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Friendly
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Posted - 2005.09.21 16:26:00 -
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Hi guys...
Assume you have the following skillz:
Astro 5 ==> +25% mining yield
Mining 5 ==> +25% mining yield
Barge 5 ==> +15% mining yield
Assume you have the following Mods and ships:
Large Barge
3 x Strip Miner I's
3 x Modulated Strip Miner II's
3 x T2 mining Crystal's (+75% mining yield)
now the yield per 3 min cycle I get the following results:
Strip Miner I's
540 x 1.25 x 1.25 x 1.15 = 970.3125
~ 970 per beam per 3 min cycle
And on a large barge it would be a mining yield of 970 per min
Modulated Strip Miner II's
360 x 1.25 x 1.25 x 1.15 x 1.75 = 1132.03125
~ 1132 per beam per 3 min cycle
And on a large barge it would be a mining yield of 1132 per min
Here's some more calculations:
to fill a can with MSM II's = 24 mins
to fill a can with SM I's = 28 mins
I am currently busy training for Large barge and already have been using Modulated Deep Core Miners II's for some time now.
So my question is... Am I missing something? Surely the MSM II's should yield alot more for its price and skill requirements than a measly 1132 - 970 = 162 per min?
They cant even mine mercoxit... So are they really worth the price and effort? Plus they use more activation cost (obviously depending on the crystal of course).
Maybe I'm just lookin the gifthorse in the mouth here and it is actually a big difference...
If there is any fault with my calculation above, I'd appreciate it if I was corrected  Otherwise, I'd appreciate your opinions...
Thanks.
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ZieShadow
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Posted - 2005.09.21 17:17:00 -
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Your #s are correct, and I agree, it doesn't seem like much of an improvement, but we'll have to take what we can get I guess :(
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FireFoxx80
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Posted - 2005.09.21 17:23:00 -
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You're right.
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Tai'Kimoto
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Posted - 2005.09.21 17:38:00 -
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If all you ever do is mine then that 162 extra adds up after a while, granted, I think they do need a boost.
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TotensBurntCorpse
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Posted - 2005.09.21 18:05:00 -
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no your not missing anything.
stripIIs are only about 5% better than stripIs.
But u take what u can get.
Kinda makes that mining implant for 5% not seem so expensive anymore now doesnt it ? Given with Mod IIs costing 20 mil each and tech2 crystals now burning out and the skills to use the darn things in the first place.
So if ur soon gonna get a covetor and u dont plan on doing ur own refining then i would save up for the mining implant. Same effect but none of nastiness like learning skills, burningout crystals, losing the ship to PvE etc.
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Friendly
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Posted - 2005.09.21 18:46:00 -
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Ok...
Currently in Tash-Murkon Strip Miner I's is going for 3mil each. And Modulated Strip Miner II's is going for 13mil each. So on a large barge that account for 30 mil difference... I was thinking of working it out to show how long I'd mine to make up that 30 mil compared with the 160 per min... but then I thought... pfft... not worth it... its clearly too long to make up.
How about we start suggesting alterations to the MSM II's and hope that CCP will see them and maybe apply them in that patch where they were going to bring out new mining skillz and tech 2 barges and stuff...
I'll start... increase the MSM II's yield to
400 x 1.25 x 1.25 x 1.15 x 1.75 = 1257.8125
~1258 per beam per 3 min cycle
that would make the difference 1258 - 970 = 288 per min
Anybody else with some great ideas... or maybe just sign it 
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ValiumX
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Posted - 2005.09.21 22:48:00 -
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 Originally by: TotensBurntCorpse
Kinda makes that mining implant for 5% not seem so expensive anymore now doesnt it ?
There is a mining implant?
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Serve
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Posted - 2005.09.22 07:43:00 -
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They are worth getting if you mine a lot. If they were super uber, everyone and their alt would get them, ore/min prices would crash and those making isk from mining would be boke.
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Alekzander
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Posted - 2005.09.22 07:49:00 -
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Yes, using a T1 crystal in a MSM II makes it a negligible diferance, which basically requires you to burn T2 crystals (which die faster I believe). So that 162 extra is eaten by the crystal you have to replace later.
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Matthew
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Posted - 2005.09.22 11:45:00 -
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Originally by: Friendly
So my question is... Am I missing something? Surely the MSM II's should yield alot more for its price and skill requirements than a measly 1132 - 970 = 162 per min?
Your calculations are correct, a large barge with MSMII's and T2 crystals will mine 162m3 per minute faster than one with Strip Miner I's. That's a 17% increase. Combined with the issues of crystal replacement, you need to be willing to plan ahead if you're going to get the best profit from them, but you can get an appreciable profit from them if you do it right.
The modulated system has caught people out because it requires miners to do more than just slap on the largest lasers they can fit, and sit there mining.
Originally by: Alekzander
Yes, using a T1 crystal in a MSM II makes it a negligible diferance, which basically requires you to burn T2 crystals (which die faster I believe). So that 162 extra is eaten by the crystal you have to replace later.
No, only a tiny proportion of that 162 is eaten by crystal replacement costs, unless you're mining 40 jumps from anywhere and insist on only buying 1 set at a time.
The modulated mining lasers are only suitable for the long-term miner, who is willing to put some thought and planning into their mining. For the casual miner, the Strip Miner I is still a perfectly good isk-printer.
Originally by: Friendly
I was thinking of working it out to show how long I'd mine to make up that 30 mil compared with the 160 per min... but then I thought... pfft... not worth it... its clearly too long to make up.
Figures from memory, don't have workings here rightnow. Factoring in my local market costs of crystals, and with a repay cost of 12mill per laser (so 36mill in total), I came out with around 45 hours repay time when mining scordite. With the high-end 0.0 ores, this drops to around 7 hours. Though obviously that has to be balanced with the higher risk of dying in 0.0.
Originally by: TotensBurntCorpse
Kinda makes that mining implant for 5% not seem so expensive anymore now doesnt it ? Given with Mod IIs costing 20 mil each and tech2 crystals now burning out and the skills to use the darn things in the first place.
I've yet to see one of those implants sell for less than 200mill. 5% on a Strip Miner I would give you a yield of 1019m3/cycle = 1019m3/min on a large barge. Hence an increase of 49m3/min. Now, perfect-refine scordite is currently coming out at about 90isk/m3. Hence your mining implant is making you 4410isk/min. Assuming you paid 200mill for it, that's a repay time of 756 hours.
I can't find any way of making the MSM's take that long to repay when mining scordite without assuming behaviour of monumental idiocy.
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