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Darker Stranger Plague. 0	Posted - 2013.04.22 22:23:00 - [1] - Quote All of the C4 hatred aside (get a C3 or a C5, yes I've heard it), what are they best ways to run Sites in a C4 ASIDE from the Tengu? I'd like to understand what it takes to run them with an armor fleet: EHP, Shiptypes, Resists, Active/RR/Logi, everything. I've tried to do a lot of research, but most of what I've found is very, very old. Can anyone possibly help with this side of Eve?
Jack Miton Aperture Harmonics K162 1671	Posted - 2013.04.22 22:32:00 - [2] - Quote you should build 5 phoenix dreads (yeah you need 5) any use those. Don't siege them, put a capital shield transfer in that last high for spider tank. EDIT: sorry you mentioned armour fleet so in that case armour tank the phoenixes and put a remote armour rep in the last high, not a shield transfer.
Godfrey Silvarna Frozen Dawn Inc Arctic Light 77	Posted - 2013.04.22 22:36:00 - [3] - Quote Spider tanking battleships work fine.
Oska Rus Solar Storm Insidious Empire 13	Posted - 2013.04.22 22:59:00 - [4] - Quote Godfrey Silvarna wrote: Spider tanking battleships work fine. how would those battleship look? I could not be able to find any valud BS fleet setup. (smaller tahn 6 members or so.)
Slaveofjita School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 4	Posted - 2013.04.22 23:32:00 - [5] - Quote should only need 4ish(maybe 3?) for most of the c4 stuff, doubt you can do the magno/radars with only 4-3 bs though. 2invuln,1em,1therm hardeners,1large shield extender,1damage control. should have enough resists/buffer, then fit 1 large or 2 medium deadspace shield transporters. some power relays and capacitor control rigs and you should be set. you can probably find some funny faction/maurader battlesship(with logi maybe) combos as well.
Garresh Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic 118	Posted - 2013.04.22 23:51:00 - [6] - Quote Seriously though, why is there so much hate on C4? I've never been in one long enough, but I'm just curious. This Space Intentionally Left Blank
Rroff Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork 240	Posted - 2013.04.23 00:44:00 - [7] - Quote I know a few people run them with a vargur/basi pair. Garresh wrote: Seriously though, why is there so much hate on C4? I've never been in one long enough, but I'm just curious. Its mostly due to them often having poor chains for PVP or logistics use and that as a gross generalisation most people are better off either running C3s or C5s a few exceptions aside.
Garresh Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic 118	Posted - 2013.04.23 00:49:00 - [8] - Quote Rroff wrote: I know a few people run them with a vargur/basi pair. Garresh wrote: Seriously though, why is there so much hate on C4? I've never been in one long enough, but I'm just curious. Its mostly due to them often having poor chains for PVP or logistics use and that as a gross generalisation most people are better off either running C3s or C5s a few exceptions aside. ...So it's the lowsec of w-space. Sounds like home to me. This Space Intentionally Left Blank
Jack Miton Aperture Harmonics K162 1674	Posted - 2013.04.23 01:11:00 - [9] - Quote Garresh wrote: Seriously though, why is there so much hate on C4? I've never been in one long enough, but I'm just curious. The reason is that to run PVE in C4s you need exactly the same kinds of fleet setups as for running C5 sites (not talking about caps) and youre making far less ISK. even if you theoretically want to run C4 sites for isk, you want a c4 static, not to live in one. For PVP C4s have horrible chains, annoying to collapse statics due to no caps and no chance of direct kspace connections for null/ls roams. in summary, there's no point living in one for PVE and the PVP options from one are the worst anywhere in WHs.
Van Ketris Elusive Dilemma 5	Posted - 2013.04.23 02:20:00 - [10] - Quote You can run c4's with an RR tengu/legion with boosts, or a hybrid, local rep with RR duo. You basically need RR to combat the neuts, around 600-800 dps to not give them enough time to start neuting one ship while shooting another. They need to be able to hit as far as you can, up to about 80k. 40-60k is ideal. The dps tanked number is about 1200-1400, but of course this is based on you also having an AB/cruiser hull and a way to combat neuts, such as RR from a different ship. They start out neuting and dps'ing the same ship 95% of the time, so you can kill them before they start rotating. These are the numbers and stats I would have wanted to hear when I had this same question myself. With these stats you can do the ANOMS, not radar/mag. Radar/mag are when it gets more crazy, and are what most people are referencing. But you still make more overall isk grinding c4 anoms, such as barracks, than you would in c3. And you can do it with 1-2 ships and a booster. I ran them with 600mil isk tengu's...you can pimp out a tengu to solo, but that's not necessary for me.
