The Stealth Bomber argument doesn't seem to be too massive a hurdle to help Torps damage application, just buff torps range/exp radius/exp velocity and tune down the Stealth Bomber bonuses.

I think the advantage of missiles is that they can provide consistent damage. You never "miss" with them as you would with turrets. The downside is perhaps less over all applied damage. If you give missiles the same damage capabilities of turrets while keeping the consistence that missile weapon systems have, you'll make missiles (in this case torps) broken and over powered.


But hey if you want to buff my little SB base corp via torps by all means.

Why is everyone talking about range?
Torpedos are the short ranged BS missile system and even so 40km (IIRC) is not unacheivable in a PvP fit Raven. Torp range is not an issue.
I would also suggest that hitting Minmatar BS (which are generally both the smallest and fastest) with Rage Torps is not intended to yield full damage...
I haven't spent any appreciable time in my Torp boats since the modification to GMP so I can't say for certain how much effect that's had but I might be persuaded that the damage application of Torps still needs work, though probably not by direct modification of the missile's stats but rather through modules which would have that effect.

I haven't used missiles for a while but it's in my estimation that torpedoes would gain the most benefit from a decreased explosion radius. In addition to this you make the missile caldari ships gain explosion speed bonuses as well as their typical damage bonus. In this way ships like the raven and golem are distinct from other racial torpedo ships by having much better damage application even if minmatar get a rate of fire bonus or some other racial bonus. Minmatar already get target painter bonuses to compensate as well as generous low slots for armour tanking. If we hold that caldari are missile specialists and must have shield tanked ships the we should be open minded about providing them an actual reason to be flown that way.

Why is everyone talking about range?
Torpedos are the short ranged BS missile system and even so 40km (IIRC) is not unacheivable in a PvP fit Raven. Torp range is not an issue.
I would also suggest that hitting Minmatar BS (which are generally both the smallest and fastest) with Rage Torps is not intended to yield full damage...
I haven't spent any appreciable time in my Torp boats since the modification to GMP so I can't say for certain how much effect that's had but I might be persuaded that the damage application of Torps still needs work, though probably not by direct modification of the missile's stats but rather through modules which would have that effect.

Thats with the hefty range bonus that the Raven gets, Mega Pulse gets 45km optimal with Scorch with no bonuses, and 800mm Arties with barrage get better range as well. They also have decent enough application that you don't have to be shooting a moon to do damage.

Because a maximum range for a heavy weapon system of 20km (assuming no ship bonuses to range) is horrible,

EDIT: Remember that at this time missile systems have no modules that enhance their range, unlike turret weapons.

So Blasters (17km on Neutrons with AM) are severely underpowered? The option does exist to extend that to almost 30km using Iron ammunition of course... for a 50% reduction in damage.

Torps are a short ranged weapon system, they suffer the same limitations as other short ranged weapon systems and are adequately compensated (IMHO) with raw damage.

that actualy depends on the changes to Torpedo's and these idea's arround Missiles damage application mods CCP Rise was talking about.

Let me put it another way then; I can't hit another Raven going 117m/s for full damage with rage torpedoes.

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Yes, I'm aware of this. As I say, I might be convinced that damage application boosts are required, but in the form of modules rather than base stats.

In a strabge way thay got Torps working for Stealth Bombers by giving them insane bonuses, I you buff trops without Looking at the stealth bombers space turns dark with cloaked Stealth Bombers

You're crazy if you think you should get full damage against an untackled attack BS using Rage torps.

You're crazy if you think you should get full damage against an untackled attack BS using Rage torps.

A battleship should be competitive within its own class without the need for gimped fittings, specialised fittings.

The attack battleships should that sub-section ever emerge should be viable against larger/smaller targets as deemed necessary. Combat battleships like the raven should be able to go toe-to-toe with another combat battleship and have a fair chance of winning without needing to gimp the fit or take logi along.

Any ship that cannot compete within its own class is underpowered. The excuse of taking a second person(alt) along is a cop out and frail justification for multiboxing. I have never and will never support the idea of running multiple accounts. If a game can't be done on the shoulders of its playerbase it's a bad game.

So Blasters (17km on Neutrons with AM) are severely underpowered? The option does exist to extend that to almost 30km using Iron ammunition of course... for a 50% reduction in damage.

Torps are a short ranged weapon system, they suffer the same limitations as other short ranged weapon systems and are adequately compensated (IMHO) with raw damage.