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Minmatar Vengance
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Posted - 2005.09.27 09:40:00 -
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Hello again.
I have just been takeing a look around the world of EVE, and I have to say, for a dread-pilot, I don't think I have ever seen such a target rich enviorment as there are in Immensea atm.
There are 10+ small POS towers with only a few guns in several systems. Ofcuz I didn't 'visit' them to see who got the most, but, someone better start breaking out the DREADS soon, or the war in Immensea will be won by the faction claiming the most moons, and flying the best haulers.
FIVE are not backing up Shinra, and the Shinra sponsored corps are looseing theire pilots to the battlehardend RA pilots left and right.
There are no peace in the south, and the people that live down there, better start makeing deals with the Red Army, because they are there to stay it seems.
FIVE seems to be isolated in this battle as the hobbits are digging veldspar and buying quaffe in LONEtreck, and not helping theire 'allies' secure the areas outside theire doorstep.
Independant (future) moviemaker...
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Omeega
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Posted - 2005.09.27 09:44:00 -
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we ♥ POS
Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
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Chowdown
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Posted - 2005.09.27 09:49:00 -
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The POS wars have started, and my aren't they fun.
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Heinky
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Posted - 2005.09.27 10:15:00 -
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Is this pos war going on so people can see their name in the top left corner ? or are their conq in the systems ?
Btw: why waste energy and time on putting up and fuel all those pos,s instead of taking enemy pos,s down ?
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Chowdown
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Posted - 2005.09.27 10:16:00 -
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 Originally by: Heinky
Is this pos war going on so people can see their name in the top left corner ? or are their conq in the systems ?
Btw: why waste energy and time on putting up and fuel all those pos,s instead of taking enemy pos,s down ?
Cause putting up POS is so bloody easy, there cheap as chips and take forever to destroy.
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Omeega
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Posted - 2005.09.27 10:18:00 -
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Originally by: Chowdown
The POS wars have started, and my aren't they fun.
The POS war started long ago before immensea, look at cache... everyone is scared to warp at moons now, you never know what you can find.
Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
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Minmatar Vengance
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Posted - 2005.09.27 10:25:00 -
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Edited by: Minmatar Vengance on 27/09/2005 10:27:22
I am to looking forward to the POS Wars.
Espesially the FRAPS.
Anyway, I have seen POS's with 4 small arties and a warpscrambler.. A squad of dreads should have litte problems killing off that?
Independant (future) moviemaker...
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Seleene
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Posted - 2005.09.27 10:27:00 -
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Edited by: Seleene on 27/09/2005 10:31:18
Originally by: Minmatar Vengance
FIVE seems to be isolated in this battle as the hobbits are digging veldspar and buying quaffe in LONEtreck, and not helping theire 'allies' secure the areas outside theire doorstep.
"Sneaky little hobbitses. Wicked, tricksy, false!"
Every time you talk about ASCN like this, I have to giggle. I honestly don't know if they even see it as an insult. I doubt it.
Yeesss, my preciousss! They have been working on thier Outposts! Shtoopid fat little hobbitses!!"
EDIT - I do enjoy your posts, BTW. 
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Elenia Kheynes
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Posted - 2005.09.27 10:29:00 -
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Minmatar Vengeance should have noticed a sizable ATUK fleet in Detorid before posting 
I wonder if they're gonna move to Immensea after switching station ownership from Arcane Technologies to Arcane Technologies Origin
Dear friendly customer... Can I have your money ?
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Waagaa Ktlehr
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Posted - 2005.09.27 10:31:00 -
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Edited by: Waagaa Ktlehr on 27/09/2005 10:31:20
Originally by: Seleene
Originally by: Minmatar Vengance
FIVE seems to be isolated in this battle as the hobbits are digging veldspar and buying quaffe in LONEtreck, and not helping theire 'allies' secure the areas outside theire doorstep.
"Sneaky little hobbitses. Wicked, tricksy, false!"
Every time you talk about ASCN like this, I have to giggle. I honestly don't know if they even see it as an insult. I doubt it.
Yeesss, my preciousss! They have been working on thier Outposts! Shtoopid fat little hobbitses!!"
Just watch out, attack the hobbit homeland and we will send out a 2-man gank squad to burn your precious ring to ashes in the big bad gap that was once the New Eden Wormhole!
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Heinky
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Posted - 2005.09.27 10:33:00 -
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Originally by: Minmatar Vengance
Hello again.
FIVE are not backing up Shinra, and the Shinra sponsored corps are looseing theire pilots to the battlehardend RA pilots left and right.
Maybe they dont need help ? But ill bet rat are getting alot of kills on shinra, even killing the same guy in same ship many times same day.
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Omeega
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Posted - 2005.09.27 10:34:00 -
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Edited by: Omeega on 27/09/2005 10:33:57
I will never shoot on waagaa imho 
Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
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Hassis
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Posted - 2005.09.27 10:36:00 -
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imho CLS should petition GMs to rename Feithabolis -> Shir ;)
we will come to you and drink in your honour at your outpost
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Minmatar Vengance
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Posted - 2005.09.27 10:43:00 -
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Originally by: Seleene
Every time you talk about ASCN like this, I have to giggle. I honestly don't know if they even see it as an insult. I doubt it.
Yeesss, my preciousss! They have been working on thier Outposts! Shtoopid fat little hobbitses!!"
It is in no way an insult. It is just very describeing.
Fact : ASCN are not leaveing theire PRECIOUSSSS feyth / impass. They don't care if SE or SA is theire neighbour, as long as they can shoot Sansha-rats. They don't care if it is FIVE or RA that controll Immensea / Tenerifies.
Basicly, they just want to sit around, building stuff. They are the first 0.0 carebears. And I find that Hobbits are the perfect 'picture' of that.
Hobbits are shy, and don't like other people , and keep to themselfs, in theire Shire.. Well, Impass and Feythabolis might aswell be the shire, because it is in the middle of nowhere. NOONE have thiere empire that far from 'people' (as in , empire). They seldomly leave theire 'shire', and when they do, it is to go far-far across the mountains (empire) and into Mordor (Evil empire of the north). But, it is only a few of them leaveing up north.. Most stay back, to grow stuff.
ASCN are very much like the last alliance they had still, Xetic.
Independant (future) moviemaker...
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Seleene
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Posted - 2005.09.27 10:54:00 -
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Edited by: Seleene on 27/09/2005 10:59:19
Oh, I didn't think you were actually trying to insult them. I think it's funny because I happen to agree with a lot of it.
