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The GoldenRatio
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Posted - 2005.09.24 03:08:00 -
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Edited by: The GoldenRatio on 24/09/2005 03:08:12 People who fail to see the truth becasue they dont like the messengers personality live in their own special little world. See it for what it is. Rude but constructive critisism.
Also, try ignoring me if you want me to quit posting.
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Redwolf
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Posted - 2005.09.24 03:38:00 -
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Originally by: The GoldenRatio
But it is PLAIN TO SEE that this is NOT a user friendly installation (over 500 MB to download for starters).
Maybe the OP should edit the original post to specify that you can use just the JRE (15mb) instead of the entire Sun Java SDK. It might save some of the less computer literate out there a bit of trouble, and stop them wasting useful bandwidth as alt boy is proving.
Keep up the work Jabba.
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Eclissa
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Posted - 2005.09.24 04:57:00 -
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Seems to me that your negative posts are the only ones on here. Dont snap at someone just because you dont have the talent to accomplish the same thing. Either learn how to do it and make a better version or simply shut up.
In addition I should point out that its your lack of talent with computers thats keeping you from getting it to work.
Originally by: The GoldenRatio Bottom line, I guarantee you that you will lose 90% of the potential interested people due to the silliness of the install. I may be rude but I'm right. Find a way to make it more simple and positive posts will flow in like the waters of the mississippi.
BTW, you know you got owned hard when you resort to grammar/spelling police tactics on perfectly understandable and thought-out sentences.
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The GoldenRatio
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Posted - 2005.09.24 05:08:00 -
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Originally by: Redwolf
Originally by: The GoldenRatio
But it is PLAIN TO SEE that this is NOT a user friendly installation (over 500 MB to download for starters).
Maybe the OP should edit the original post to specify that you can use just the JRE (15mb) instead of the entire Sun Java SDK. It might save some of the less computer literate out there a bit of trouble, and stop them wasting useful bandwidth as alt boy is proving.
Keep up the work Jabba.
Why mention the other programs if 15mb is all that is needed. That alone would be a mistake. If it is optional, it should be explained why it is optional and what the 485 MB extra do for you.
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The GoldenRatio
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Posted - 2005.09.24 05:13:00 -
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Edited by: The GoldenRatio on 24/09/2005 05:14:35
Originally by: Eclissa Seems to me that your negative posts are the only ones on here. Dont snap at someone just because you dont have the talent to accomplish the same thing. Either learn how to do it and make a better version or simply shut up.
In addition I should point out that its your lack of talent with computers thats keeping you from getting it to work.
I love how people just spew random bull**** out of their mouths. I am angry because I "dont have the talent" to make a worthless "3D" program that serves no real purpose and no one will ever actually use for anything? Why would I be mad about that? Different people specialize in different things. Why make crap up? You people are so innaccurate. You just type anything that springs into your little minds. Where do you get your material? How do you come up with your arguments and accusations? It is 100% baseless.
Again, how can you possibly know that the installation did not work because of any specific mistake I made? I followed the directions to a T but it did not work. You are merely guessing that I made a mistake. You have no proof whatsoever that I did anything else other than the exact directions. Please quit lying to yourself by acting like the installation is some "easy thing" that "any semi computer literate person" can "breeze through" with "great ease."
Baseless "fact" flinging is all you people are capable of.
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Graelyn
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Posted - 2005.09.24 05:16:00 -
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Edited by: Graelyn on 24/09/2005 05:17:38
Are you new around here?
Kinda sad seeing you put together all these arguements and wrath, knowing full well that no one listens to alts.
Try not to be too surprised at the reactions you get, is all.
Not your average Amarrian Loyalist....
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The GoldenRatio
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Posted - 2005.09.24 05:18:00 -
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Originally by: Eclissa
In addition I should point out that its your lack of talent with computers thats keeping you from getting it to work.
Actually I tried one time, following the instructions perfectly, and it did not work. I double checked and it still did not work. Then I saw a screenshot of what the program looks like and lost all desire to troubleshoot. Why exert effort on a worthless peice of crap that serves no purpose? Ever try pressing F10 while palying EVE?
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The GoldenRatio
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Posted - 2005.09.24 05:19:00 -
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Originally by: Graelyn Edited by: Graelyn on 24/09/2005 05:17:38
Are you new around here?
Kinda sad seeing you put together all these arguements and wrath, knowing full well that no one listens to alts.
Try not to be too surprised at the reactions you get, is all.
