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slip66	Posted - 2005.09.27 13:15:00 - [31] Edited by: slip66 on 27/09/2005 13:22:39 Originally by: Minmatar Vengance 15-20 dreads? You must be jokeing.. I doubt they will be able to even put up 10 by christmas.. 5-6 dreads I think are about what any alliance will be able to put up. After all, they are not that good, and, the cost of a dread is about the cost of 12-15 battleships.. and 15 BS will own one dread any day of the week. You under estimate those hobbits..... allot
Minmatar Vengance	Posted - 2005.09.27 13:56:00 - [32] Originally by: slip66 You under estimate those hobbits..... allot Realy? I whouldn't know, because theire borders are closed, and they tend to get very mad when I stop to urinate in one of theire astroidbelts where they grow ISK. They are dragging theire big feet around with a huge chain attached. And Darcuese : No. I don't spend any time trying to help n00bs. Why whould I do that? I am trying to get FIVE to ask ASCN for help to crush RA... I don't care about n00bs.. ohh, and, when FIVE is crushed by RA and ASCN wonder why the color of theire neighbour regions change.. I doubt the hobbits will care.. After all, they hate the Five. Have a huge grudge against SA. Don't like the RA. REALY hate NBSI. Want to destroy the north... hmm.. ASCN ain't hobbits.. they are the dark force of Mordor.. Only thing is.. they are harmless and full of hate.. Independant (future) moviemaker... and someones ALT
StiZum Hilidii	Posted - 2005.09.27 13:56:00 - [33] russians started the pos war as it was their only way to stay in 0.0 they are an industrial alliance who use their time zone to be able to construct dozens of supply trips. ra are nothing more than pos lords STAN FACTA NON VERBA HUNTING RUSSIANS ONE SAFESPOT AT A TIME
Lunas Feelgood	Posted - 2005.09.27 14:27:00 - [34] I really Hate hobbits
Haggislander	Posted - 2005.09.27 14:30:00 - [35] Edited by: Haggislander on 27/09/2005 14:30:35 Originally by: Minmatar Vengance Do you think it is easy to get 30 BS's into the same system? I don't.. You're joking right? If an alliance can't do this, they suck Originally by: Minmatar Vengance Or do you think 30 BS whould whoop 6 dreads? Err, if it is only 30 bs versus 6 Dreads, battleships win HANDS DOWN Originally by: Minmatar Vengance or, is it not possible to get 5 dreadpilots + 5 supportships up and running? Immaterail, dreads are not fleet ships now, may never be, up to god (ccp).
Shin Ra	Posted - 2005.09.27 14:32:00 - [36] POS wars absolutly suck. I can't imagine anything more boring, besides mining. I really hope something is done about this.
Virtuozzo	Posted - 2005.09.27 14:33:00 - [37] Originally by: Minmatar Vengance After all, they hate the Five. Have a huge grudge against SA. Don't like the RA. REALY hate NBSI. I'm confused. Since when do we hate NBSI? Granted there's some healthy animosity but since Cartiff no longer sings to us that has cleared up a lot. On the other hand, we don't hate anybody come to think of it. I mean, we've got even a picture hanging at the ***** bar at one of the outposts of Seleene. Oddly enough there's one of chow there as well. Alongside with Zloba and many many others. We're fanatical in our love, not in our hate. I think. /me runs off to nearest shrink now. This thread is sooo confusing. And i take offense at being called "hobbits", I don't even know what that means ^^ Virtuozzo RECRUITMENT TEASERS. Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!"
Nyxus	Posted - 2005.09.27 14:37:00 - [38] After watching a dreadnaught go down to a small fleet in under 43 seconds (timed it) I wonder about the smarts of massing them in one place. As long as you can outblob consistantly you are ok. The SECOND you can't field more numbers than the opponent is when one mistake can cost you 3b+ isk. Or the second they manage to draw your uber fleet off. While a Dread is siege mode does tremendous damage and has good armor, I still think that even a small sized fleet warping in @ 15km and orbiting that dread could kill it in probably under 3 min. I haven't had the oppportunity to try yet, will let you know how that works out :). If so that dread represents a large amount of time and effort to risk. And I have to agree with Chowdown - attacking POS, even smalls, is tremendously boring. You can't even go semi afk as if you get targeted and hit you have to warp out before the next salvo or risk being popped. Nyxus
Argumentative	Posted - 2005.09.27 14:43:00 - [39] Apparently both the Five and BoB already have a sizeable number of dreadnaughts; and the issue is just waiting for enough pilots with the skills to fly them in siege mode.
