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Dimitri Forgroth
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Posted - 2005.09.23 19:52:00 -
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Edited by: Dimitri Forgroth on 23/09/2005 20:09:51
Has been introduced on SiSi.
My brutix is 20,750,000kg with an 800mm. Max speed with mwd.. 683m/s (skills a bit suck).
Probably a post about this somewhere else, but meh.
Actual Plate Weights (ty Keepiru):
1600mm : 25M
800mm : 7.5M
400mm : 1.5M
 Originally by: DrunkenOne
Ahhh yes the ECM Apoc, very deadly.
Oh wait... wtf...
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Elve Sorrow
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Posted - 2005.09.23 19:55:00 -
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That would mean 800mms add about 7.5mill kg.
Logic tells me 1600mm will be 15mill, more then doubling the BCs mass. HACs and Cruisers will just totally suck with this on.
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danneh
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Posted - 2005.09.23 20:00:00 -
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\o/
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keepiru
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Posted - 2005.09.23 20:01:00 -
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25m kg for 1600 plates.
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keepiru
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Posted - 2005.09.23 20:06:00 -
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7.5m for 800s
1.5m for 400s
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FalloutBoy
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Posted - 2005.09.23 20:08:00 -
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\o/ yay nerf the rax even more
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sokken
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Posted - 2005.09.23 20:10:00 -
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Originally by: FalloutBoy
\o/ yay nerf the rax even more
*giggle*
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keepiru
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Posted - 2005.09.23 20:11:00 -
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750k kg for 200s
150k kg for 100s
75k kp for 50s, lol
that should be all of them.
any official word on this?
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danneh
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Posted - 2005.09.23 20:13:00 -
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Originally by: FalloutBoy
\o/ yay nerf the rax even more
It not a mass penalty to the rax but to plates you see, its for all cruisers not your win button.
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FalloutBoy
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Posted - 2005.09.23 20:13:00 -
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the problem is this nerfs all the cruisers that need speed to do thier job (Rax mainly) and leaves ship like a maller who sit at medium range anyway not nearly as effected. I agree the 1600 plate was too uber, but tbh it wasn't going to be much of a problem anymore since the rax couldn't use it effectively anymore. I say let the mk2 changes happen and see what happens
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keepiru
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Posted - 2005.09.23 20:15:00 -
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Originally by: FalloutBoy
the problem is this nerfs all the cruisers that need speed to do thier job (Rax mainly) and leaves ship like a maller who sit at medium range anyway not nearly as effected. I agree the 1600 plate was too uber, but tbh it wasn't going to be much of a problem anymore since the rax couldn't use it effectively anymore. I say let the mk2 changes happen and see what happens
Too many people screaming about double-1600 mallers?
dunno. Not sure this is totally needed, or that nthis is the right way to go. But its an idea.
Did they change this with a server hotfix? cause i sparred cruisers and BCs all last night, with plates and all, and i cant say i noticed any major penalty.
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Dimitri Forgroth
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Posted - 2005.09.23 20:16:00 -
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Edited by: Dimitri Forgroth on 23/09/2005 20:16:53
There was a downtime earlier today (around 2:30 EVE time), was put in then i'm guessing.
Have updated original post with the weights at present.
Originally by: DrunkenOne
Ahhh yes the ECM Apoc, very deadly.
Oh wait... wtf...
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2005.09.23 20:18:00 -
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1.5 mil on 400 mm plate... when Crow weights 1 mil total :/
ouch ouch ouch ;.;
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keepiru
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Posted - 2005.09.23 20:20:00 -
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well, my 1600-plate maller now goes 345 with an AB II, getting roughly 75% speed boost.
I guess, now plate size has more factors than just what the biggest plate you can whack on.
small plate = less hp, neglibible effect on speed
medium plate = med hp, appreciable effect on speed
oversize plate = loads of hp, nearly impossible to dictate range (1600 on cruisers)
That is, ofc, if they removed the set % penalties. But then nanofibers wouldnt have a reason to exist.