What makes me an alt exactly? And why would it matter? I dont care who is posting what, I care what he is posting. PS: I'm not an alt. This is my one and only character. More baseless accusations (and this one dosent even begin to make sense). Who cares what name a person is posting under? You and your carebear buddies? Big whoop. I couldnt care less. Troll elsewhere.
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arjun
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Posted - 2005.09.24 06:31:00 -
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i am not able, to run the proggy. a simple text file with install instructuions should be included.
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Redwolf
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Posted - 2005.09.24 07:03:00 -
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Mods please! Thread does not deserve this alts abuse.
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Mesiah Scuro
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Posted - 2005.09.24 07:18:00 -
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Originally by: The GoldenRatio
Originally by: Redwolf
Originally by: The GoldenRatio
But it is PLAIN TO SEE that this is NOT a user friendly installation (over 500 MB to download for starters).
Maybe the OP should edit the original post to specify that you can use just the JRE (15mb) instead of the entire Sun Java SDK. It might save some of the less computer literate out there a bit of trouble, and stop them wasting useful bandwidth as alt boy is proving.
Keep up the work Jabba.
Why mention the other programs if 15mb is all that is needed. That alone would be a mistake. If it is optional, it should be explained why it is optional and what the 485 MB extra do for you.
SDK = Software Development Kit (I think. It usually means that). You aren't developing software, so don't install it. The website makes all of this pretty damn clear. If you lack the ability/patience to read, that's YOUR fault. Everybody else here managed fine enough. ___________ Nero Scuro's alt, until thursday Saturday when I can pay my damn credit card bill. (I hate Natwest) |
Mesiah Scuro
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Posted - 2005.09.24 07:19:00 -
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Originally by: arjun Edited by: arjun on 24/09/2005 07:03:20 is the main window zoomable somehow? would be good to have the whole system on the screen
Middle mouse button. And the entire system is on the screen by default. The planets have lines linking them to the sun (makes them looks like other systems at first). ___________ Nero Scuro's alt, until thursday Saturday when I can pay my damn credit card bill. (I hate Natwest) |
Mesiah Scuro
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Posted - 2005.09.24 07:21:00 -
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Originally by: The GoldenRatio
Originally by: Eclissa
In addition I should point out that its your lack of talent with computers thats keeping you from getting it to work.
Actually I tried one time, following the instructions perfectly, and it did not work. I double checked and it still did not work. Then I saw a screenshot of what the program looks like and lost all desire to troubleshoot. Why exert effort on a worthless peice of crap that serves no purpose? Ever try pressing F10 while palying EVE?
Last I checked, F10 doesn't give me the ability to input my bookmarks, see where those bookmarks are in 3D and what distance they are from everything. VERY handy in telling if a SS is probe-*****able or not, because probes only have a depth of 1.5 AU and you can't tell ingame if a SS is within this potential zone. ___________ Nero Scuro's alt, until thursday Saturday when I can pay my damn credit card bill. (I hate Natwest) |
Ly'sol
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Posted - 2005.09.24 07:46:00 -
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Edited by: Ly''sol on 24/09/2005 07:49:00
Originally by: The GoldenRatio
Originally by: Graelyn Edited by: Graelyn on 24/09/2005 05:17:38
Are you new around here?
Kinda sad seeing you put together all these arguements and wrath, knowing full well that no one listens to alts.
Try not to be too surprised at the reactions you get, is all.
What makes me an alt exactly? And why would it matter? I dont care who is posting what, I care what he is posting. PS: I'm not an alt. This is my one and only character. More baseless accusations (and this one dosent even begin to make sense). Who cares what name a person is posting under? You and your carebear buddies? Big whoop. I couldnt care less. Troll elsewhere.
Graelyn,
You need to speak in his language. such as...
"Blah Blah blah im a dirty ass!"
Ly'sol's word of advice to Mr. Golden:
"Sandwich every bit of criticism between two thick layers of praise."
Should you react negetively Mr. Golden you would see that my dark magicians reserve card is none other than the turnip of chaos. Protecting my dark magician from all counter insults and adding an additional 300 life points for each monster I have in my graveyard. Ha HA...ugh...who am i kidding....Im just cranky so sue me.
To our programmer...
Good work,
Not as user friendly as it should be for the less inclined to follow instructions. But hammer out them bugs and stick to it, and you could have yourself a very popular tool on your hands.
Do you have a website with build information? Or a forum where people can properly tell you about bugs they incounter?
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Redwolf
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Posted - 2005.09.24 08:07:00 -
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Originally by: Ly'sol Do you have a website with build information? Or a forum where people can properly tell you about bugs they incounter?