Hast	Posted - 2005.09.27 14:46:00 - [40] Originally by: Shin Ra POS wars absolutly suck. I can't imagine anything more boring, besides mining. I really hope something is done about this. stop making sense, The last three posts from you I've seen I have agreed with you.
Uinein	Posted - 2005.09.27 14:53:00 - [41] POS in eve has allot in common with its RL acronym Piece of ****
thoth foc	Posted - 2005.09.27 14:57:00 - [42] Edited by: thoth foc on 27/09/2005 14:58:46 Originally by: Hast Originally by: Shin Ra POS wars absolutly suck. I can't imagine anything more boring, besides mining. I really hope something is done about this. stop making sense, The last three posts from you I've seen I have agreed with you. hast is currently saving for his first WCS BPO.. apparently BE dont allow ppl to join without one.. /me snig.gers edit: word filtering ftl :( --thoth [5], ex-Curse Alliance ex-DSMA
Altar Mei	Posted - 2005.09.27 15:32:00 - [43] Though POS wars are boring, equally boring is constant conquerable station flopping that occurred before sovernty. I think as we see more capable dread pilots who are able to properly tank things may get much more interesting... also there's a possibility that dreads came in pre-nerfered like the stealth bombers.
Dianabolic	Posted - 2005.09.27 15:45:00 - [44] Dreads need a damage boost, for the cost of them and the MASSIVE effort of moving them it is absolutely pathetic that they cannot destroy pos in a reasonable time. 3b of dread against 300m of pos = pos win. Until CCP make it viable for a dread to win, no one will use htem in the way they were intended and eve will stagnate, imo.
Chowdown	Posted - 2005.09.27 15:52:00 - [45] Originally by: Dianabolic Dreads need a damage boost, for the cost of them and the MASSIVE effort of moving them it is absolutely pathetic that they cannot destroy pos in a reasonable time. 3b of dread against 300m of pos = pos win. Until CCP make it viable for a dread to win, no one will use htem in the way they were intended and eve will stagnate, imo. Signed,Signed and er signed again.
Adhamhnon	Posted - 2005.09.27 16:03:00 - [46] Originally by: Minmatar Vengance Hello again. I have just been takeing a look around the world of EVE, and I have to say, for a dread-pilot, I don't think I have ever seen such a target rich enviorment as there are in Immensea atm. There are 10+ small POS towers with only a few guns in several systems. Ofcuz I didn't 'visit' them to see who got the most, but, someone better start breaking out the DREADS soon, or the war in Immensea will be won by the faction claiming the most moons, and flying the best haulers. FIVE are not backing up Shinra, and the Shinra sponsored corps are looseing theire pilots to the battlehardend RA pilots left and right. There are no peace in the south, and the people that live down there, better start makeing deals with the Red Army, because they are there to stay it seems. FIVE seems to be isolated in this battle as the hobbits are digging veldspar and buying quaffe in LONEtreck, and not helping theire 'allies' secure the areas outside theire doorstep. I think if we're gonna compare people in EVE to LotR characters, based on your posts, you would be the Grima Wormtongue of EVE.
Elenia Kheynes	Posted - 2005.09.27 16:14:00 - [47] Originally by: Dianabolic Dreads need a damage boost, for the cost of them and the MASSIVE effort of moving them it is absolutely pathetic that they cannot destroy pos in a reasonable time. 3b of dread against 300m of pos = pos win. Until CCP make it viable for a dread to win, no one will use htem in the way they were intended and eve will stagnate, imo. A POS is a constant work for people living around it. They need to feed it the impressive amount of components and ice minerals it requires. This amount is even bigger if the POS is well protected. A dreadnough should not be the big flashy "WIN" button against POSs. And... afaik it takes 30 minutes to a dread + 18 BSs to put a small POS in reinforced mode. Not a decent amount of time heh ? Dear friendly customer... Can I have your money ?
Kcel Chim	Posted - 2005.09.27 16:14:00 - [48] Originally by: Adhamhnon I think if we're gonna compare people in EVE to LotR characters, based on your posts, you would be the Grima Wormtongue of EVE. QFT btw stop the altpost already everyone can read youre neither neutral nor have a grip on reality by making statements such as "doubt they can afford 10 dreads by christmas". Thats what, 40 bln isk ? I know players who have that amount of money in their own accounts not even speaking corp or alliancewide ressources. As for the dreads, they are currently more a prestige and siege item, since their stats are totally inadequate for close combat or larger battles. On the otherhand a dread can with enough support most likely turn the tide in an equal (playernumbers) longrange battle if it is deployed smart and it can atleast theoretically atm turn the tide in pos wars.
