:29:00 -
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Seems that this month everyone likes the gallente ships, the demimos de damage dealer, dominix the most versatile tier 1 bs, blah blah
I personally use gallente ships most of the time (although i can use raven and apoc) but this is somewhat getting out of hand... (as all the races should be equally compensated)
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Torquemanda Corteaz
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Posted - 2005.09.21 15:43:00 -
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ishtar is flogged as the best hac by a lot of people and same goes for the dominix. On the other hand all gallente ships are god awful when it comes to cap, hence those 2 nos ships of doom i just mentioned :)
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Mallik Hendrake
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Posted - 2005.09.21 15:49:00 -
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Actually I noticed Gallente was awesome eight months ago, and started training for them then, and they just kept getting better :P
Very glad I abandoned my Caldari roots months before the missile change. yarr!
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fairimear
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Posted - 2005.09.21 15:50:00 -
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 Originally by: Mallik Hendrake
Actually I noticed Gallente was awesome eight months ago, and started training for them then, and they just kept getting better :P
Very glad I abandoned my Caldari roots months before the missile change. yarr!
only 8 months ago, i relised over a year ago.
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Weirda
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Posted - 2005.09.21 15:55:00 -
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it funny - sometimes the flavour just change because ppl get their head out of their ass for a minute - even when there no changes to the game... 
flavour of the monthÖ - is flawed.
it usually seem that ppl just start doing things that they could have done for a LONG time...
minmatar 4tw®!!! 
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Caldorous
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Posted - 2005.09.21 16:06:00 -
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Originally by: Weirda
it funny - sometimes the flavour just change because ppl get their head out of their ass for a minute - even when there no changes to the game...
flavour of the monthÖ - is flawed.
it usually seem that ppl just start doing things that they could have done for a LONG time...
minmatar 4tw®!!!
True, some months ago, the megathron gained love from the community because the blasters got a 1 cap reduction by shot but lately no changes have come to the game (unless the missile change which made me concentrate on gunnery and start making jokes about the missile users of my corp  )
hehe, minmatar is the only race I WONT train, i already have 5 mil sp in spaceship command (yes yes, i know im a intaki but what can i do, i like to have many ships to choice) i and think i wont train anything more than gallente or amarr (unless a caldari ship (mostly bs) with a lot of turrets and good tanking appears in the game)
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2005.03.13 01:11:29combatYour 350mm Railgun I perfectly strikes Asteroid (Veldspar), wrecking for 0.0 damage.
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DrunkenOne
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Posted - 2005.09.21 16:26:00 -
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Originally by: Caldorous
Originally by: Weirda
it funny - sometimes the flavour just change because ppl get their head out of their ass for a minute - even when there no changes to the game...
flavour of the monthÖ - is flawed.
it usually seem that ppl just start doing things that they could have done for a LONG time...
minmatar 4tw®!!!
True, some months ago, the megathron gained love from the community because the blasters got a 1 cap reduction by shot but lately no changes have come to the game (unless the missile change which made me concentrate on gunnery and start making jokes about the missile users of my corp )
hybrid grid reduction helped gallante a lot.
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Sangxianc
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Posted - 2005.09.21 17:18:00 -
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I've noticed this too and it has me worried because we might get nerfed :<
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Caldorous
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Posted - 2005.09.21 18:38:00 -
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Originally by: Sangxianc
I've noticed this too and it has me worried because we might get nerfed :<
If we get nerfed, only two ships will be affected (and one is on it's way) one is the thorax, and the other is the ishtar, both from the power that get from the drones. The thorax will have a drone bay reduction (but a pg boost that gives it as much grid as a deimos ^^).
So... i dont think we will get nerfed, the megathron is not the bs which more ppl is talking about.
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Joerd Toastius
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Posted - 2005.09.21 18:50:00 -
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People who cross-train purely so they can fly FOTM and then whine when it gets nerfed should be soundly beaten. IMO.
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Razner Cerizo
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Posted - 2005.09.21 18:56:00 -
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There are no flavors of the month without threads like these :0
"Oh. I thought AMARR was flavor of the month! Thanks for the update!"
bwahahaha XD
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Rufus Roughneck
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Posted - 2005.09.21 19:02:00 -
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Tbh neither Gallente BS is flavour of the month in anything really.
Both domi and mega are quite limited in what roles they support well.
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Imran
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Posted - 2005.09.21 19:04:00 -
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Galenteee \o/ just give me mega a mwd bonus.
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Remedial
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Posted - 2005.09.21 19:43:00 -
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Gallente have always been "good", it's just drone changes and adv. weapons upgrades have propelled them to near the top of the list.
