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Mesiah Scuro
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Posted - 2005.09.26 22:43:00 -
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Interesting.
If someone were to go back on their word in a 1v1 and get corpmates to gank the opposition, and they were to lose, say, 740 million on their ship, you'd say that the person who lied and ganked them was scum, right?
But lying to someone about a buisness deal is different?
I suppose because there is no ingame mechanic forcing a 1v1 to be honored you'd call the guy you ganked a dumbass for believing you there, too? Sounds the same to me.
You're only EVER as good as your word in EVE. It's more valuable than any amount of ISK. Just because you were talking and not shooting one another makes it different?
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Tenacha Khan
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Posted - 2005.09.26 22:50:00 -
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 Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Trevedian
The people here saying they would pay the guy anyway are full of hypocracy, and I don't believe them at all...
Right.
Difference is, no-one will believe you in the future.
I am a man of my word, which is why I don't give it often.
I will kill, loot, steal, pillage to make isk, but I will not welch on a deal.
If I ransom someone and they pay, they go free.
If I tell someone I won't shoot them, I won't.
If I agree to a sale, I won't back out.
I might not be a 'good guy' but I am honest.
You don't have to be dishonest to seem 'cool and ebil', if anything the honest ones are the ones to worry about.
Thnx avon for typing that, you saved me the time as I was thinking something similar, now I can go ***** another topic faster 
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Liu Kaskakka
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Posted - 2005.09.26 22:55:00 -
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Originally by: Trevedian
I will prove to you all that I am trustworthy... Everyone here (except members of Kr0m), send me 740 million isk. I will then send it back to you... HONEST I WILL... KK THX STFU
99% of the people that play EVE would take a 1260HP Armor Rep from someone they didn't know without batting an eyelash... I'll lose no sleep, Hail Satan!
/emote goes off to kick some puppies or somethin'
Meh, don't get me wrong Trev. You asked what I would do and I answered by copying Avon's good answer. I have scammed on market and still would if it was as feasible as before, but I still wouldn't scam on a 1on1 deal. If I "give my word", I will keep it.
I'm not saying what you should do, its totally up to you mate. From an ebil griefer RP point of view, you shouldn't give a single isk back. However, you shouldn't have asked others' opinion if you didn't want to hear it. ;|
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Hans Roaming
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Posted - 2005.09.26 23:05:00 -
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It's not about setting a price on escrow, if he'd done that and you saw it and claimed it as a normal escrow deal then there would be nothing wrong, what people are saying is you made an agreement to pay him and then went back on your agreement because you weren't forced by the game to keep your end of the bargain. If you don't keep your word on things you say you will do then fair enough, but don't try and rationalise it as anything other than what it is, your word is now worth nothing.
Outreach Executive
Huzzah Foreign Affairs
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Evil Edna
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Posted - 2005.09.26 23:29:00 -
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if you return it trev i will come over there and personally slap your face
if anyone is dumb enough to enter an item to escrow for 0.00 isk they dont deserve the cash
i mean, jesus christ it comes up with a box to confirm it with the ammount of cash there
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Salusa VC
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Posted - 2005.09.26 23:56:00 -
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Originally by: Trevedian
I'm just curious how other people would handle this. He made the mistake and forgot to put a price on the escrow... If I did the same I wouldn't expect 1 isk back.
My corpmates urged me to pay him something, so I sent him 740 isk. Is that fair? I'd like to hear your suggestions.
To be honest and with no offence, it is my opinion that you had already made your mind up not to pay the seller before you even posted. Sending 740 isk is just rubbing salt into the wound.
Originally by: Trevedian
As far as my rep goes, I'd like to be known for my PVP abilities and not my being a sissy, nice guy that rewards those too ignorant to set a price for their escrows.
Originally by: Trevedian
I will prove to you all that I am trustworthy... Everyone here (except members of Kr0m), send me 740 million isk. I will then send it back to you... HONEST I WILL... KK THX STFU.
Despite your PvP skills, you will be remembered more for coming on the forums, asking people for thier suggestions and then telling them to "STFU". Not something I would want to be remembered for.
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Lansfear
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Posted - 2005.09.27 00:06:00 -
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What Salusa said. Now you're no longer an honorable pirate. Just another pirate greifer that will get away with anything they can.
<3 to Avon and his kind.
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GFLTorque
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Posted - 2005.09.27 01:07:00 -
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Trev,
I can sense that your heart is troubled. After great deliberation, I would send him an Evemail with the following:
Na Nanny Boo Boo !
If upon reading this he is still troubled, I'd forward him to Guiding Hand Social Club whom I am sure will promptly put a red rubber ball in his mouth and hand cuffs on his wrists.