Good idea, maybe even just a page with version history and an intstall guide for MrGoldenMuppet.
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Joshua Deakin
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Posted - 2005.09.24 08:39:00 -
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STOP feeding the troll...
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Wanoah
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Posted - 2005.09.24 09:59:00 -
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Good to see people trying to do good things for the community, and what's more, remaining good-humoured in the face of the lowest common denominator. I wouldn't have responded with such good grace to the unwarranted, attention-seeking, bad mannered, whiny river of excrement from that GoldenRatio arse. Maybe his mommy didn't love him enough as a child and now he's destined to a lifetime of jealousy and lashing out wildly at all the clever people. Shame.
Anyone with a modicum of self-respect and decency would take a look at himself; take a look at his posts; and then delete them.
We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at stars. (Sig best viewed with Firefox)
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Nicholai Pestot
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Posted - 2005.09.24 10:52:00 -
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To the o/p.
I have some free time today,i may take your software and (attempt to-as i havent seen it yet) repackage it into a single MSI.May make it a bit easyer for those with the IQ of a tomato to install it.
The MSI will, of course, only be 100% viable on XP, but its better than nothing
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Expert Newbie
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Posted - 2005.09.24 10:53:00 -
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Edited by: Expert Newbie on 24/09/2005 10:54:12 Suggestion: make the map zoomable using the scroll wheel. Holding down the middle mouse button and zooming in/out is incredibly slow. You can do this by figuring out what the scrollwheel keystroke is and then assigning it to zoom in/out like you would pressing a keyboard key.
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Jaabaa Prime
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Posted - 2005.09.24 11:02:00 -
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Originally by: Redwolf Maybe the OP should edit the original post to specify that you can use just the JRE (15mb) instead of the entire Sun Java SDK. It might save some of the less computer literate out there a bit of trouble, and stop them wasting useful bandwidth as alt boy is proving.
Keep up the work Jabba.
OK, I'll edit the OP to indicate that you only need the JRE to run it. -- Intergalactic Teeth Pullers "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." Albert Einstein |
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Jaabaa Prime
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Posted - 2005.09.24 11:07:00 -
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Originally by: Ly'sol Good work,
Not as user friendly as it should be for the less inclined to follow instructions. But hammer out them bugs and stick to it, and you could have yourself a very popular tool on your hands.
I'll keep refining it's funtionality.
Originally by: Ly'sol Do you have a website with build information? Or a forum where people can properly tell you about bugs they incounter?
Not yet. -- Intergalactic Teeth Pullers "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." Albert Einstein |
Jaabaa Prime
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Posted - 2005.09.24 11:09:00 -
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Originally by: Expert Newbie Suggestion: make the map zoomable using the scroll wheel. Holding down the middle mouse button and zooming in/out is incredibly slow. You can do this by figuring out what the scrollwheel keystroke is and then assigning it to zoom in/out like you would pressing a keyboard key.
Java isolates the HW completely from the program, but I'll look into using the mouse wheel and see what I can do. -- Intergalactic Teeth Pullers "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." Albert Einstein |
Jaabaa Prime
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Posted - 2005.09.24 11:55:00 -
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OK, I've added support for the mouse wheel and put it in a seperate file.
eve-explorer-JAR-ONLY.zip
I haven't updated the main ZIP file so if you want mouse wheel support you'll have to get both. -- Intergalactic Teeth Pullers "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." Albert Einstein |
Oxymoronic
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Posted - 2005.09.24 12:21:00 -
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Go away. Id be willing to bet a good portion of the Eve audience has compiled their own kernel before, this install is simple and a first release it looks like.
Please tell me you're jokeing. In my final year of my university degree I studied usabilty in computer programs. There is a great gap between people who design and make programs and those who use them. Microsoft and Apple have spent tens of millions of dollars trying to make their operating system easy to use. Most people are (in the population as a whole) are intimidated by selecting where to put files when installing a program, let alone useing a command line. Its a sad fact that any program that requires any extra software to use (even something as simple as a codec) will mean that more than 80% of people simply will not be able to compleate the install. In the case of this program very few people will be able to get it to work, which is a shame. (I blame Microsoft, they should include Java with windows distributions) Oh yeah, I've a Degree in Computer Science and I've never compiled my own kernal before, so na :p
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Jaabaa Prime
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Posted - 2005.09.24 12:36:00 -
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This topic has nothing to do with people's computer literacy or their ability to install programs.
