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kessah
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Posted - 2005.09.24 01:10:00 -
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Whats the deal with this book?
1.168 or summin, someone in my flat told me about this book being amazing...
Freaks me out this sorta **** - makes me reflect on life etc. Which i try to avoid, makse me think about it for weeks...
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Graelyn
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Posted - 2005.09.24 02:17:00 -
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Edited by: Graelyn on 24/09/2005 02:17:39
I know the deep premise....
...and even as a somewhat religious person I don't find it too relevant.
If it's true....well, whoopdiedoo.(Not trying to be coarse, but....)
Not your average Amarrian Loyalist....
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Siri Danae
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Posted - 2005.09.24 02:38:00 -
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The book is hogwash. I say that as someone going for a master's degree in history, not a zealot. On top of that, its poorly written.
People who think they might like this stuff should try Umberto Eco's books. They're thoughtful, insightful, and not a little trippy.
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Foose
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Posted - 2005.09.24 03:29:00 -
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The Book is great! If you want evemail me and i'll send you a copy.
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Gericault m0id
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Posted - 2005.09.24 03:48:00 -
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It's an extremely entertaining book. Makes you wanna research themes and particulars.
Although I'm not entirely sure about the veracity of some of the insinuations.
But very interesting and entertaining - well worth a read.
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revren
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Posted - 2005.09.24 05:18:00 -
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If you like this book and want to read something in the same vein but in my opinion more complex look into Uberto Eco , Foucault's Pendulum. or for something completly diffrent but chcok full of conspiracy, read Anton Wilsons, the Illuminatus!,
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2005.09.24 05:53:00 -
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Felt real but not real (as in real life).
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Deka Kador
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Posted - 2005.09.24 06:38:00 -
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It's great for conspiracy nuts (like me) but if you research some of his claims (especially about Opus Dei and some of his interpretations about symbols) you'll see he has certainly bent the truth in a number of areas.
Still, it's a great read.
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Garrad
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Posted - 2005.09.24 07:17:00 -
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Edited by: Garrad on 24/09/2005 07:17:47
It is a "boys own" page turning book, very entertaining but wow is it poorly written. Not that the author gives a flying V what I think as he heads towards 2 million copies sold, but here are some aspects I didn't like about the book...
Warning - Spoilers ahead.... You have been warned
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I've finished The Da Vinci Code - Dan Brown being the culprit - and I suppose that its too late to ask for that time back again.
Although to be fair I have read worse books (the one I am reading now - an east end thriller) is really not all that great either but at least Mr Brown kept me reading the damn thing till the last page, even if some of it was a little bit cringe worthy.
Just in case anyone reading this wants to read this [url=http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0552149519/qid=1109623537/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl/026-1194500-1954052] Da Vinic Code @ amazon[/url] then I won't give away the plot (such as it is).
Sufficed to say that although Dan's research may be okay on religion its not so hot on real life; so here are a few pointers to anyone not from Europe (for any yanks reading this - that the large land mass just to the left of Russia and just above Africa):
1 - English police do not carry guns. Not even to intercept planes landing with possible bad guys on board and if they did then:
2 - The chief of police for that area would not be the one to personally over see the operation.
3 - The English channel should not be described as "an ocean stretching away into the distance"
4 - The optimal car for out running the French police would not be a Smart Car
5 - Most high security vaults would not let just anyone in because the happen to have the right key and claim to be the daughter of someone important
6 - Parking a stretched Jag in the middle of a St James Park would attract not only the attention of the police, but the bomb squad the anti-terrorist squad and the local news helicopter. This is therefore an unlikely place to choose if you want to covertly murder someone.
7 - Inside a London tube station is an unlikely place to find a phone box
I could go on, but to be honest I actually enjoyed this book in places and the ending was not the let down I thought it might be, treading a difficult line between uncovering mysteries and leaving a little bit undiscovered :-)
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mirel yirrin
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Posted - 2005.09.24 09:36:00 -
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Who cares, it was a work of FICTION
I enjoyed it immensly, even tho its all total nonsense.
the person above me takes it WAAAAAAAAY too seriously...
The British Police do have weapons, especially if they think that the targets are going to be armed.
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Tsavong Lah
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Posted - 2005.09.24 10:22:00 -
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Edited by: Tsavong Lah on 24/09/2005 10:22:19
 Originally by: kessah
1.168 or summin
Don't talk about the ratio! You'll bring them all back out!!!
Yes, good book. Yes, fiction. But it does make you wonder what the church does hide..... 
IMO, Angels & Demons was better tho.
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TheJay
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Posted - 2005.09.24 11:24:00 -
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Originally by: mirel yirrin
Who cares, it was a work of FICTION
I enjoyed it immensly, even tho its all total nonsense.
the person above me takes it WAAAAAAAAY too seriously...