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2005.09.21 19:56:00 -
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Originally by: Rufus Roughneck
Tbh neither Gallente BS is flavour of the month in anything really
the domi is IMO
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Arti K
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Posted - 2005.09.21 20:21:00 -
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Personally I haven't seen gallente ships doing anything particularly spectacular over the other races despite rigorous testing against them on sisi. At 100km against a megathron pilot with equal gunnery and BS skills to my temp he had to warp out, same at 45km, same with short range setups at 20km. No love lost for my sailboat just because it's not the FOTM.
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Caldorous
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Posted - 2005.09.21 20:21:00 -
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Originally by: Imran
Galenteee \o/ just give me mega a mwd bonus.
I'd prefer an overall cap boost (but this should be in every t1 ship  )
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Gronsak
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Posted - 2005.09.21 23:21:00 -
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thhis can be argued for ages, but atm, imo, things are pretty balanced
apart from the raven needing a look at (overpowered in pvp)
geddon, best gank, easily fit t2
apoc, best tank, 8 turret hardpoints
raven, best 1vs1 BS, good tank,
scorp, best EW, good tank
mega, good sniper, good ganker, pretty versitile
domi, good tank, nice slot layout
tempest, can gank and tank at the same time
typhoon, furthest range on hits
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Sorja
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Posted - 2005.09.22 00:47:00 -
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Gallente is now on top, clearly. Arguably even better than Amarr since tech II drones.
It wouldn't be a problem if Caldari weren't at the bottom, because... yes... at the moment it's very hard to resist the urge to crosstrain: same gun skills, and no need to train for pathetic missiles to fly Gallente effectively.
If a race is 'slightly' better than another for some ship type, let's call it balanced, but there's a whole world between many Caldari ships and their Gallente counterpart.
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FalloutBoy
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Posted - 2005.09.22 00:50:00 -
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at the battleship, BC, and Frigate level things are even its the cruiser level where tha caldari have issues (other races are fairly balanced with a slight edge to gal because of the soon to be nerfed rax)
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DrunkenOne
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Posted - 2005.09.22 00:53:00 -
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Originally by: Gronsak
tempest, can gank and tank at the same time
Lol?
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Jorev
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Posted - 2005.09.22 02:01:00 -
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Originally by: DrunkenOne
Originally by: Gronsak
tempest, can gank and tank at the same time
Lol?
Why lol, yes it can have a small shield tank while packing damage mods in lows.
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Garreck
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Posted - 2005.09.22 03:16:00 -
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I can't stand the ship of the patch/month mindset.
Some clever pilot comes up with a good setup for a given ship. He tells some of his friends, turns the tables on a few of his enemies, and the concept spreads.
Pretty soon, everybody is using that particular ship with that particular setup, because it was easier to copy than to think up a way to defeat such a setup. Everybody starts reporting that ship flying around killing things. They don't take into account that more people flying a certain ship is logically going to mean more kills credited to that ship...not because the ship is overpowered, but because it's being flown so much.
With a massive leap of logic, it is concluded that said ship is overpowered and needs to be nerfed. If enough people kick and scream and cry, then the nerf is carried through. Which invariable sets up other ships for nerfing in turn, because the ship wasn't REALLY overpowered, and after the nerf it's UNDERpowered and the nerfing cycle has to continue to restore some semblance of balance.
I'm not sure if that made any sense, but yeah...as a gallente specialized pilot, I cringe to think that my ships are the ones on the nerfing block.
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ShadowlordUK
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Posted - 2005.09.22 03:36:00 -
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Very true... but as long as the gm's/dev's listen to all the whiners on the forums this cycle of nerf and nerf again will never end.
The geddon nerf did nothing to reduce its power in pvp, instead it just made the ship very close to useless for pve.
The so called missile 'nerf' was actually a boost for missile ships that were already over powered to start off with.... did the Raven really need more dmg vs other bs???! Did the kestrel, crow and cerberus really need the totally absurd range they now have?
Did the minmatar bs's really need to have their tracking nerfed completely making them poor vs pve but leaving them just as strong vs other bs?
And now the recent gallente upgrades (i have just trained up to fly gallente bs myself) have made, well... put it this way.... in recent testing i was forced to acknowledge the unpleasent fact that a fully maxed out megathron can beat a fully maxed out geddon at ANY starting range in a 1vs1. In case that wasnt clear... there is no way (short of totally rigged ecm) that a geddon can beat a megathron in 1vs1 combat.
As a total amarr pilot this is kind of depressing but since im now in the proccess of switching over to gallente ships ill get over it... 