Britta Nolen Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 1	Posted - 2013.04.23 02:27:00 - [11] - Quote c4 armor or shield can be run with 2 domis & logi. the mag/radar site with 4 safeguards needs 2 logi though. 70% resists and 60k ehp is decent enough. know the triggers or die in flames edit: getting stuff in and out is a pita. currently running a c4>c4>c5>c5>c1>kspace fun times. so, because of that, seems like no one who actually lives in a c4 pvp's. all pvp i've seen are from the c2's that static into c4.
Garresh Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic 119	Posted - 2013.04.23 07:10:00 - [12] - Quote Wow...c4 really does sound like lowsec. Jesus Christ that's empty... This Space Intentionally Left Blank
Rex Aparte The Scope Gallente Federation 39	Posted - 2013.04.23 13:28:00 - [13] - Quote You can run anything in a C4 with 2 pimped Rattlesnakes, and 3 mildly pimped snakes make it a breeze. Protip: Use 3 deadspace medium RR's instead of two large meta. Protip 2: Get one with a C1-3 static and enjoy the pvp stuffs/ease of k-space connections also. I'm sure I'm in the minority, but C4's are hiddens gems for smaller corps. Edit: I mean yes, C4's are terrible don't live in one...
Lenier Chenal Offensive Upholder 43	Posted - 2013.04.23 14:29:00 - [14] - Quote Rex Aparte wrote: Shitfit This is terrible. Don't do it this way. [Rattlesnake, Correct C4] Damage Control II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Type-D Attenuation Signal Augmentation Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Script Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Gistum C-Type EM Ward Amplifier Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link Large Energy Transfer Array II Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter Drone Link Augmentor II Drone Link Augmentor II Drone Link Augmentor II Large Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I Large Processor Overclocking Unit I Large Drone Control Range Augmentor II Hobgoblin II x10 Warrior II x6 Vespa EC-600 x5 Garde II x5 Bouncer II x5 Use 2-3 of these instead.
Rex Aparte The Scope Gallente Federation 39	Posted - 2013.04.23 14:55:00 - [15] - Quote Lenier Chenal wrote: Rex Aparte wrote: Shitfit This is terrible. Don't do it this way. [Rattlesnake, Correct C4] Damage Control II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Type-D Attenuation Signal Augmentation Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Script Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Gistum C-Type EM Ward Amplifier Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link Large Energy Transfer Array II Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter Drone Link Augmentor II Drone Link Augmentor II Drone Link Augmentor II Large Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I Large Processor Overclocking Unit I Large Drone Control Range Augmentor II Hobgoblin II x10 Warrior II x6 Vespa EC-600 x5 Garde II x5 Bouncer II x5 Use 2-3 of these instead. Not even close to enough rep for 2 snakes, and I have my doubts about your cap life. I would be mildly surprised if you run noms with 2 of those without crapping your pants continuously. And forget about the tough sites. You do have nice drone range, but way more than is necessary. I'll stick with our fit. Edit: also if you're running with two people and neither of you have a probe out, have fun getting ganked by 20 t3's from a C5.
Tashima Reconfiguration Nation Existential Anxiety 1	Posted - 2013.04.23 15:07:00 - [16] - Quote You do need a probe, but generating cap via bounce is superior to trying to get it cap stable by itself. Wasting 4 slots and all of the rigs for this alone is bad. You have high-slots, use them. I say go with the second fit posted.
Britta Nolen Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 1	Posted - 2013.04.23 15:10:00 - [17] - Quote even with a probe out, they would have to constantly scan every 10 seconds with a ridicolously expensive fit like that. how many c4 sites do you have to run to pay for that?
Rex Aparte The Scope Gallente Federation 39	Posted - 2013.04.23 15:11:00 - [18] - Quote Tashima wrote: You do need a probe, but generating cap via bounce is superior to trying to get it cap stable by itself. Wasting 4 slots and all of the rigs for this alone is bad. You have high-slots, use them. I say go with the second fit posted. Still doesn't rep enough. But whatever, I'm not gonna sit and argue about, fit works fine for us, people can use whatever they wanna use.
