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OldWolf69
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Posted - 2013.05.02 09:37:00 -
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Hearing all the chatter form CCP about teamwork and ****: i just wonder how short-minded one can be to imagine that teamwork on protecting miners can be lucrative. Or to believe that someone will get big epic battles coming up to protect some Macks... Since cloak system is how it is. Since blop fleets go how those go. Where's the long term reward on mining ice in null? Another interesting question: a scanned belt is way smaller than a actual ice belt, would i say. How long do you guys think will pass since some smart hisec boyz will start to use smartbombs on miners, and make a second-jita-undock outta erry scanned belt? Do you guys think that the mining speed increase makes it up for this? Or is a decent reward for this?
I think this is just the "because i say so" bullshit, i mean those changes. Nooen will go mine ice in lowsec. Noone will go mine ore in lowsec. You will not find more miners in null than they are now. Personally, for me the delice of the situation will reach the maximum when some bigmouth hisec players will find their market screwed. Because there will be tears. |
OldWolf69
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Posted - 2013.05.03 02:08:00 -
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Varius Xeral wrote:Crexa wrote:Not that I agree one way or the other. But sometimes you don't need words, Actions can speak louder. And paranoid-delusional interpretations of otherwise benign actions can speak even louder than that, so let's stick with words for now.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocrisy
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OldWolf69
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Posted - 2013.05.03 08:55:00 -
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Udonor wrote:LoanWolf Tivianne wrote:Sizeof Void wrote:Chris Winter wrote:
Right now, mining in WHs is only barely safe by virtue of your opponents needing to get probes out to find you, and an experienced prober can still find you with the probes only being visible on dscan for less than 30 seconds. But that still gives the victim--I mean, miner--a small chance to spot the probes and GTFO before it's too late.
With grav sites being anoms, you have only a few seconds' window to spot the attacker (if their incoming wh is within dscan range, the short period between wh cloak and true cloak), or no window at all. There is no reasonable room for pilots to "practice vigilance" outside of gimping your yield by replacing one of your strip miners with a scan probe launcher. A 50% yield loss makes it a waste of time.
The rest of the changes look good, but mining in WHs will become significantly more dangerous in Odyssey if ore sites become anomalies.
So, mining in WH becomes almost as dangerous as mining in NO high-sec? Don't see the problem... :) yea you probly dont sence you have local how about they take local from null thats a good idea i think ever wh corp and members should put up a post to take local from null Boo Yah. Wh return to original designed purpose and that is NOT mining. Mining and industrial POS in wh were a temporary aberration CCP is finally ready to discourage. Sleepers and gas for T3 is the only secondary aspect of WHs that was meant to be exploited long term. The TRUE purpose of WH's? By navigating a short maze of wh's you get an alternative route for null sec goods to get to hi sec trading centers. One fraught with danger and excitement of small scale fleet battles and solo pirate kills. A lot better than the tedium and deadlock of permanent gate camps and slow expensive jump freighters. Soon any WH POS you see will be primarily a toll booth or pirate base or a misguided attempt to keep part of a certain route open. Unfortunately the long standing problem with raising null sec population and industry nullified most the need for this original purpose. But Odyssey should finally swing the big hammer that forces everyone but noobs out of hi sec. In a few more release we might see the long hinted turn of events where sovereign null sec player alliances are allowed to begin conquering Empire low sec star systems and eating away at the bloated Empire space. Player corps and alliances will eventually replace all but a few size and SP locked noob systems.
so why the ore there? to be mined. and to get you easy target seeking boys easy kills. |
OldWolf69
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Posted - 2013.05.03 11:02:00 -
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[quote=Lady Areola Fappington][quote=Crexa]
Also, it encourages more multiplayer interaction. See my many above posts on how to cartel highsec ice. We want multiplayer interaction in EVE.
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Ofc we want interaction. Beside large walls of text, who wants interaction and why? And exactly how to interact? There will be a miner cartel controling hisec ice? Can't wait to see it. Counterbalancing nullsec cartels? After this patch, nullsec might get his ice himself. Ice harvesting is actually too easy isk? Ofc it is. But beside hypocrite explainations, think a bit why it is how it is. Miners? Miners are how they are. Greedy and limited to their portion of ice/rock to chew, for the most part. They will stay there, and do it mostly because it's EASY. Ofc, the minority of them, wich are the real and addicted rock-chewers, dream of building cartels and empires of ice in hisec. Surprise, gentlemen. There's a lot of boyz just waiting for this attempt. Hiring mercs, like a boss, because easy isk is there? Lol. I will have one of my best moments reading how this will end. James 315, here comes your promised empire. |
OldWolf69
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Posted - 2013.05.04 15:15:00 -
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^ this. |
OldWolf69
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Posted - 2013.05.04 17:09:00 -
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Lurifax wrote:Soko99 wrote:Varius Xeral wrote:Soko99 wrote:No.. but makign mining in the dangerous areas of space, become even more of a turkey shoot. will cause a drop in those spaces being used for mining.. Which in turn will reduce supply, and thus drive prices. And with that you've crossed from the terrible to the ridiculous. Good day. So you seriously don't think that turning grav sites in low/null/WH will cause people to stop mining in them? Considering, that when someone jumps into a system, they still needed to SCAN you down with probes before they could warp to you. Which gave you enough time to align your ships and bounce to a pos/safe/etc. All for a HUGE profit boost of an extra 10 mil an hour? The changes means that ppl mining are now found the same way as you find ppl in forsaken hubs. Ppl are still running does. I do not see ppl stop mining in 0.0 becuase of this. In regards to WH I will not comment on that since I do not know anything about the WH mechanics or how much of the total ore they supply.