They very well may not give a damn if Lucifer himself is living next door. I'd be wiling to wager that if Cyvok could figure out a way to cut off gate access from ASCN to Empire space for a couple months, he'd do it. The longer ASCN is left alone out in Feyth, the more entrenched they become.
It's debatable what the smarter play is. ASCN is building a fortress down there. In another couple of months, I imagine they'll have a fat Hobbity fleet of 15-20 Dreads and another four or five outposts to park them in as well.  
EDIT - Bear in mind that the mentality behind ASCN comes from them leaving behind an alliance they got fed up with because XETIC was everyone's punching bag. ASCN is pretty much the opposite. If nothing else, the members of ASCN are fanatical about being members of ASCN. They have pride. The majority of XETIC really didn't.
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Minmatar Vengance
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Posted - 2005.09.27 11:16:00 -
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Originally by: Elenia Kheynes
Minmatar Vengeance should have noticed a sizable ATUK fleet in Detorid before posting
I wonder if they're gonna move to Immensea after switching station ownership from Arcane Technologies to Arcane Technologies Origin
No.. I did not see them, since I always write posts when on work :)
Anyway, a blob do not help. Blobs are useless in the long-run. Only a constant pressence will help, and, FIVE don't have that. RA does.
After all, it is only a mather of pride realy. All the FIVE will have to do is send an offical request to the masterhobbit, have him set RA and RAT. to -10. When the hobbits learn that there is free food in immensea, there will come 1 gross (144) hungry hobbits with tech2 guns...
then again..
maybee the Hobbits just want the FIVE to die.. After all.. they ain't five no more, but soon, they might be the Nine, and, well, everyone knows hobbits don't like the Nine.
Independant (future) moviemaker...
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Minmatar Vengance
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Posted - 2005.09.27 11:24:00 -
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Originally by: Seleene
It's debatable what the smarter play is. ASCN is building a fortress down there. In another couple of months, I imagine they'll have a fat Hobbity fleet of 15-20 Dreads and another four or five outposts to park them in as well.
15-20 dreads? You must be jokeing..
I doubt they will be able to even put up 10 by christmas..
5-6 dreads I think are about what any alliance will be able to put up. After all, they are not that good, and, the cost of a dread is about the cost of 12-15 battleships.. and 15 BS will own one dread any day of the week.
Independant (future) moviemaker...
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Trooper B99
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Posted - 2005.09.27 11:35:00 -
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Originally by: Minmatar Vengance
15-20 dreads? You must be jokeing..
I doubt they will be able to even put up 10 by christmas..
5-6 dreads I think are about what any alliance will be able to put up. After all, they are not that good, and, the cost of a dread is about the cost of 12-15 battleships.. and 15 BS will own one dread any day of the week.
Well, considering the apparent plans ASCN and indeed other alliances have (not only for capitol ships, but outposts), it's not a joke and is highly feasible. Whether or not they perform well in fleet combat has only been tested once so far to my knowledge and it's not good to make complete assumptions from that one Dread loss. Me, I'll wait and see as they become more commonly used as the number of competant dreads pilots isn't exactly high atm.
As with everything its how the FC commands a mixed fleet with Dreads, BS and support used to full effectiveness.
Wirykomi Team Racer - COLOSSUS Championships Year 106
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Seleene
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Posted - 2005.09.27 11:38:00 -
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Edited by: Seleene on 27/09/2005 11:41:19
I like you but...
Originally by: Minmatar Vengance
Originally by: Seleene
It's debatable what the smarter play is. ASCN is building a fortress down there. In another couple of months, I imagine they'll have a fat Hobbity fleet of 15-20 Dreads and another four or five outposts to park them in as well.
15-20 dreads? You must be jokeing..
I wish I was. No joke.
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I doubt they will be able to even put up 10 by christmas..
That would make you wrong. Fire your Intel chief.
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5-6 dreads I think are about what any alliance will be able to put up.
The MC alone will likely field twice that number by the new year.
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After all, they are not that good, and, the cost of a dread is about the cost of 12-15 battleships.. and 15 BS will own one dread any day of the week.
What if those 15 BS run into two or three Dreads that then enter Siege Mode? Ever seen that? It gets ugly. Fast.
I don't mean to be an ASCN cheerleeder; they still have us set to -9.0 because we kill people to feed our children. Death to ASCN and all that, ya know? I just think you're being a tad dismissive of what's going on in their neck of the woods.
EDIT - I swear either Trooper is stalking me or has the most uncanny knack to read the same threads I do at the exact same time of day!
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Trooper B99
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Posted - 2005.09.27 11:53:00 -
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Originally by: Seleene
EDIT - I swear either Trooper is stalking me or has the most uncanny knack to read the same threads I do at the exact same time of day!
errr . . . umm . . . . .*Troop runs away with his stalk-o-maticÖ camera*
Wirykomi Team Racer - COLOSSUS Championships Year 106
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2005.09.27 12:10:00 -
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Originally by: Seleene
If nothing else, the members of ASCN are fanatical about being members of ASCN. They have pride. The majority of XETIC really didn't.
pride ftw \o/
...and about being fanatic: I must say that I'm not that fanatic.. unless you count to sacrifice your first male born to CYVOK and give away your first female born to 5P brod.. erm.. TEMPLE to be taught in the ways of the ASCN priestessess... wich I belive 99.99999999999% of the alliance members are willing to sacrifice.
...but that's not fanatic.
....is it?
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Minmatar Vengance
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Posted - 2005.09.27 12:15:00 -
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Edited by: Minmatar Vengance on 27/09/2005 12:23:54
Selene : 15 BS vs 3 dreads will be a massacre.
good for dreads : 5 dread pilots give the firepower of aboutish 25-30+ battleships.. and we all know, how hard it is to get 50 BS pilots in the same place.
However, 10 eve-addicts in the same timezone with dreads should be doable.
Independant (future) moviemaker...
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Erzengal
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Posted - 2005.09.27 12:44:00 -
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Edited by: Erzengal on 27/09/2005 12:46:06
Shire.... tempting... but I think we are going for "Ascenia". :)
Carebears with Claws, so maybe...
Hobbits with... uhmm...Possibly Dangerous, Furry Feet?...
Nah...
Hobbits with Guns, hmm maybe.
Dreads, more outposts, fah! those are way too easy to build and far too unreliable....
Current plans on are something greater..
This
We feel this will be an amazing new feat... Construction of a New Gate, which we have named: "The Tada-O Gate". Our hopes are that this new Gate will transport us to a vast, rich new area of space.
This project, our engineers have fully assured us, carries no risk whatsoever of any possiblity of opening a portal to a hellish space filled with evil, giant, demonic fish, who thrive on destruction and death.... none whatsoever... I mean, who would?