Rex Aparte The Scope Gallente Federation 39	Posted - 2013.04.23 15:12:00 - [19] - Quote Britta Nolen wrote: even with a probe out, they would have to constantly scan every 10 seconds with a ridicolously expensive fit like that. how many c4 sites do you have to run to pay for that? What's ridiculously expensive? The medium reps were 25m apiece, so 3/4 of one nom. Also, are you insinuating you wouldn't be scanning if you had a less expensive fit? This I don't understand.
Britta Nolen Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 1	Posted - 2013.04.23 15:16:00 - [20] - Quote double rattlesnakes with faction & deadspace mods.
Rex Aparte The Scope Gallente Federation 39	Posted - 2013.04.23 15:19:00 - [21] - Quote Britta Nolen wrote: double rattlesnakes with faction & deadspace mods. Well, if you want to get technical, I'm pretty sure that fit would require 3 Snakes to run almost everything. My fit requires 2. As posted, his fit is 50m more expensive than mine. You do the math.
Britta Nolen Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 1	Posted - 2013.04.23 15:22:00 - [22] - Quote Rex Aparte wrote: Britta Nolen wrote: even with a probe out, they would have to constantly scan every 10 seconds with a ridicolously expensive fit like that. how many c4 sites do you have to run to pay for that? What's ridiculously expensive? The medium reps were 25m apiece, so 3/4 of one nom. Also, are you insinuating you wouldn't be scanning if you had a less expensive fit? This I don't understand. Honestly, with the cheap fits and ships I use with insurance, I don't lose more than 250m to a gank. So 1.5b plus flying arse out in the wind or 400m with just as much efficiency for sites.
Rex Aparte The Scope Gallente Federation 39	Posted - 2013.04.23 15:24:00 - [23] - Quote Britta Nolen wrote: Rex Aparte wrote: Britta Nolen wrote: even with a probe out, they would have to constantly scan every 10 seconds with a ridicolously expensive fit like that. how many c4 sites do you have to run to pay for that? What's ridiculously expensive? The medium reps were 25m apiece, so 3/4 of one nom. Also, are you insinuating you wouldn't be scanning if you had a less expensive fit? This I don't understand. Honestly, with the cheap fits and ships I use with insurance, I don't lose more than 250m to a gank. Wow, how do you run C4 noms in 2 x 250m ship? This I need to know.
Britta Nolen Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 1	Posted - 2013.04.23 15:26:00 - [24] - Quote I use 3.
Rex Aparte The Scope Gallente Federation 39	Posted - 2013.04.23 15:27:00 - [25] - Quote Britta Nolen wrote: I use 3. 3 what.
Saheed Cha'chris'ra Krautz WH Exploration and Production 0	Posted - 2013.04.23 15:30:00 - [26] - Quote If i would like to fly C4-Sites with Amarr-Ships, what could be a nice setup? Guardians + Abaddons? Something with RR? Legions with i dont know? Thanks for your ideas I am new to wormholes.
Britta Nolen Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 1	Posted - 2013.04.23 15:30:00 - [27] - Quote 2 domis & logi works every site except the 4 safeguard mag/radar. Edit: 2 armor domis work also but are way too slow. i think maybe like 2 frontier barracks an hour. The way i run, I can punch through 5 an hour. 6-7 with magnetar bonus.
Rex Aparte The Scope Gallente Federation 39	Posted - 2013.04.23 15:34:00 - [28] - Quote Britta Nolen wrote: 2 domis & logi works every site except the 4 safeguard mag/radar. Can post Domi fit?
Britta Nolen Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 1	Posted - 2013.04.23 15:36:00 - [29] - Quote Rex Aparte wrote: Britta Nolen wrote: 2 domis & logi works every site except the 4 safeguard mag/radar. Can post Domi fit? Sorry but your gonna have to figure it out. Took me a while to get down efficiently. All T2, no pimp at all. Even the rigs are dirt cheap.
Rex Aparte The Scope Gallente Federation 39	Posted - 2013.04.23 15:38:00 - [30] - Quote Britta Nolen wrote: Rex Aparte wrote: Britta Nolen wrote: 2 domis & logi works every site except the 4 safeguard mag/radar. Can post Domi fit? Sorry but your gonna have to figure it out. Took me a while to get down efficiently. All T2, no pimp at all. Even the rigs are dirt cheap. Lol, yaaaa that's what I thought. o7m8

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