The program runs on more than one operating system and as such there isn't an "installer" or a set way of doing anything. All you have to do is get the pre-requisites, install them and download and start the application.
So please stop trying to derail this thread and trying to turn it into a "program packaging" discussion.
Thank you. -- Intergalactic Teeth Pullers "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." Albert Einstein |
M3ta7h3ad
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Posted - 2005.09.24 12:56:00 -
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Originally by: Oxymoronic Go away. Id be willing to bet a good portion of the Eve audience has compiled their own kernel before, this install is simple and a first release it looks like.
Please tell me you're jokeing. In my final year of my university degree I studied usabilty in computer programs. There is a great gap between people who design and make programs and those who use them. Microsoft and Apple have spent tens of millions of dollars trying to make their operating system easy to use. Most people are (in the population as a whole) are intimidated by selecting where to put files when installing a program, let alone useing a command line.
Seems to me that the only people to have a problem installing it is that idiot Goldenwhatsit... and yourself apparantly.
Considering the numbers of praising posts in this thread I would think its quite easy to get up and running for the majority of people with more brain cells than a hamster.
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Its a sad fact that any program that requires any extra software to use (even something as simple as a codec) will mean that more than 80% of people simply will not be able to compleate the install. In the case of this program very few people will be able to get it to work, which is a shame. (I blame Microsoft, they should include Java with windows distributions)
All programs require additional software, be it drivers to interact with your hardware, an OS to actually be installed within and use its resource library. It isnt sad, its how things work. As a computer science student I'd expect you to realise this.
This program is in the "alpha/beta" stage of development quite clearly, and testers should treat it as such. A little "knowledge" should be required at this point in order to run the software, its not intended for general release to the mass populace. The install for this bit of software is ridiculously easy.
Download the JAVA JRE (which I am willing to bet 60% of people already have on their systems as its rather a popular thing to have) and run the software as instructed. Simple.
MSFT and Sun have been well known to no longer have any agreements (Court cases, anti-trust blahblah..), that and Java is a direct rival to MSFT's .NET SDK. It would be unwise as a company for MSFT to offer a rivals system preinstalled on theirs.
Quote: oh yeah, I've a Degree in Computer Science and I've never compiled my own kernal before, so na :p
I'm currently studying Computer Science in University also (2nd year), for someone who already has a degree in it, you seem to be woefully inept at understanding the concepts of software development. (Also.. cant say I've ever "rolled my own" kernel either.)
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Eris Discordia
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Posted - 2005.09.24 13:15:00 -
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No one if forcing you to use it, you will not miss out if you can't use it. Please do not troll this thread and blame others if you can't use it.
If you think you can do better then design your own 3D map and stop insulting people here in this thread.
I ♥ my pink dreadnought of pwnage You spin me right round, baby. |
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Oxymoronic
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Posted - 2005.09.24 13:15:00 -
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Metalhead, you seem to think that just because you find it easy, everyone else does. They dont.
I agree with kingpenn.
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M3ta7h3ad
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Posted - 2005.09.24 13:38:00 -
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Originally by: Oxymoronic Metalhead, you seem to think that just because you find it easy, everyone else does. They dont.
I agree with kingpenn.
Nope mate, im yet to run the software, will do so when I get home I think to have a quick look at it.
As I said in my original post, considering the numbers of "praise" posts as opposed to the 2 or 3 people who have difficulty understanding, or are misunderstanding the instructions to install it. I would presume that it is a minority that has trouble with installing the software. Anyway's enough said on this topic. :)
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Jaabaa Prime
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Posted - 2005.09.24 13:39:00 -
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I've updated the first post to include some instructions about how to get Java and java3d installed and running, not the greatest of instructions but I hope it helps.
To the application itself.
I wrote it ages ago before probes were in game and used it to track down safe spots, that's why there is a bookmark function.
You can enter the position of the BM you are creating and the scan range (the x,y,z values are displayed only in the create bookmark dialog). This adds a red translucent sphere to the scene and you can add multiple BMs and see where they intersect to get a better idea of where a safespot is.
With the probes now in game it is more of a novalty application, but I find it nice to see just what a system really looks like, it makes working with probes just that little bit easier.
I tried adding in moons and stations but they are so close to the planets that it isn't worth it.
I was actually hoping that the new scanner system would have been more like my application when it was announced, with 3D display of your probes and their over lapping areas, that would have rocked but it isn't.
And Eris, thanks for cleaning up the thread, you rock. -- Intergalactic Teeth Pullers "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." Albert Einstein |
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