If you are sitting with a "huh?" look on your face... you prolly didn't play EnB.
*goes back to his tending his "Special Hobbit Plants" in his concord-free system*
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Seleene
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Posted - 2005.09.27 12:47:00 -
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Originally by: Erzengal
This project, our engineers have fully assured us, carries no risk whatsoever of any possiblity of opening a portal to a hellish space filled with evil, giant, demonic fish, who thrive on destruction and death.... none whatsoever...
LOL!!! I have no idea what you are talking about. Never played that game. Honest. 
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nitr0s
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Posted - 2005.09.27 12:50:00 -
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Originally by: Minmatar Vengance
Edited by: Minmatar Vengance on 27/09/2005 12:23:54
Selene : 15 BS vs 3 dreads will be a massacre.
good for dreads : 5 dread pilots give the firepower of aboutish 25-30+ battleships.. and we all know, how hard it is to get 50 BS pilots in the same place.
However, 10 eve-addicts in the same timezone with dreads should be doable.
Hi, you have no clue.
That is all.
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Bbllaarrgg
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Posted - 2005.09.27 12:56:00 -
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/emote gets out his hobbit brand smokin' weed, mmmmmmm that sure tastes goooood.
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Weebear
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Posted - 2005.09.27 13:03:00 -
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Originally by: Erzengal
We feel this will be an amazing new feat... Construction of a New Gate, which we have named: "The Tada-O Gate". Our hopes are that this new Gate will transport us to a vast, rich new area of space.
This project, our engineers have fully assured us, carries no risk whatsoever of any possiblity of opening a portal to a hellish space filled with evil, giant, demonic fish, who thrive on destruction and death.... none whatsoever... I mean, who would?
Will there be Tech 9 ores and weapons in this new space Brother Erzenal.
The only other fishy things in this thread are the original poster fishing for facts rather than fiction, and Seleene's subscription to the CEO blogs. |
Minmatar Vengance
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Posted - 2005.09.27 13:11:00 -
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Originally by: nitr0s
Hi, you have no clue.
That is all.
Enlighten me then buddy...
Do you think it is easy to get 30 BS's into the same system? I don't..
Or do you think 30 BS whould whoop 6 dreads?
or, is it not possible to get 5 dreadpilots + 5 supportships up and running?
Independant (future) moviemaker...
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Darcuese
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Posted - 2005.09.27 13:12:00 -
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Edited by: Darcuese on 27/09/2005 13:12:41
Oh Vengeance....do you read any forum other then this regarding alliances?. I mean if you are so neutral as you say.
Why dont you go every Now and then help some newbee player with his dilema.
Argghh...I hate this talk between lines....Fog sellers
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Goberth Ludwig
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Posted - 2005.09.27 13:14:00 -
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wheres my veldsparrrr
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slip66
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Posted - 2005.09.27 13:15:00 -
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Edited by: slip66 on 27/09/2005 13:22:39
Originally by: Minmatar Vengance
15-20 dreads? You must be jokeing..
I doubt they will be able to even put up 10 by christmas..
5-6 dreads I think are about what any alliance will be able to put up. After all, they are not that good, and, the cost of a dread is about the cost of 12-15 battleships.. and 15 BS will own one dread any day of the week.
You under estimate those hobbits..... allot
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Minmatar Vengance
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Posted - 2005.09.27 13:56:00 -
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Originally by: slip66
You under estimate those hobbits..... allot
Realy? I whouldn't know, because theire borders are closed, and they tend to get very mad when I stop to urinate in one of theire astroidbelts where they grow ISK. They are dragging theire big feet around with a huge chain attached.
And
Darcuese : No. I don't spend any time trying to help n00bs. Why whould I do that? I am trying to get FIVE to ask ASCN for help to crush RA... I don't care about n00bs..
ohh, and, when FIVE is crushed by RA and ASCN wonder why the color of theire neighbour regions change.. I doubt the hobbits will care.. After all, they hate the Five. Have a huge grudge against SA. Don't like the RA. REALY hate NBSI. Want to destroy the north...
hmm..
ASCN ain't hobbits.. they are the dark force of Mordor..
Only thing is.. they are harmless and full of hate..
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StiZum Hilidii
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Posted - 2005.09.27 13:56:00 -
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russians started the pos war as it was their only way to stay in 0.0 they are an industrial alliance who use their time zone to be able to construct dozens of supply trips.
ra are nothing more than pos lords
STAN
FACTA NON VERBA
HUNTING RUSSIANS ONE SAFESPOT AT A TIME |
Lunas Feelgood
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Posted - 2005.09.27 14:27:00 -
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I really Hate hobbits
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Haggislander
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Posted - 2005.09.27 14:30:00 -
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Edited by: Haggislander on 27/09/2005 14:30:35
Originally by: Minmatar Vengance
Do you think it is easy to get 30 BS's into the same system? I don't..
You're joking right? If an alliance can't do this, they suck
Originally by: Minmatar Vengance
Or do you think 30 BS whould whoop 6 dreads?
Err, if it is only 30 bs versus 6 Dreads, battleships win HANDS DOWN
Originally by: Minmatar Vengance
or, is it not possible to get 5 dreadpilots + 5 supportships up and running?
Immaterail, dreads are not fleet ships now, may never be, up to god (ccp).
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Shin Ra
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Posted - 2005.09.27 14:32:00 -
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POS wars absolutly suck. I can't imagine anything more boring, besides mining. I really hope something is done about this.
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Virtuozzo
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Posted - 2005.09.27 14:33:00 -
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Originally by: Minmatar Vengance
After all, they hate the Five. Have a huge grudge against SA. Don't like the RA. REALY hate NBSI.
I'm confused. Since when do we hate NBSI? Granted there's some healthy animosity but since Cartiff no longer sings to us that has cleared up a lot. On the other hand, we don't hate anybody come to think of it. I mean, we've got even a picture hanging at the ***** bar at one of the outposts of Seleene. Oddly enough there's one of chow there as well. Alongside with Zloba and many many others.
We're fanatical in our love, not in our hate. I think.
/me runs off to nearest shrink now. This thread is sooo confusing. And i take offense at being called "hobbits", I don't even know what that means ^^
Virtuozzo
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Nyxus
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Posted - 2005.09.27 14:37:00 -
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After watching a dreadnaught go down to a small fleet in under 43 seconds (timed it) I wonder about the smarts of massing them in one place.