The Enslaver	Posted - 2005.09.27 16:22:00 - [49] Originally by: Elenia Kheynes A POS is a constant work for people living around it. They need to feed it the impressive amount of components and ice minerals it requires. This amount is even bigger if the POS is well protected. A dreadnough should not be the big flashy "WIN" button against POSs. And... afaik it takes 30 minutes to a dread + 18 BSs to put a small POS in reinforced mode. Not a decent amount of time heh ? Olyyy, 10 small POS's can be run with 1 indy per day. Overall cost for a small POS comes to about what, 40m... Nothing. And it takes 1 hour for a dread and 18 BS's to put a small POS into reinforced. Too long for something that can be fueled for 10 days with one indy (not to mention use of freighters), and can kill BS's in a few shots. Tbh though, the issue isn't with how long it takes to kill a POS, the issue is that they are far too cheap to buy and maintain. -------- FireFoxx80: If you think you can do a better job, go find yourself a datacentre to host a box, get a copy of Visual Studio, and STFU.
Tad Ghostal	Posted - 2005.09.27 16:23:00 - [50] Originally by: Shin Ra POS wars absolutly suck. I can't imagine anything more boring, besides mining. I really hope something is done about this. I 110% agree, I would rather castrate myself with a teaspoon than shoot pos/station.
nitr0s	Posted - 2005.09.27 16:31:00 - [51] Originally by: Elenia Kheynes Originally by: Dianabolic Dreads need a damage boost, for the cost of them and the MASSIVE effort of moving them it is absolutely pathetic that they cannot destroy pos in a reasonable time. 3b of dread against 300m of pos = pos win. Until CCP make it viable for a dread to win, no one will use htem in the way they were intended and eve will stagnate, imo. A POS is a constant work for people living around it. They need to feed it the impressive amount of components and ice minerals it requires. This amount is even bigger if the POS is well protected. A dreadnough should not be the big flashy "WIN" button against POSs. And... afaik it takes 30 minutes to a dread + 18 BSs to put a small POS in reinforced mode. Not a decent amount of time heh ? Hehe, spoken like a true clueless individual. A Small pos is mabye 50M including fuel. Dreads take fuel and dare I say WAY more logistics to even move. In their current state they are an absolute joke. CCP prenerfed them, thats a fact. It's their new way of doing things because they are too lazy to test things properly and like to toss in their subscription carrots for us poor fools to drool over. ghey
Dianabolic	Posted - 2005.09.27 16:42:00 - [52] Originally by: Elenia Kheynes A POS is a constant work for people living around it. They need to feed it the impressive amount of components and ice minerals it requires. This amount is even bigger if the POS is well protected. A dreadnough should not be the big flashy "WIN" button against POSs. And... afaik it takes 30 minutes to a dread + 18 BSs to put a small POS in reinforced mode. Not a decent amount of time heh ? A dread is 2 weeks of just BUILD time, at a cost of 2b+ if u get cheap mins. A dread requires a fleet of indy's to move it, perhaps even freighters if u lucky with the staging point. A dread requires an escort of at least 30 people in any reasonably competent alliances' space. A dread takes 15 minutes to jump, it would take about a WEEK to move the damn thing (assuming not 23/7 game play for all 31 pilots) from Agil to the ass end of 0.0, fethyabolis for example, and, when it gets there, without NPC stations or the ability to dock a freighter, escorted industrial runs through about 50+ jumps of hostile territory with Isotopes, ammo and other consumeables to keep it running and attacking the 15+ pos's that any defensively minded alliance would have running at their outpost / pcs station systems. Don't try and justify the work load of a POS to negate the ability of a Dread, something that is DESIGNED to DESTROY a POS, to do what it is DESIGNED to do. They need boosting. I'm quite happy for them to SUCK at killing battleships, but in siege mode any one dread should be able to tank the damage from even the baddest ass POS. It SHOULD take a fleet to SUPPORT the POS to destroy a Dread that is in siege mode. They SHOULD be an "I win" button against pos, they should NOT be an "I win" button against pos AND a fleet.
Omeega	Posted - 2005.09.27 16:45:00 - [53] Edited by: Omeega on 27/09/2005 16:45:57 why not just abandon the sovreignity thing then? and do it like we allways did, overkill a station and wait for the enemy fleet. Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
Dianabolic	Posted - 2005.09.27 17:18:00 - [54] Originally by: Omeega Edited by: Omeega on 27/09/2005 16:45:57 why not just abandon the sovreignity thing then? and do it like we allways did, overkill a station and wait for the enemy fleet. Because that doesn't stop people playing timezone wars, which are just as bad, if not worse.