Finite Horizon
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2005.09.27 01:56:00 -
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Originally by: GFLTorque
If upon reading this he is still troubled, I'd forward him to Guiding Hand Social Club whom I am sure will promptly put a red rubber ball in his mouth and hand cuffs on his wrists.
I dunno, from the brief encounter I had with Istvaan once like 3 days into the game, I don't think he'd ball-gag the guy if he's got 'soft lips'... 
As for the rep... IC, I'd have to second Verone's statement.
OOC... I dunno, it's really hard to screw up escrow like that. It's one thing to say, have 1 too many or 1 too few 0's, but to not type in 740000000??? My god, this guy may someday win EVE's 1st Darwin Award.
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Trevedian
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Posted - 2005.09.27 05:26:00 -
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Originally by: GFLTorque
Trev,
I can sense that your heart is troubled. After great deliberation, I would send him an Evemail with the following:
Na Nanny Boo Boo !
If upon reading this he is still troubled, I'd forward him to Guiding Hand Social Club whom I am sure will promptly put a red rubber ball in his mouth and hand cuffs on his wrists.
Those are wise words of wisdom Ol' Buddy...
Sex0r > you're bounty turns me on.. you seem like the kind of amarrian to dominate me
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Xardrix
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Posted - 2005.09.27 05:59:00 -
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*shrug* I would have paid half. Thats a fair compromise.
Now, I won't accept bids from you, or anyone from your corp, or alts that just happen to have that kind of isk.
Sorry, just can't trust ya. I will also lose no sleep.
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PsyBoRG
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Posted - 2005.09.27 06:25:00 -
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hmmm what i would do...
oh well he screwed him self i would keep it and not pay a dime
i would be forced by my pirate nature and as a wise man once said "that would be the griefy thing to do"
btw all ur bids on my auctions will be accepted as i have allready learned how to type 740000000
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Cmdr Grudge
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Posted - 2005.09.27 06:29:00 -
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Funny... not that i ever fought Trev or any other KR0M... but I respected him as a pirate. until now.
now his credibility resides somewhere between Ginger Magican and Firstname Lastname.
P.S.: Sorry Ginger, Sorry Firstname, no personal offense here i just had to pull off some kind of comparison.
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Akaviri
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Posted - 2005.09.27 07:21:00 -
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If I had an auction in the future and Trev won, I'd still set an escrow to him. His name isn't ruined in my book. I'd just make damn sure I set the right price on escrow. You can't cheat someone out of isk unless they let you.
EVE is a cutthroat game and the penalties for screwing up can be harsh. If I messed up I wouldn't expect to get any isk back. Personally, I'd keep the isk.
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Hans Roaming
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Posted - 2005.09.27 08:05:00 -
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I guess there are those on these thread that understand the value of doing what they say they will do when they strike a deal and those that don't, it wasn't a question of escrow being set correctly it was a question of Trevedian keeping up his end of a bargain. Now along with others on he has demonstrated his word is worth nothing, so how can a person make any sort of agreement with them if they can't be trusted to keep their end of the bargain? And I don't just mean the transfer of ISK for items for those that can't see it.
Outreach Executive
Huzzah Foreign Affairs
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Tbone
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Posted - 2005.09.27 08:38:00 -
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Trev, even though im a ebil person at times, this decision would be hard. ive gotten good crap off escrow for 0 isk before and didnt think twice. and i prolly wouldn't think twice for this deal BUT, there would be something in my head for about oh lets say 15 minutes, asking me to pay. And you know what i would tell that angel, **** OFF.
He screwed up and did that, its yours. just like afk mining in low sec or anything else, you dont pay attention, someone else will and snatch it up.
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Peter Armstrong
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Posted - 2005.09.27 08:50:00 -
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Edited by: Peter Armstrong on 27/09/2005 08:52:18
LOLOL reading though the replys i dont think i would trust anyone to be honest. I mean if u guys had that for free u wouldnt pay. Hell I wouldnt pay he made a mistake and he was silly to let trev know of the mistake. He could of said nothing and hope to get it back but most of u guys say u pay the man but really i dont think u guys would lol.
Oh and its even worse when someone sell an item and a person win the aucton doesnt give it to the winner because just because he didnt like him even tho the win would pay etc. i sadly hear alot about that too. So really saying he won the aucton he should pay but why most seller dont give it to the person who win the aucton?? In my eyes thats just as bad. 
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FooB2
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Posted - 2005.09.27 08:51:00 -
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this just has to be said
"You cant scam someone out of ISK unless they let you scam them" - bang on the money, couple with the 2 week grand prize to hawaii.
think about it, who is the one at fault?