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2005.09.22 03:40:00 -
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"Seems that this month everyone likes the gallente ships, the demios the damage dealer, dominix the most versatile tier 1 bs, blah blah
I personally use gallente ships most of the time (although i can use raven and apoc) but this is somewhat getting out of hand... (as all the races should be equally compensated)"
Think as long as the 'mk2' changes thingie goes live, with Thorax converted into 'deimos lite' ... there isn't really anything about Gallente ships that'd be complained about. They are very nice, and number of them is quite unique, but nearly everyone else has their own ships they can be as proud of, and also use to good effect ^^;;
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Komisches
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Posted - 2005.09.22 03:54:00 -
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Flavour of the month? Bah.:roll:
I've been loving my Domini and Iterons for at least hmm 8months or so. But yer a little bit right about the fact that a few people are blabbing about how good their particular setup is for whatever reason, on their gallente ship(s).
Sure, Domis and Vexors are now X% more powerful with T2 drones, but how many people do you know who have all the skills to use them?
I've got 2.7mil skill points in Drones, and i still can't use heavy T2s.
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DrunkenOne
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Posted - 2005.09.22 05:02:00 -
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Originally by: Jorev
Originally by: DrunkenOne
Originally by: Gronsak
tempest, can gank and tank at the same time
Lol?
Why lol, yes it can have a small shield tank while packing damage mods in lows.
Yeah, so can an apoc with megapulse, but it doesnt mean its viable, even though people use it. You need a co proc to fit a mwd + shield tank in mids anyways. And saying the tempest can shield tank + gank is stupid when the raven and dom do it much much better.
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jamesw
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Posted - 2005.09.22 05:29:00 -
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From fighting them 1v1 on the test server, I would have to disagree with you there DrunkenOne. The secret is leaving off the MWD (you know all about that, mr Jagerbomb ).
800mm's seem to hit quite far out compared to blasters, so you dont necessarily need to be in at 3km straight away, and the rest is just dmg mods and shield tank.
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Arti K
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Posted - 2005.09.23 08:36:00 -
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Edited by: Arti K on 23/09/2005 08:37:59
autocannons will all hit out to 30km no problem, just reduced damage a bit over being up close, but if you are avoiding blaster fire, then well worth the trade off  .
And I can 1v1 most raven pilots at 10km pretty easily -- a lot of them are still adjusting to actually having to think after the missile patch. A good raven pilot up close is tough to match though. (sans EW of course because that's a pointless 1v1 if I ever saw it.)
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LUKEC
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Posted - 2005.09.23 08:58:00 -
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Originally by: jamesw
From fighting them 1v1 on the test server, I would have to disagree with you there DrunkenOne. The secret is leaving off the MWD (you know all about that, mr Jagerbomb ).
800mm's seem to hit quite far out compared to blasters, so you dont necessarily need to be in at 3km straight away, and the rest is just dmg mods and shield tank.
U know... there are 2 factors here...
For 1vs1 i prefer AB on megathron... on the other hand when you want to kill some miners i prefer MWD... Same story with vagabond(not that i fly one).
To go to extreme: try comparing vindicator & rattlesnake. The second one will kick ass out of any battleship. However it sux at killing poor guys who don't have local open. Landing 22km away from the guy in belt... will make u fit MWD next time.
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Uggs386
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Posted - 2005.09.23 09:10:00 -
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Originally by: ShadowlordUK
Very true... but as long as the gm's/dev's listen to all the whiners on the forums this cycle of nerf and nerf again will never end.
The geddon nerf did nothing to reduce its power in pvp, instead it just made the ship very close to useless for pve.
The so called missile 'nerf' was actually a boost for missile ships that were already over powered to start off with.... did the Raven really need more dmg vs other bs???! Did the kestrel, crow and cerberus really need the totally absurd range they now have?
Did the minmatar bs's really need to have their tracking nerfed completely making them poor vs pve but leaving them just as strong vs other bs?
And now the recent gallente upgrades (i have just trained up to fly gallente bs myself) have made, well... put it this way.... in recent testing i was forced to acknowledge the unpleasent fact that a fully maxed out megathron can beat a fully maxed out geddon at ANY starting range in a 1vs1. In case that wasnt clear... there is no way (short of totally rigged ecm) that a geddon can beat a megathron in 1vs1 combat.
As a total amarr pilot this is kind of depressing but since im now in the proccess of switching over to gallente ships ill get over it...