Elenia Kheynes	Posted - 2005.09.27 18:27:00 - [55] Originally by: Dianabolic [...] A dreadnough is designed to kill POSs, yes. But your negation of people's hard work is worrying. If dreadnoughs are unerfed the way you want, then it's gonna simply be rampage in 0.0 of the alliance with the most dreadnoughs and the biggest fleet. You atm. I consider hard work behind a POS (a large one) should provide some advantages such as a relative safety (not absolute). Hard work and dedication should not be crushed easely by the first strike team. I think a relative safety of VERY well defended POSs would also bring more people in 0.0 (i think this relative safety currently exists) I'd like to remind you also of one of the biggest current POS weakness: you can't have them focusing fire. A shame isn't it ? It means that any POS can be destroyed if you put the right amount of dreads on it. Logistic behind is hard ? Of course it is. Well used dreads are extremly powerful weapons against POSs. Do the maths about tanking capability of a dread in siege mode: it's impressive. Enslaver => perhaps raising cost of small CTs to 50M and med one to 75M could be a good start ? I'm not against the principle of POS war tbh, it's a war in which the most dedicated side has a chance to win. Dedication is something I like, it makes you think twice before starting a war, it also gives a slight advantage to alliances with a decent industrial backbone (= isk). Maintaining dedication could also be interesting. I like when people fight for a little more than just fun (RP wise of course) Dear friendly customer... Can I have your money ?
nitr0s	Posted - 2005.09.27 18:39:00 - [56] Originally by: Elenia Kheynes Originally by: Dianabolic [...] A dreadnough is designed to kill POSs, yes. But your negation of people's hard work is worrying. If dreadnoughs are unerfed the way you want, then it's gonna simply be rampage in 0.0 of the alliance with the most dreadnoughs and the biggest fleet. You atm. I consider hard work behind a POS (a large one) should provide some advantages such as a relative safety (not absolute). Hard work and dedication should not be crushed easely by the first strike team. I think a relative safety of VERY well defended POSs would also bring more people in 0.0 (i think this relative safety currently exists) I'd like to remind you also of one of the biggest current POS weakness: you can't have them focusing fire. A shame isn't it ? It means that any POS can be destroyed if you put the right amount of dreads on it. Logistic behind is hard ? Of course it is. Well used dreads are extremly powerful weapons against POSs. Do the maths about tanking capability of a dread in siege mode: it's impressive. Enslaver => perhaps raising cost of small CTs to 50M and med one to 75M could be a good start ? I'm not against the principle of POS war tbh, it's a war in which the most dedicated side has a chance to win. Dedication is something I like, it makes you think twice before starting a war, it also gives a slight advantage to alliances with a decent industrial backbone (= isk). Maintaining dedication could also be interesting. I like when people fight for a little more than just fun (RP wise of course) I can tell by your post you've never flown a dread or been part of a team that did.
Elenia Kheynes	Posted - 2005.09.27 18:51:00 - [57] Edited by: Elenia Kheynes on 27/09/2005 18:53:38 I haven't flown one yet. But I'm planning to and I've made my maths behind^^ And I'm also pretty far from being clueless on POSs topic, epsecially POSs under attack ;p edit: and I don't have lessons to get from a science and trade Institute member ? Dear friendly customer... Can I have your money ?
Dianabolic	Posted - 2005.09.27 19:09:00 - [58] Originally by: Elenia KheynesHard work and dedication should not be crushed easely by the first strike team. I think a relative safety of VERY well defended POSs would also bring more people in 0.0 (i think this relative safety currently exists)[/quote olyyy, if there is a fleet to defend the pos, it WILL provide ABSOLUTE safety. And, if you think BoB have the largest fleet in-game, you're not keeping good intel.
Elenia Kheynes	Posted - 2005.09.27 19:22:00 - [59] yep, I'm mistaking, it's Imperium who got the biggest fleet o.- A fleet to defend is an ideal case, any fleet got to log and get some sleep or fleet can be busy elsewhere in the universe. I think you call this "timzone war" ? Dear friendly customer... Can I have your money ?
Elve Sorrow	Posted - 2005.09.27 19:32:00 - [60] Originally by: Minmatar Vengance Given enough players join, and they all buy thoraxes + drones + blasters.. and you warp in 400 of them (about the cost of a dread) and release 3-4000 ogres on a small POS, it will crumble.. but you will take some losses. The same 400 thoraxes whould totaly destroy 10 dreads to I guess.. No, that would get you and the 400 Thorax' a ban actually. Its an exploit.

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