As long as you can outblob consistantly you are ok. The SECOND you can't field more numbers than the opponent is when one mistake can cost you 3b+ isk. Or the second they manage to draw your uber fleet off.
While a Dread is siege mode does tremendous damage and has good armor, I still think that even a small sized fleet warping in @ 15km and orbiting that dread could kill it in probably under 3 min. I haven't had the oppportunity to try yet, will let you know how that works out :). If so that dread represents a large amount of time and effort to risk.
And I have to agree with Chowdown - attacking POS, even smalls, is tremendously boring. You can't even go semi afk as if you get targeted and hit you have to warp out before the next salvo or risk being popped.
Nyxus
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Argumentative
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Posted - 2005.09.27 14:43:00 -
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Apparently both the Five and BoB already have a sizeable number of dreadnaughts; and the issue is just waiting for enough pilots with the skills to fly them in siege mode.
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Hast
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Posted - 2005.09.27 14:46:00 -
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Originally by: Shin Ra
POS wars absolutly suck. I can't imagine anything more boring, besides mining. I really hope something is done about this.
stop making sense, The last three posts from you I've seen I have agreed with you. 
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Uinein
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Posted - 2005.09.27 14:53:00 -
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POS in eve has allot in common with its RL acronym Piece of ****
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thoth foc
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Posted - 2005.09.27 14:57:00 -
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Edited by: thoth foc on 27/09/2005 14:58:46
Originally by: Hast
Originally by: Shin Ra
POS wars absolutly suck. I can't imagine anything more boring, besides mining. I really hope something is done about this.
stop making sense, The last three posts from you I've seen I have agreed with you.
hast is currently saving for his first WCS BPO.. apparently BE dont allow ppl to join without one..
/me snig.gers
edit: word filtering ftl :(
--thoth
[5],
ex-Curse Alliance
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Altar Mei
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Posted - 2005.09.27 15:32:00 -
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Though POS wars are boring, equally boring is constant conquerable station flopping that occurred before sovernty. I think as we see more capable dread pilots who are able to properly tank things may get much more interesting... also there's a possibility that dreads came in pre-nerfered like the stealth bombers.
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2005.09.27 15:45:00 -
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Dreads need a damage boost, for the cost of them and the MASSIVE effort of moving them it is absolutely pathetic that they cannot destroy pos in a reasonable time.
3b of dread against 300m of pos = pos win.
Until CCP make it viable for a dread to win, no one will use htem in the way they were intended and eve will stagnate, imo.
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Chowdown
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Posted - 2005.09.27 15:52:00 -
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Originally by: Dianabolic
Dreads need a damage boost, for the cost of them and the MASSIVE effort of moving them it is absolutely pathetic that they cannot destroy pos in a reasonable time.
3b of dread against 300m of pos = pos win.
Until CCP make it viable for a dread to win, no one will use htem in the way they were intended and eve will stagnate, imo.
Signed,Signed and er signed again.
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Adhamhnon
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Posted - 2005.09.27 16:03:00 -
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Originally by: Minmatar Vengance
Hello again.
I have just been takeing a look around the world of EVE, and I have to say, for a dread-pilot, I don't think I have ever seen such a target rich enviorment as there are in Immensea atm.
There are 10+ small POS towers with only a few guns in several systems. Ofcuz I didn't 'visit' them to see who got the most, but, someone better start breaking out the DREADS soon, or the war in Immensea will be won by the faction claiming the most moons, and flying the best haulers.
FIVE are not backing up Shinra, and the Shinra sponsored corps are looseing theire pilots to the battlehardend RA pilots left and right.
There are no peace in the south, and the people that live down there, better start makeing deals with the Red Army, because they are there to stay it seems.
FIVE seems to be isolated in this battle as the hobbits are digging veldspar and buying quaffe in LONEtreck, and not helping theire 'allies' secure the areas outside theire doorstep.
I think if we're gonna compare people in EVE to LotR characters, based on your posts, you would be the Grima Wormtongue of EVE.
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Elenia Kheynes
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Posted - 2005.09.27 16:14:00 -
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Originally by: Dianabolic
Dreads need a damage boost, for the cost of them and the MASSIVE effort of moving them it is absolutely pathetic that they cannot destroy pos in a reasonable time.
3b of dread against 300m of pos = pos win.
Until CCP make it viable for a dread to win, no one will use htem in the way they were intended and eve will stagnate, imo.
A POS is a constant work for people living around it. They need to feed it the impressive amount of components and ice minerals it requires. This amount is even bigger if the POS is well protected.
A dreadnough should not be the big flashy "WIN" button against POSs.
And... afaik it takes 30 minutes to a dread + 18 BSs to put a small POS in reinforced mode. Not a decent amount of time heh ?
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Kcel Chim
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Posted - 2005.09.27 16:14:00 -
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Originally by: Adhamhnon
I think if we're gonna compare people in EVE to LotR characters, based on your posts, you would be the Grima Wormtongue of EVE.
QFT
btw stop the altpost already everyone can read youre neither neutral nor have a grip on reality by making statements such as "doubt they can afford 10 dreads by christmas".
Thats what, 40 bln isk ? I know players who have that amount of money in their own accounts not even speaking corp or alliancewide ressources.
As for the dreads, they are currently more a prestige and siege item, since their stats are totally inadequate for close combat or larger battles. On the otherhand a dread can with enough support most likely turn the tide in an equal (playernumbers) longrange battle if it is deployed smart and it can atleast theoretically atm turn the tide in pos wars.
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The Enslaver
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Posted - 2005.09.27 16:22:00 -
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Originally by: Elenia Kheynes
A POS is a constant work for people living around it. They need to feed it the impressive amount of components and ice minerals it requires. This amount is even bigger if the POS is well protected.
A dreadnough should not be the big flashy "WIN" button against POSs.
And... afaik it takes 30 minutes to a dread + 18 BSs to put a small POS in reinforced mode. Not a decent amount of time heh ?
Olyyy,
10 small POS's can be run with 1 indy per day. Overall cost for a small POS comes to about what, 40m... Nothing.
And it takes 1 hour for a dread and 18 BS's to put a small POS into reinforced. Too long for something that can be fueled for 10 days with one indy (not to mention use of freighters), and can kill BS's in a few shots.
Tbh though, the issue isn't with how long it takes to kill a POS, the issue is that they are far too cheap to buy and maintain.
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Tad Ghostal
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Posted - 2005.09.27 16:23:00 -
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Originally by: Shin Ra
POS wars absolutly suck. I can't imagine anything more boring, besides mining. I really hope something is done about this.
I 110% agree, I would rather castrate myself with a teaspoon than shoot pos/station.