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siim
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Posted - 2005.09.23 20:20:00 -
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no 800mm plate on my deimos anymore 
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Alex Harumichi
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Posted - 2005.09.23 20:21:00 -
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Have they removed the -10% speed penalty now that they've done this? Would make sense, I think.
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keepiru
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Posted - 2005.09.23 20:22:00 -
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I think perhaps 800 and 1600 weights are a little high. But its the very 1st values we see, no telling if this will go through to tq at all.
More testing i guess.
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keepiru
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Posted - 2005.09.23 20:23:00 -
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Originally by: Alex Harumichi
Have they removed the -10% speed penalty now that they've done this? Would make sense, I think.
Not right now. Atm all plates of a size have the same mass.
Imo plates with less hp should apply all mass, but i guess as a 1st change its good enough for now.
Now if we could get a dev to say a word about it...
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Alex Harumichi
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Posted - 2005.09.23 20:24:00 -
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Originally by: keepiru
That is, ofc, if they removed the set % penalties. But then nanofibers wouldnt have a reason to exist.
How about if nanofibers added a bit less mass? That would give a reason to use them.
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Dimitri Forgroth
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Posted - 2005.09.23 20:26:00 -
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Originally by: Alex Harumichi
Originally by: keepiru
That is, ofc, if they removed the set % penalties. But then nanofibers wouldnt have a reason to exist.
How about if nanofibers added a bit less mass? That would give a reason to use them.
At the moment they add the same amount, but that would make a lot of sense for using them. Maybe 1/4 mass decrease. I think 1/2 reduction would make them a bit too overpowered.
Originally by: DrunkenOne
Ahhh yes the ECM Apoc, very deadly.
Oh wait... wtf...
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FalloutBoy
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Posted - 2005.09.23 20:26:00 -
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Originally by: keepiru
Originally by: Alex Harumichi
Now if we could get a dev to say a word about it...
they anounced thed stealth bomber unnerfing first to soften us up 
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keepiru
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Posted - 2005.09.23 20:26:00 -
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Very early phases i think.
I award this plate mass project "alpha" status. 
Less mass related to hp, and no set % penalties would make sense.
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FalloutBoy
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Posted - 2005.09.23 20:28:00 -
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hows about they move them each up one notch. would make 1600s still hard to fit on a cruiser and still dictate range but would make 800s useable still and would give crusiers some surviablity?
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keepiru
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Posted - 2005.09.23 20:28:00 -
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Edited by: keepiru on 23/09/2005 20:29:15
Originally by: FalloutBoy
Originally by: Alex Harumichi
Now if we could get a dev to say a word about it...
they anounced thed stealth bomber unnerfing first to soften us up
Dastardly! They give with one hand and take away with the other
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throbbinnoggin
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Posted - 2005.09.23 20:31:00 -
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Damn Dmitri, you beat me to it. Yup the specs you have listed are correct. I checked them on sisi by equiping my prophecy with them, then checked mass in info. So now if this goes through, there will be a speed 'and' mass penalty to using plates. Shades of oversize ab nerf, making them virtually useless.
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Forsch
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Posted - 2005.09.23 20:33:00 -
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Did the plates lose the velocity reduction in turn?
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Sangxianc
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Posted - 2005.09.23 20:34:00 -
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Am I the only one who thought that oversized plates were a good thing? I mean, yeah the new-ish plate hp boost made it a bit silly in places, but it made cruisers much more usable. Not even being able to fit an 800mm plate without screwing yourself over completely is a bit like, wtf mate?
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Dimitri Forgroth
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Posted - 2005.09.23 20:36:00 -
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Originally by: Forsch
Did the plates lose the velocity reduction in turn?
The speed reduction from the plate at the moment is still there.
Have clarified the first post.
Originally by: DrunkenOne
Ahhh yes the ECM Apoc, very deadly.
Oh wait... wtf...
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Angelus X
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Posted - 2005.09.23 20:37:00 -
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NoooooooOOOOOoOOoOooOOOOOOoOOOO!!!! 
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Meridius
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Posted - 2005.09.23 20:45:00 -
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