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Ashraaf
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Posted - 2005.09.27 09:00:00 -
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All of them are faulty
One not to check his escrow, the other not to give what he agrees for
i see difference in Evil RP in game, and fair auction in forum.
If i don't want someone in auction/trade, i said as soon as i saw him posting
Trev is an evil pirate, killing and so ...
Trev player is someone else, and just no, i'm not sure is a trusty player
That the difference.
In game action, player action
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General Skanker
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Posted - 2005.09.27 09:18:00 -
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Bah, he had made the mistakes and I think trying to weight the decision with it shows you as dishonest, pfft!! I'd still sell to you but I'd set the escrow up properly ofc 
Anybody that wants to make isk in the game isn't going to care WHO they sell it to as long as they pay the isk. This being partly the subject yes but if your dealing with things worth that much then really that's just carelessness on their part for their setting the escrow up wrong as well as then going on to tell them it was there for free! 
I don't think you should pay it back as it's pure carelessness on the sellers part!
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Elros Vardamir
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Posted - 2005.09.27 09:19:00 -
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Well; if it's a free escrow it's a free escrow.
I would have gone for it; although he was silly to have been honest with a pirate.
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Hans Roaming
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Posted - 2005.09.27 09:49:00 -
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At least this thread is showing who can keep thier word and who can't, what *****s me up is those that can't don't seem to understand the problem. It wasn't a scam, it wasn't taking advantage of a random incorrectly setup escrow it was going back on an agreement in an auction. It's no different from agreeing to a 1v1 and then ganking that person with 10 BS or taking a ransom and then destroying the ship or podding the person. The people that don't sell at auctions to players they dislike are just as bad.
As for those that can't understand the people who say they would pay, don't judge everyone by your own standards.
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Huzzah Foreign Affairs
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spRAYed
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Posted - 2005.09.27 09:53:00 -
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U dont have to be a pirate because u dont pay him back for a stupid mistake like that...
I wouldn't pay the ***** either. How much easyer can it be.....u even get a confirm message.
U SURE u want to put the OMGUBERSEXOR LARGE ARMOR REPZOR up on escrow restricted to BADASS Trevedian for the WHOLE AMOUNT OF: 0.o0.000 ISK!!?
Keep teh money....he'll never learn otherwise
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Heinky
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Posted - 2005.09.27 10:09:00 -
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Trev , The armor rep was prolly a stolen good, ill bet he stole it from our pirate friends that roam 0.0 belts or complexes.
SO imo the armor rep was just returned to the pirates were it belongs.
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Hexxor
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Posted - 2005.09.27 10:10:00 -
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Originally by: Trevedian
All the people that have posted saying I should pay the guy in full despite him making the mistake of escrowing the item for 0.00 isk, have convinced me to pay.
I will send him another 110 isk (in addition to the 740 isk that I sent him initially). This will cover the 850 isk he paid to make the escrow... Plus I'll give him a personal "Thank You"
The people here saying they would pay the guy anyway are full of hypocracy, and I don't believe them at all... Its not like I stole anything... All I did was claim an escrow for the price it was made for...
I did nothing wrong, Barbeque needs to learn how to make an escrow!
Then why ask if you had already decided not to pay him?
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Ashraaf
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Posted - 2005.09.27 10:14:00 -
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Do it the other way
we agree price
I put escrow 0 isk and send mail to you as soon as the item is up to you to take.
I trust your word in forum, i give the item, so give me payment.
Actually Trev word is nothing. Fair trade is nothing for Krom. Player could find their own conclusion. But if now someone refuse a trade with Trev or a Krom i will understand why.
I'm the one to think that my word in a trade is to be trusted no matter of things goes. If the other keep word i kept my word.
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Wild Rho
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Posted - 2005.09.27 10:26:00 -
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I'd pay the isk tbh but that's just me.
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Flyyn
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Posted - 2005.09.27 11:28:00 -
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Honor, is a important thing, once lost can never be replaced. You sir have no honor.
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Logan Xerxes
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Posted - 2005.09.27 11:36:00 -
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Trev, pay at least 75% of the agreed value. While I accept that you're a pirate (hell im one too! ) but damn... this is just low. And hell, verone says pay... it's like the colloseum and he's the emperor
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Dreck Morrison
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Posted - 2005.09.27 12:42:00 -
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You might as well become a pirate seller too while you are at it. Hold auctions then after someone wins put up the escrows at double the price. When they say "wtf" you can say "I made a mistake go ahead and claim it and I will then send you back half". Of course you will keep the isk. I see no difference in that and paying zero for a won auction.
Best of luck
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