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nitr0s
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Posted - 2005.09.27 16:31:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Elenia Kheynes
Originally by: Dianabolic
Dreads need a damage boost, for the cost of them and the MASSIVE effort of moving them it is absolutely pathetic that they cannot destroy pos in a reasonable time.
3b of dread against 300m of pos = pos win.
Until CCP make it viable for a dread to win, no one will use htem in the way they were intended and eve will stagnate, imo.
A POS is a constant work for people living around it. They need to feed it the impressive amount of components and ice minerals it requires. This amount is even bigger if the POS is well protected.
A dreadnough should not be the big flashy "WIN" button against POSs.
And... afaik it takes 30 minutes to a dread + 18 BSs to put a small POS in reinforced mode. Not a decent amount of time heh ?
Hehe, spoken like a true clueless individual.
A Small pos is mabye 50M including fuel. Dreads take fuel and dare I say WAY more logistics to even move.
In their current state they are an absolute joke. CCP prenerfed them, thats a fact. It's their new way of doing things because they are too lazy to test things properly and like to toss in their subscription carrots for us poor fools to drool over.
ghey
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2005.09.27 16:42:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Elenia Kheynes
A POS is a constant work for people living around it. They need to feed it the impressive amount of components and ice minerals it requires. This amount is even bigger if the POS is well protected.
A dreadnough should not be the big flashy "WIN" button against POSs.
And... afaik it takes 30 minutes to a dread + 18 BSs to put a small POS in reinforced mode. Not a decent amount of time heh ?
A dread is 2 weeks of just BUILD time, at a cost of 2b+ if u get cheap mins.
A dread requires a fleet of indy's to move it, perhaps even freighters if u lucky with the staging point.
A dread requires an escort of at least 30 people in any reasonably competent alliances' space.
A dread takes 15 minutes to jump, it would take about a WEEK to move the damn thing (assuming not 23/7 game play for all 31 pilots) from Agil to the ass end of 0.0, fethyabolis for example, and, when it gets there, without NPC stations or the ability to dock a freighter, escorted industrial runs through about 50+ jumps of hostile territory with Isotopes, ammo and other consumeables to keep it running and attacking the 15+ pos's that any defensively minded alliance would have running at their outpost / pcs station systems.
Don't try and justify the work load of a POS to negate the ability of a Dread, something that is DESIGNED to DESTROY a POS, to do what it is DESIGNED to do.
They need boosting. I'm quite happy for them to SUCK at killing battleships, but in siege mode any one dread should be able to tank the damage from even the baddest ass POS. It SHOULD take a fleet to SUPPORT the POS to destroy a Dread that is in siege mode.
They SHOULD be an "I win" button against pos, they should NOT be an "I win" button against pos AND a fleet.
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Omeega
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Posted - 2005.09.27 16:45:00 -
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Edited by: Omeega on 27/09/2005 16:45:57
why not just abandon the sovreignity thing then? and do it like we allways did, overkill a station and wait for the enemy fleet.
Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2005.09.27 17:18:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Omeega
Edited by: Omeega on 27/09/2005 16:45:57
why not just abandon the sovreignity thing then? and do it like we allways did, overkill a station and wait for the enemy fleet.
Because that doesn't stop people playing timezone wars, which are just as bad, if not worse.
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Elenia Kheynes
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Posted - 2005.09.27 18:27:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Dianabolic
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A dreadnough is designed to kill POSs, yes.
But your negation of people's hard work is worrying.
If dreadnoughs are unerfed the way you want, then it's gonna simply be rampage in 0.0 of the alliance with the most dreadnoughs and the biggest fleet. You atm. 
I consider hard work behind a POS (a large one) should provide some advantages such as a relative safety (not absolute).
Hard work and dedication should not be crushed easely by the first strike team. I think a relative safety of VERY well defended POSs would also bring more people in 0.0 (i think this relative safety currently exists)
I'd like to remind you also of one of the biggest current POS weakness: you can't have them focusing fire. A shame isn't it ? It means that any POS can be destroyed if you put the right amount of dreads on it.
Logistic behind is hard ? Of course it is. Well used dreads are extremly powerful weapons against POSs.
Do the maths about tanking capability of a dread in siege mode: it's impressive.
Enslaver => perhaps raising cost of small CTs to 50M and med one to 75M could be a good start ?
I'm not against the principle of POS war tbh, it's a war in which the most dedicated side has a chance to win. Dedication is something I like, it makes you think twice before starting a war, it also gives a slight advantage to alliances with a decent industrial backbone (= isk). Maintaining dedication could also be interesting. I like when people fight for a little more than just fun (RP wise of course)
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nitr0s
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Posted - 2005.09.27 18:39:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Elenia Kheynes
Originally by: Dianabolic
[...]
A dreadnough is designed to kill POSs, yes.
But your negation of people's hard work is worrying.
If dreadnoughs are unerfed the way you want, then it's gonna simply be rampage in 0.0 of the alliance with the most dreadnoughs and the biggest fleet. You atm.
I consider hard work behind a POS (a large one) should provide some advantages such as a relative safety (not absolute).
Hard work and dedication should not be crushed easely by the first strike team. I think a relative safety of VERY well defended POSs would also bring more people in 0.0 (i think this relative safety currently exists)
I'd like to remind you also of one of the biggest current POS weakness: you can't have them focusing fire. A shame isn't it ? It means that any POS can be destroyed if you put the right amount of dreads on it.
Logistic behind is hard ? Of course it is. Well used dreads are extremly powerful weapons against POSs.
Do the maths about tanking capability of a dread in siege mode: it's impressive.
Enslaver => perhaps raising cost of small CTs to 50M and med one to 75M could be a good start ?
I'm not against the principle of POS war tbh, it's a war in which the most dedicated side has a chance to win. Dedication is something I like, it makes you think twice before starting a war, it also gives a slight advantage to alliances with a decent industrial backbone (= isk). Maintaining dedication could also be interesting. I like when people fight for a little more than just fun (RP wise of course)
I can tell by your post you've never flown a dread or been part of a team that did.
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Elenia Kheynes
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Posted - 2005.09.27 18:51:00 -
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Edited by: Elenia Kheynes on 27/09/2005 18:53:38
I haven't flown one yet. But I'm planning to and I've made my maths behind^^
And I'm also pretty far from being clueless on POSs topic, epsecially POSs under attack ;p
edit: and I don't have lessons to get from a science and trade Institute member ?