You couldnt be more wrong about geddon, the nerf decreased the geddons versaitility greatly, but it also mad eit much more difficult to npc in a apoc. I've been flying geddon since before it was popular to use in pvp, amnd the reason geddon was so powerful pre nerf because it could from 80 km- 5 km, the range decrease made it close range weapon so it is not nearly as versaitile, so now for fleet battle we have to fit mega beams/tachy's which take up more grid/cap=less damage mods. So in short geddonw a shurt a lot by the nerf.
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Posted - 2005.09.23 09:29:00 -
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Originally by: Mallik Hendrake
Actually I noticed Gallente was awesome eight months ago, and started training for them then, and they just kept getting better :P
Very glad I abandoned my Caldari roots months before the missile change. yarr!
Good Point, but most of the whinners complaining about one ship being more powerful than another have never spent Eight months specialising in one race much less one ship.
The Dominix is great ship in the hands of a skilled pilot however it does generally require alot of skill to fly well. The "Vampire Dominix" requires very little skill and is a setup corrently being abused, a little like the Gank Pulse geddon four mounths ago.
The Megathorn is a Very powerful ship but requires an enormous amount of player and character skill to be effective.
The Rax is being fixed in the next major patch and will be even more viable and effective as a gun boat to high skill players.
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Posted - 2005.09.23 09:49:00 -
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Originally by: Uggs386
You couldnt be more wrong about geddon, the nerf decreased the geddons versaitility greatly, but it also mad eit much more difficult to npc in a apoc. I've been flying geddon since before it was popular to use in pvp, amnd the reason geddon was so powerful pre nerf because it could from 80 km- 5 km, the range decrease made it close range weapon so it is not nearly as versaitile, so now for fleet battle we have to fit mega beams/tachy's which take up more grid/cap=less damage mods. So in short geddonw a shurt a lot by the nerf.
Problem was Uggs that the pulse balance wasnt a nerf, it was bringing something more into line. The fact you could do blaster damage at 40-50 KM with megapulse was rediculous and it was no surprise that just about every ship in a fleet was a gankageddon.
If you can give me an example of a truly overpowered gallente ship or setup i will be surprised. They arent really flavour of the month, people are just realising most of the races are pretty well balanced now and every race is just as popular as the other
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Posted - 2005.09.23 10:35:00 -
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Gallente aren't the flavour of the month. They have been this good with a skilled pilot for over a year, with only the megathron getting a buff during that time. Its just that CCP have removed the WinÖ button from the other races (old missiles and old pulse). With the Raxes drone bay getting nerfed (and yes I am a rax pilot), the gallente don't have any totally superior ships.
The other races are just as good, people are just biased because they remember the old overpowered ships. Im sure rax pilots will be *****ing that the rax is totally useless after the change, but it will still be a very nasty ship, just with less of a tank. I have been flying Omens and Arbitrators recently and my alliance gets a lot of kills with them (often against Raxes), and they are damn good ships.
Caldari are a little iffy but thats mainly because CCP didn't increase their PG when the launchers got significant PG use. And shield tanking and PVP (where you want a speed mod, webber and scrambler) just don't go together great. But that should be fixed in the tech 1 rebalance.
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Posted - 2005.09.23 10:53:00 -
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would say the same thing about minmatar tbh
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FoRGyL
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Posted - 2005.09.23 12:05:00 -
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Originally by: DrunkenOne
Originally by: Jorev
Originally by: DrunkenOne
Originally by: Gronsak
tempest, can gank and tank at the same time
Lol?
Why lol, yes it can have a small shield tank while packing damage mods in lows.
Yeah, so can an apoc with megapulse, but it doesnt mean its viable, even though people use it. You need a co proc to fit a mwd + shield tank in mids anyways. And saying the tempest can shield tank + gank is stupid when the raven and dom do it much much better.
Even with Larger Guns it's possible but not TOp in any field.
But before I had TII Guns I had pretty good tank and some good punchpower.
At this time I hunted pretty mucho alone aswell so was always aware of the small itchy intys.
5 1400 Protos/scouts (had a mix) 3 Rocket L Defenders/rocketas (prenerf)
Med: 3 ShieldHardners 1 XL CL and one Capbooster (took away 1 shield later for a sensorbooster for some odd reason)
And al Dmg mods in low!
I'm almost certin that was it but I might have had something else ..that looks very toight on Cpu after reading it true *scratches head
But it can easily be called a good tank though !
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Posted - 2005.09.23 12:43:00 -
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If the domi was so uber then I think everyne would be flying one and that is not the case, yes it is a good ship but no immune to any other ship out there. I still see way more 'geddons than any other type of ships in fleets. I mean, look at the PG on a dom, OMG!
It is however a ship that is good for those that like to try out different types of setup. And as for T2 Drones, well they might on paper make it uber but I've yet to see affordable ones for sale and the skills will take forever. To me I think that gallente seems to be well balanced and the other races have just had their uberness reduced rather than the Gallente boosted.