The British Police do have weapons, especially if they think that the targets are going to be armed.
I second that 
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Wanoah
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Posted - 2005.09.24 11:37:00 -
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It's not an altogether bad read: the underlying mystery is fascinating on its own. I understand that some of the basic premise is allegedly (I say allegedly because I believe there is legal action pending) plagiarised from some original research into some of the 'lost' texts of the New Testament.
You get a nice conspiracy theory that blends some factual elements with fiction: it's a little similar to James Ellroy's fiction where you get real people and events woven in; making it hard to separate fact and fiction.
The main thing that lets the book down is characterisation. Dan Brown is incapable of creating decent, sympathetic, realistic characters in his books. If you can live with two dimensional, cardboard cutout stereotypes for 600 pages, then you'll have a ball. Personally, I was left grinding my teeth after every line of hackneyed dialogue and cringing at every paragraph of clichŚd character exposition.
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TauTut
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Posted - 2005.09.24 12:06:00 -
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Originally by: Garrad
Edited by: Garrad on 24/09/2005 07:17:47
1 - English police do not carry guns. Not even to intercept planes landing with possible bad guys on board and if they did then:
Wrong - Police in the UK have been carrying firearms for years. Specialist squads of course - not your every day Bobby.
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Suze'Rain
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Posted - 2005.09.24 14:51:00 -
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of course, the entire book is a blatant rip-off of Michael Baigent's "the holy blood and the holy grail"
the only difference is that baigent was hoaxed while researching and thought that a lot of what he'd found was real, when it was later discovered to be fake, and Dan Brown simply took the fictional histories made up in the hoax, and turned them into a story.
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Caeden Nicomachean
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Posted - 2005.09.24 14:56:00 -
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Originally by: revren
read Anton Wilsons, the Illuminatus!
Definitely in the same category, though making it through all of Illum - at least the thir d book becomes an act of force feeding.
Da Vinci Code is probably most amazing to those who haven't been exposed to history much, but its entertaining, and gets people reading real history - so it scores an A in societal value to me. The trick of course is remembering its entertainment. You don't watch the Matrix and then start jumping off buildings
But apples now....
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Bosie
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Posted - 2005.09.24 16:10:00 -
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It was an OK work of fiction. Interesting read too. To the poster that complians about the Smart car, read Waterships down, the rabits there talk!
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Tairos Hakonnus
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Posted - 2005.09.24 16:43:00 -
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An entertaining, but trashy work of fiction.
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TauTut
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Posted - 2005.09.24 17:36:00 -
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Originally by: Suze'Rain
of course, the entire book is a blatant rip-off of Michael Baigent's "the holy blood and the holy grail"
the only difference is that baigent was hoaxed while researching and thought that a lot of what he'd found was real, when it was later discovered to be fake, and Dan Brown simply took the fictional histories made up in the hoax, and turned them into a story.
Yes. The Holy Blood and The Holy Grail was explosive back in the early 80's - yet it appears that the authors we being lead inaccurately to reveal a scenario in order to assist someone elses agenda. However, there were plenty of other aspects of the book that I found captivating. I always felt the conclusion was 'off the mark' and that they lost the real plot about 2/3 of the way through book.
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Garrad
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Posted - 2005.09.24 20:24:00 -
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I seem to be taking some flack here for wanting my fiction not to have plot holes in it you could drive an armoured truck through.
What the hell has talking rabbits got to do with anything...?
The smart car has the worst road holding of any car in the world... bah. why bother...
Listen. I finished the book, which means it gripped me enough. I didn't take it seriously I am not reliogous so I didn't worry about its thoeries on christ and having a son and all that jazz. I felt that if the author couldn't be bothered to get the basics right (smart cars and your average "bobby" carrying guns - which they dont do only the specials get the bang bangs) then how on earth I am supposed to believe he got the other bits right?
Its an interesting theory. Christ left a son behind. But not original and the evidence offered to support the theory was laughable. I can't believe the church got upset by this...
So come on guys. Cut me a break, give me some slack and spare me the talking rabbits...
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2005.09.25 01:13:00 -
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Originally by: kessah
Whats the deal with this book?
1.168 or summin...
1.618033989 and a bunch of other numbers. There's no end to the buggers. I mean, one point five, you could respect.
It's the Golden Section, or Golden Ratio; the only positive solution to the formula (x^2 = x+1). What it has to do with the Da Vinci Code, i have absolutely no idea. 
As to the amounts by which he "bent the truth", or indeed totally lied .... as pointed out above. IT'S A NOVEL. Not a work of history.
Robert Harris wrote an excellent novel, "Enigma", set in 1963, some 18 years after **** Germany clinched victory in World War 2. I don't recall anyone ever complaining that the novel was flawed because he was mistaken about who won the war. 