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2005.09.27 19:09:00 -
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Originally by: Elenia KheynesHard work and dedication should not be crushed easely by the first strike team. I think a relative safety of VERY well defended POSs would also bring more people in 0.0 (i think this relative safety currently exists)[/quote
olyyy, if there is a fleet to defend the pos, it WILL provide ABSOLUTE safety.
And, if you think BoB have the largest fleet in-game, you're not keeping good intel.
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Elenia Kheynes
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Posted - 2005.09.27 19:22:00 -
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yep, I'm mistaking, it's Imperium who got the biggest fleet o.-
A fleet to defend is an ideal case, any fleet got to log and get some sleep or fleet can be busy elsewhere in the universe.
I think you call this "timzone war" ?
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Elve Sorrow
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Posted - 2005.09.27 19:32:00 -
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Originally by: Minmatar Vengance
Given enough players join, and they all buy thoraxes + drones + blasters.. and you warp in 400 of them (about the cost of a dread) and release 3-4000 ogres on a small POS, it will crumble.. but you will take some losses. The same 400 thoraxes whould totaly destroy 10 dreads to I guess..
No, that would get you and the 400 Thorax' a ban actually. Its an exploit.
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Elenia Kheynes
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Posted - 2005.09.27 19:35:00 -
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drones exploit has been fixed in last patch I believe
I say a dozen of medium autocanons batteries would solve the issue pretty fast anyway if they still work with the lag Not sure drones would be able to shoot the CT anyway ^^
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Zagum Darkfin
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Posted - 2005.09.27 19:45:00 -
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CCP needs to increase the Timer for installing a pos from 30mins to 3 hours before the shield goes up.
1 person in a industrial setting up a small POS right before or after downtime is lame. You should have to hang around guarding your POS long enough for a nice blip on the map to show up.
Re-enforce mode should be changed to large POS only. Waiting a day cycle to kill off a POS when it only takes 30mins to set up one is backwards and short sightedness on CCP's part. If you plan on erecting POSes, you should have to man a fleet to defend that space for a significant time.
Set up time verses take down time for POSsis screwed up ATM. Needs more balancing.
Now dont get me wrong, POSes need to have defences and be able to stick around for its defenders. POS war is LAME 
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Katjia
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Posted - 2005.09.27 20:04:00 -
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wonders if peeps need to take lessons from NBSI on attacking defended pos's...They did a good number on a pos that was "oh so neutral" in providence. It was some what defended and they were able to block that "one indy with resuply" and a covert ops with resupply. Dunno I think pos's are able to fall pretty fast if you got a plan since you can't get them to concentrate fire power on one target with out mucking about with the standings mid fight.
just my 2 cents... tho i really wanna hit a supremecy pos for kicks and giggles.
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Uggs386
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Posted - 2005.09.27 20:41:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Katjia
wonders if peeps need to take lessons from NBSI on attacking defended pos's...They did a good number on a pos that was "oh so neutral" in providence. It was some what defended and they were able to block that "one indy with resuply" and a covert ops with resupply. Dunno I think pos's are able to fall pretty fast if you got a plan since you can't get them to concentrate fire power on one target with out mucking about with the standings mid fight.
just my 2 cents... tho i really wanna hit a supremecy pos for kicks and giggles.
Word we took out a defended pos with 10-15 bs, so saying pos's are overpowered is rdiculous.
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2005.09.27 20:45:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Uggs386
Originally by: Katjia
wonders if peeps need to take lessons from NBSI on attacking defended pos's...They did a good number on a pos that was "oh so neutral" in providence. It was some what defended and they were able to block that "one indy with resuply" and a covert ops with resupply. Dunno I think pos's are able to fall pretty fast if you got a plan since you can't get them to concentrate fire power on one target with out mucking about with the standings mid fight.
just my 2 cents... tho i really wanna hit a supremecy pos for kicks and giggles.
Word we took out a defended pos with 10-15 bs, so saying pos's are overpowered is rdiculous.
What size? What armaments?
POS are overpowered, come shoot at one of my large's, hell - come shoot at a medium, then we'll see what's "overpowered".
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Rexthor Hammerfists
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Posted - 2005.09.27 21:01:00 -
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imo the amount of monns in one system, where u cans etup poses is the problem, make it so that only 3 poses can b setup in a system, that would solve the whole **** - and it would make dreads much more important then.
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Elve Sorrow
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Posted - 2005.09.27 21:05:00 -
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meh, simple tbh.
Someone with sufficient Anchoring skills has to be present in the grid where the Tower is being anchored. Force that person out, and the POS stops anchoring.
Its really ghey that a single indy can just warp from moon to moon, dropping a POS and warping on.
Atleast then it would take a reasonable fleet, or some decent planning.
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Cartiff
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Posted - 2005.09.27 21:09:00 -
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Edited by: Cartiff on 27/09/2005 21:09:47
the pos uggs is refering to was a medium i think, with 4small 2medium guns, and 8bs defending it (back when u could sit in the shield and fire out).
we attacked it at 80-90k i think, we were traking fire form all the weapons and defenders.
Was fun.
Cartiff, CEO
Euphoria Released
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2005.09.27 21:28:00 -
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That's good work cartiff, nice.
However, that is a very poorly defended pos.
No large guns?
Were they all of the same type? If they were you were then able to tank the right damage.
8 bs inside the shields and they didn't manage to whittle you down?
Like I say, good work, but that's not a properly defended or utilised POS so, if you'll excuse me, I'll reject it as justification that POS aren't overpowered.
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Katjia
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Posted - 2005.09.27 22:14:00 -
[70]
Edited by: Katjia on 27/09/2005 22:15:52
yeah it had no large guns as it was a "working pos" as opposed to a military one...weren't really expecting to be attacked. whitling down is kinda hard when they warp off when ever they take hits...as for large pos i have no idea but i thought we were talking about smalls and mediums in a pos war...if it is mostly large pos's doing this style of stuff then my god think of the miners.....guess i'll go off and test the defenses of a large here pretty soon.
p.s. where ther is a will ther is a way...
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HatePeace LoveWar
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Posted - 2005.09.27 22:43:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Hassis
imho CLS should petition GMs to rename Feithabolis -> Shir ;)
we will come to you and drink in your honour at your outpost
and CYVOK to rename his character Bilbo ;)
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Elenia Kheynes
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Posted - 2005.09.27 22:44:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Dianabolic
That's good work cartiff, nice.
However, that is a very poorly defended pos.
No large guns?
Were they all of the same type? If they were you were then able to tank the right damage.
8 bs inside the shields and they didn't manage to whittle you down?
Like I say, good work, but that's not a properly defended or utilised POS so, if you'll excuse me, I'll reject it as justification that POS aren't overpowered.