Null will handle this. It's about the hisec rock chewers. It's about the fact hisec looses a really big portion of the resource market. It's about the fact ganking could get more profitable then mission running in hisec. And way quicker isk.
Tbh, i doubt that the guy implementing this had even the smallest ideea of the implications. Seeing this happen will bring a lot of good time and joy to some  What i bet on is the fact that all this fun and joy won't be for some expecting to get it, after a time.
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OldWolf69
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Posted - 2013.05.04 17:41:00 -
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Let's do a cloaky alt in your ice anom. And gank the haulers, orcas and whatever. Loot with neutral alts, rinse and repeat. Then extorcate.After a time, go back to ganking. Rinse and repeat.
Miners will sing best gospel and bluegrass ever heard in this world, after a time. And i'm affraid there will be no Abe Lincoln for them. Just a James.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bquVRnGaFHQ
" When Israel was in EgyptGÇÖs land,
Let My people go!
Oppressed so hard they could not stand,
Let My people go!
Refrain:
Go down, Moses,
Way down in EgyptGÇÖs land;
Tell old Pharaoh
To let My people go!
No more shall they in bondage toil,
Let My people go!
Let them come out with EgyptGÇÖs spoil,
Let My people go!
Oh, let us all from bondage flee,
Let My people go!
And let us all in Christ be free,
Let My people go!
You need not always weep and mourn,
Let My people go!
And wear these slavGÇÖry chains forlorn,
Let My people go!
Your foes shall not before you stand,
Let My people go!
And youGÇÖll possess fair CanaanGÇÖs land,
Let My people go!"
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OldWolf69
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Posted - 2013.05.04 18:02:00 -
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Bots are bots. And afk'ers are in no way different. They all bots to me. No matter if they mine, pve or pvp. But i'm really open about my opinion, not like CCP wich's all "they bots if they are not mine". |
OldWolf69
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Posted - 2013.05.04 18:14:00 -
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People won't be ever confortable with getting popped just as easy, no matter the reward. Trying to force them to feel confortable is really stupid. Baiting them won't work either. But you can't explain that to a nerd. |
OldWolf69
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Posted - 2013.05.05 05:53:00 -
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After a lot of written pages, can we agree at least on one thing? There's no real improvements in this patch? |
OldWolf69
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Posted - 2013.05.05 06:02:00 -
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The moon change will improve what? |
OldWolf69
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Posted - 2013.05.05 06:13:00 -
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This not a improvement. This is a change. |
OldWolf69
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Posted - 2013.05.05 11:08:00 -
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Vaju Enki wrote:Cyprus Black wrote:I'm considering sitting this "expansion" out, canceling, and just waiting for the winter expansion.
This one is pretty much a dud as were the previous 3. Odyssey looks amayzing. The 3 previous expansions brought EvE Online to another level, the game is in better shape than ever. What sandbox games needs is constant iteration on existing system, and the last expansions delivered that. Players are the content.
You, sir, need a CCP to point out what should be cool for you.
And if you call that "sandbox", means you let it act like a sandbox. Or it's all "sandbox" when it does what you like, or what is induced to you that should be cool.
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OldWolf69
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Posted - 2013.05.06 12:52:00 -
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http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41%2BB1U9WYjL._SL500_AA300_.jpg
"Every mining attempt, a posibility to capital engagement escalation". Sadly this piece of cheese is rotten. |
OldWolf69
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Posted - 2013.05.10 09:17:00 -
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Vaju Enki wrote:Sassums wrote:Whatever Fozzie is smoking either A isn't enough, or B needs to be shared because to think the risk vs reward by changing the way grav sites are discovered is laughable at best. Making something easier is only something SOE would do (See their SWG disaster).
It makes absolutely no sense for me to be able to instantly warp to a hidden Grav Site within a WH and destroy the folks mining there without as much as a single form of warning. The only warning they have is if someone within the corp or alliance in the WH system happens to scan and see a new signature appear or if the miner happens to D-Scan before the hostile vessel can cloak. Please enlighten me as to how this is risk vs reward?
This is simply huge risk. No Reward. The amount of 200mil + Mining vessels that will be lost hardly makes up for the isk regained from mining. I'm sorry but your logic is severely flawed. If you don't like it, go to highsec.
Rofl, sir. I'm affraid you'll go hisec soon too. If you ever left hisec. Btw industry was viable also before, outside hisec. But legends will be legends forever, in this game. |
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