It is, by and large, complete hogwash. It's known, and deliberate, complete hogwash, for the sake of a story. It's not meant to be, and shouldn't be considered as, any sort of historical or factual document. It's become so popular, chiefly because people are happy to ignore this and delude themselves into thinking there's something to it all.
Well, it's getting harder and harder to surprise me about just how unbelievably stupid the human race really is. This doesn't manage it.
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kessah
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Posted - 2005.09.25 15:40:00 -
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hmmmm.
Well ive done a few mushroom trips and they impacted on me in a big way. changed my ideas on life completly and i loved it.
If its worth the read then il pick up a copy. Thanks Guys
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Finraer
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Posted - 2005.09.25 17:06:00 -
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Originally by: Garrad
I seem to be taking some flack here for wanting my fiction not to have plot holes in it you could drive an armoured truck through.
I agree with you mate.
My problem with the book wasn't its storyline as such. The plot has more holes than you might expect given the universe he is writing in. Talking rabbits in Watership Down are part of the story. The plot is internally consistent. Dan Brown's novel was poorly written as it wasn't. Then again, have you read Angels and Demons?
Having said that, I enjoyed reading the book on the tube on the way into work. I just wouldn't say that it justifies all the hype and if you are after something good to read then there are better books out there.
Someone suggested Foucault's Pendulum, that's a vastly better book.
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Yolan
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Posted - 2005.09.25 18:33:00 -
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I just dont get all the hype with this book. I'm assuming that its only as popular as it has become due to its subject matter.
Dont get me wrong its a decent enough book, just nowhere near the shining example of literature some people seem to make it out to be.
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Epoch
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Posted - 2005.09.26 07:32:00 -
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Originally by: TheJay
Originally by: mirel yirrin
Who cares, it was a work of FICTION
I enjoyed it immensly, even tho its all total nonsense.
the person above me takes it WAAAAAAAAY too seriously...
I second that
I third that.
The Da Vinci Code is FICTION
ficĄtion n.
1. A literary work whose content is produced by the imagination and is not necessarily based on fact.
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Epoch
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Posted - 2005.09.26 07:39:00 -
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Originally by: kessah
hmmmm.
Well ive done a few mushroom trips and they impacted on me in a big way. changed my ideas on life completly and i loved it.
If its worth the read then il pick up a copy. Thanks Guys
wtf does eating mushrooms, dropping acid and having a "life changing experience" (gimme a ******* break) have to do with reading a book.
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Magic Trev
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Posted - 2005.09.26 21:02:00 -
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all of you should get of that kiddy ****z and read more adult and sophisticated books like Harry Potter tbh
Originally by: Eris Discordia
Size doesn't matter, it's what you do with it?
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Garrad
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Posted - 2005.09.26 21:51:00 -
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Originally by: Epoch
Edited by: Epoch on 26/09/2005 07:35:18
Originally by: TheJay
Originally by: mirel yirrin
Who cares, it was a work of FICTION
I enjoyed it immensly, even tho its all total nonsense.
the person above me takes it WAAAAAAAAY too seriously...
I second that
I third that.
The Da Vinci Code is FICTION
ficĄtion n.
1. A literary work whose content is produced by the imagination and is not necessarily based on fact.
Dan Browns ability to write is completely subjective to the reader. Personally, I think he is an excellent writer...
"this conversation...is over"
An excellent writer he is not. A page turner writer who keeps you reading he is. I love books that suspend my belief. Harry Potter was cool, but a childrens book. Dan Brown wrote a book for adults and....
Well okay. Here is an example of something that made me cringe. The church decide to send in a secert agent to catch our hero and silence him with a knot in his throat. Okay, I can handle that. Why not? The church has been around a long time, why shouldn't they have covert "black on black" departments. But, the guy they pick to go to paris is a 7 foot tall alibino monk with red eyes. Just the sort of person who would blend into the coffee shop lined streets of *** paris.
Suspend beleif... No, this is taking it outside and giving it a kicking until the police turn up to pull you off...
But, as I said above, I did finish the book and it did keep me reading to the end. Therefore, there had to be something in there.
But the characters were horrid. The dialog was B Movie ("quick pass me the soap your life depends on it" - no really that happened) and the chase me chase me plot line was ran out of puff about 3/4's in. And the cryptologist of a girlfriend the hero hung out with didn't seem able to solve anagrams of her own name....
Mind you, I am a writer myself so my opinions might just be a little bit based on outright jealousy... maybe...
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Garrad
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Posted - 2005.09.26 21:52:00 -
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Can't beleive it edited out "G A Y paris"
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Maranhao
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Posted - 2005.09.27 00:11:00 -
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I really liked the book, it was entertaining to read and to say the least the story creates sparks in your mind, although probably it's total fiction, but it's very interesting to think that it could all have happened. :) Good read, at least it's funny at parts and the story is catchy.
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