I've seen a medium POS fully fitted with guns (until no more powergrid available) getting blown up by approx 6 squads of 6 pilots (36 BSs). After what I've seen I don't see how you can consider POSs as overpowered ;p
That medium POS was better defended than 80% of large POSs currently anchored.
POSs are not overpowered for something on which you rely to keep your assets safe. I would even consider as pretty underpowered with all the bugs they're victim of ^^
I wouldn't event comment Gallente and Amarr POSs which are laughable to tank with only 2 different dmg types.
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Gilette
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Posted - 2005.09.27 22:46:00 -
[73]
Edited by: Gilette on 27/09/2005 22:47:24
double post
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Gilette
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Posted - 2005.09.27 22:46:00 -
[74]
Edited by: Gilette on 27/09/2005 22:46:48
Double Post
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Fulmen
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Posted - 2005.09.27 22:52:00 -
[75]
****a.....
Remove small and medium POS's fron the soverignty equation.
Make them like ship fittings.
Large Towers = Large, Medium, and Small guns and Torp Batteries
Medium Towers = Medium and Small guns only and Cruise Batteries
Small Towers = Small guns only and Heavy Missle Batteries
POS WARS SUX0R!!!!
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2005.09.27 23:00:00 -
[76]
Olyyy, u DO know that u can fit other types of guns to the pos than their racials, right?
As for the fleet to take down a medium, yep, 36bs is about right - it's about 3b worth of kit and ALOT easier to move.
So, ONE dread should be able to take down a medium pos.
Glad to see we agree.
At this time, it can't.
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Katjia
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Posted - 2005.09.27 23:10:00 -
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ok ran the test twice not full threw but until i was satisfied with what the end outcome would be.
first attack :
minmatar tower
balls to the walls with ew(after hardners and missiles up as much as we could to max out cpu)
4 hardeners
5 citadel/5 cruise
enough guns to make you sick basicly as many as we could fit and get our hands on.
10 geddons
Attacked with:
3 dreads
2 transports
2 bc with gang assist mods
4 scorps
5 megas/5 tempests
various other small support ships to protect dreads.
end of story..sniped the living **** out of it took a bit of time so decided why not try and get some warp dis. bubbles around the pos just in case so out came the cloaking transport and dropped some bubbles around the pos for those resupply chaps.... megas and tempests took care of the defenders trying to shoot em.
realisticly...need a fleet along with the assault force to play to cover for any attacking fleets.
test 2
same minnie pos with a second pos in system for fleet support.
not so hot this time...over all it would come down to the fleet battle vrs the defenders..rotating assault force idea was brought up but didn't have enough ships to do it.... once a force wrps out do to fire another warped in...
in the end i think large pos's need an allaince to take out or a very large and organised corp.
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Elenia Kheynes
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Posted - 2005.09.27 23:30:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Dianabolic
Edited by: Dianabolic on 27/09/2005 23:07:10
Olyyy, u DO know that u can fit other types of guns to the pos than their racials, right?
As for the fleet to take down a medium, yep, 36bs is about right - it's about (at least) 3b worth of kit and ALOT easier to move.
So, ONE dread should be able to take down a medium pos.
Glad to see we agree.
At this time, it can't.
why wouldn't a dread be able to kill a single medium POS ??
captial armor repairer can handle 1706 dmg/second in siege mode. You could tank more than 3400 dps from the POS (even more with duration bonus of capital repair system skill).
On the other hand, a large artillery gun does 322 dps with EMP L, 214 dps on armor. You can't fit 10 large artilleries on a medium minmatar Control Tower...
sounds like the dread tanks the POS ^^
At this time, dns tank medium POSs.
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Drakos
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Posted - 2005.09.28 00:36:00 -
[79]
Edited by: Drakos on 28/09/2005 00:36:05
if only LARGE TOWERS could hold soverignty that would help on the POS wars... i guess. the way it is now, its just stupid tbh.
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Krapz
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Posted - 2005.09.28 01:02:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Seleene
Edited by: Seleene on 27/09/2005 11:41:19
I like you but...
Originally by: Minmatar Vengance
Originally by: Seleene
It's debatable what the smarter play is. ASCN is building a fortress down there. In another couple of months, I imagine they'll have a fat Hobbity fleet of 15-20 Dreads and another four or five outposts to park them in as well.
15-20 dreads? You must be jokeing..
I wish I was. No joke.
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I doubt they will be able to even put up 10 by christmas..
That would make you wrong. Fire your Intel chief.
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5-6 dreads I think are about what any alliance will be able to put up.
The MC alone will likely field twice that number by the new year.
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After all, they are not that good, and, the cost of a dread is about the cost of 12-15 battleships.. and 15 BS will own one dread any day of the week.
What if those 15 BS run into two or three Dreads that then enter Siege Mode? Ever seen that? It gets ugly. Fast.
I don't mean to be an ASCN cheerleeder; they still have us set to -9.0 because we kill people to feed our children. Death to ASCN and all that, ya know? I just think you're being a tad dismissive of what's going on in their neck of the woods.
EDIT - I swear either Trooper is stalking me or has the most uncanny knack to read the same threads I do at the exact same time of day!
I'm seriously gonna buy you a drink at FF Sel. It's still open bar, right?
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Kerosene
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Posted - 2005.09.28 01:17:00 -
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Originally by: Drakos
Edited by: Drakos on 28/09/2005 00:36:05
if only LARGE TOWERS could hold soverignty that would help on the POS wars... i guess. the way it is now, its just stupid tbh.
That I think is a top drawer idea. /signed
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r3dlotus
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Posted - 2005.09.28 02:46:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Minmatar Vengance
FIVE are not backing up Shinra, and the Shinra sponsored corps are looseing theire pilots to the battlehardend RA pilots left and right.
are you kidding me you are one funny alt.
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Nuclear Option
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Posted - 2005.09.28 03:13:00 -
[83]
Current POS territory mechanics get a big thumbs down.
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Seleene
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Posted - 2005.09.28 05:57:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Krapz
I'm seriously gonna buy you a drink at FF Sel. It's still open bar, right?
Assuming the State Department gets my damn passport back in the next couple weeks (had to renew), I'll take you up on that, Krapz! 
As for the rest, I remember back when the first battleships started hitting the road. There were a lot of misconceptions about what they could or couldn't do. Seeing a big square warp in on you usually caused people to **** thier pants and scatter simply because no one had a good idea of what the things could do.