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Posted - 2005.09.23 13:34:00 -
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I am glad I sticked to the Caldari race since I've started the game, to follow the "flavour of the month" seems dumb to me, it is one of those things that define the amorph mass of copy cats. ^^
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Captain Rod
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Posted - 2005.09.23 15:42:00 -
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Maybe. I fly gallente mainly but have you seen the prices of Throns recently? I was whacking them out for 120-125 mill a few months back (when i was madly mining and building). They are selling at 104-105 Mill at the moment.
Something tells me they aint that popular anymore.
With regards to PVP, you can set a ship up however you want to. Just because its one race over the other it don't matter. I know you'll whine, but it really doesnt matter. Flavour of the month stuff is for the mindless "drones" without offending higher AIs. Stick with a ship and find ways to improve it or change tactics so you have a number of set ups for different situations.
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2005.09.23 17:47:00 -
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Gallente simply have ships that please at almost every rung of the ladder.
They are a great all-round choice. Like all other races, they have their drawbacks.
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Valpo'rae
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Posted - 2005.09.23 19:21:00 -
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Funny...
FOTM now you say? Let's have a rundown of the DRASTIC changes made to Gallente ships...
~6 months ago everyone was crying Gallente ships suck (particularly the battleships)...
~6 months later the ships have remained UNCHANGED FFS!
*LARGE hybrid weapons got a slight PG decrease, hybrid ammo also got a slight cap decrease.
*T2 drones were added to the game, which EVERYONE can use, only that Gallente ships tend to have larger drone bays.
*And the pulse lasers and radio crystals underwent a slight nerf (perhaps the other crystals were nerfed, don't quote me on this).
*Then there's the missle nerf (aka the MISSLE BOOST IMO... SOOOO sorry you can't pwn frigs with torpedos anymore...)
OMGHOLYF-INGBBQFISHSTICKSWITHTARTARSAUCEBATMAN!!!
ALL races battleships are EXCELLENT in PVP in their given roles (yes, even Ravens you whiney Caldari fanboys...) as are the HACS (Deimos is UBER?!?! LMFAO! Have you ever actually used one?). I can't say much for T1 cruisers and frigs as I haven't been flying them much. Posts like these are obviously posted by someone that engages in pure PVE and has never fought another player in an equally matched ship of a different race... or even the same race for that matter -OR- is going off pure hearsay. Every races ship is naturally better at fighting a certain type of NPC if you ask me, this have nothing to do with PVP.
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Posted - 2005.09.23 20:02:00 -
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and welcome back to dancing with flames featuring: Valpo'rae..
think about the freacking chill factor dude...
well flying gallente well isnt easy. its harder than flying minmatar ships. this has everything to do with the need of getting, not just close (AC falloff), but ultra-close to your target and the skills/capacitor you need to pull this off.
blasters use more cap than any other type of weapon. this is because ammar gets there capbonus, but still galllente needs ammo. for pvp something like emp/phased plasma or fusion charge is plain godlike. gallente only has kin/therm. thats why isthar and dominix are so popular: you can swap your damage.
more and more people are finding this out, but that doesnt make a race overpowered.
also i think that a lot of caldari people are swapping to gallente because that step aint big. it only requires training up gallente ships and maybe blasters, but that step also aint big. gallente ships are just fine.
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Ecnav
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Posted - 2005.09.23 22:01:00 -
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the gallente ships are the best cuz the gallente r the hottest
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jarb
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Posted - 2005.09.24 14:01:00 -
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Originally by: Rex Martell
Originally by: Mallik Hendrake
Actually I noticed Gallente was awesome eight months ago, and started training for them then, and they just kept getting better :P
Very glad I abandoned my Caldari roots months before the missile change. yarr!
Good Point, but most of the whinners complaining about one ship being more powerful than another have never spent Eight months specialising in one race much less one ship.
The Dominix is great ship in the hands of a skilled pilot however it does generally require alot of skill to fly well. The "Vampire Dominix" requires very little skill and is a setup corrently being abused, a little like the Gank Pulse geddon four mounths ago.
The Megathorn is a Very powerful ship but requires an enormous amount of player and character skill to be effective.
The Rax is being fixed in the next major patch and will be even more viable and effective as a gun boat to high skill players.
Well hell! Very little skill = OP?
I've been playing this game for 1.5months and I have a little less than 1mill SP's. WTF am I giong to fly if you consider anything requiring low skill to be OP'd?
Dont talk **** about my Dom (this monday at 10am)
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