There is a similar chain of events going on with Dreads now. As more pilots become capable of flying them and placing them in real combat situations, I am sure the Devs will makes some adjustments. The EVE community has this nasty habit of finding ways to get around most problems. I just feel sorry for the poor bastards that lose thier Dreads in the process. 
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The Enslaver
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Posted - 2005.09.28 06:37:00 -
[85]
Originally by: Elenia Kheynes
Enslaver => perhaps raising cost of small CTs to 50M and med one to 75M could be a good start ?
I'm not against the principle of POS war tbh, it's a war in which the most dedicated side has a chance to win. Dedication is something I like, it makes you think twice before starting a war, it also gives a slight advantage to alliances with a decent industrial backbone (= isk). Maintaining dedication could also be interesting. I like when people fight for a little more than just fun (RP wise of course)
No; Small CT's 250m, med 500m large 1b would be more realistic.
And you aren't taking into account the reinforced mode; which basically means that no matter what is attacking the POS, its going to take at least 24 hours to kill a POS. Imo, the single best change that could be made is to make it so dreads can keep shooting a POS that is in reinforced...
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Seleene
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Posted - 2005.09.28 06:40:00 -
[86]
Originally by: The Enslaver
Imo, the single best change that could be made is to make it so dreads can keep shooting a POS that is in reinforced...
Siege Mode > Reinforced Mode?
I like it!
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Minmatar Vengance
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Posted - 2005.09.28 08:01:00 -
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There is NO need to nerf the price on towers.. They are expensive as it is. And if you make so that dreads can shoot through reinforced-mode-thinge, you will wreack the game totaly.
POS wars ONLY apply's to station-ping-pong. This change :
1 large tower gives 4 'claim points'
1 medium tower gives 2 'claim points'
1 small tower gives 1 'claim point'
This will ease up a little on the tention. Besides, this ping-pong that is being played in Immensea, where RA through 'supperior tactics' as Evil Thug calls all dirty tricks that work, manage to take the stations from FIVE is not the norm.
FIVE have been sitting with 6-7 regions, that there are NO FIVE army defending. They have just taken the stations, and intimidated everyone so they ain't attacked. THEN, it comes to the point where you will actually have to DEFEND your lands by claiming souvereignity, by dropping a tower. They deploy some small tower, and leave. They are not present to defend what they claim.
Red Alliance come into Immensea, and they are present in theire timezones, and they deploy tower. This is weeks ago, but FIVE is not there to kick them out, something they have the manpower to do. Instead they lay all blame on 'RA superior tactics' of deploying hardware and gaining a presence in the area.
Now.. the stations that are left, 3 in each region, are Points Of Intrest. They SHOULD be fought over, and the once laying down the most work should be able to keep them. ASCN and SA have built some more stations. They cost a whooping 22 billion isk a piece. Those stations can't do stuff the 'free' stations can, and the 22 billion isk toy CAN BE STOLEN.
Now, you guys want to make it so the POS towers becomes even more useless. As in, more expensive, easier to shoot etc. Well, this is not quake. The reinforced mode are there to allow the once that own the POS to get a few hours to assemble a squad and go defend theire POS. IF it is not defended, it will fall.
Also like Olyyy pointed out, a Dread can tank quite a lot of dmg comeing from a POS. That means, that once 2 dreads and some support ships come along, you will either loose your POS within a few days, or you will have to chase them.
The fact that you can not totaly wipe out the presence of an alliance in just 45 min if you come with an uber-fleet is very nice. It brings more depth and dimention to the game.
Besides.. Tech2 stuff is expensive as it is. IF the towers price are like that redicilous billion etc, then tech2 ships won't be 10-20m for small and 50-100m for mediums. It will be more like 30m and 150-300m, because the production of tech2 stuff will halt.
IF the alliances that hold the stations stay to defend them, they will be able to totaly destroy 15 small tower easily over a 24-48h period by camping all the gates with multiple bubbles, and gank all the POS's into reinforced, then kill them off.
I am GLAD, that the 'we own 2,3,5 or 7 regions, because noone can be bothered to shoot the station' crap is over.
Independant (future) moviemaker...
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SengH
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Posted - 2005.09.28 08:10:00 -
[88]
Originally by: Minmatar Vengance
IF the alliances that hold the stations stay to defend them, they will be able to totaly destroy 15 small tower easily over a 24-48h period by camping all the gates with multiple bubbles, and gank all the POS's into reinforced, then kill them off.
I dont think you'd be able to find any alliance in eve able to get people together to destroy 15 POSes in 1 sitting. Half the people would die of boredeom before you even got halfway thru. People find ALOT more enjoyment shooting other people, not stupid poses. This is a GAME ffs, not torture. We're not paying $$$$ to be caused misery by some stupid game mechanic no one enjoys.
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Evil Thug
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Posted - 2005.09.28 08:45:00 -
[89]
Adapt, or die. ATUK - you are next.
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Minmatar Vengance
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Posted - 2005.09.28 09:02:00 -
[90]
Originally by: SengH
I dont think you'd be able to find any alliance in eve able to get people together to destroy 15 POSes in 1 sitting. Half the people would die of boredeom before you even got halfway thru. People find ALOT more enjoyment shooting other people, not stupid poses. This is a GAME ffs, not torture. We're not paying $$$$ to be caused misery by some stupid game mechanic no one enjoys.
IF your alliance is not intrested in laying down the work to hold stations, and they all just want to shoot stuff, then I do not see the problem.
You do not DESERVE any stations, and when you hold no stations, you and your evil armada can shoot all the shuttles you want on the curse-borders.
If your alliance are to hold the stations and get the billions from rent, refineing etc each month, DO SOME WORK ***** it. The hobbits are running around like ants, doing theire masters biddings, spending billions, and thousands of manhours to get 4-5 new outposts, and within 3 months, they will have them. That is a part of the game for them, and they find that fun. The hobbits whould lay a siege to a system with 100 man for a week if it was needed.
This IS a game, and it is a very very nice and balanced game. Quake-kiddies that just want stuff to blow up in 10 min, or hyperactive pilots that can't be arsed to do alliance fighting for theire 'home', is not the once this game should be made for.
The way it is now, an outpost in a system that is used by an alliance, and an alliance have 2-3 large POS's there with some guns, and have 10-15 small towers in the station with guns, ew.. the lot.., is not possible to take down in 1 day. You can take that system with a good force in a few days, if you keep up the pressure, but not before the defending part have gotten the time to prepare and counterattack. Against the NPC-stealable stations, that might seem a little dumb, but the Player built outposts.. they are the once this system is designed for.
You can deploy an outpost that costs like, 22 billion, and spend another 2-3 billions on protecting that system with POS's, and be fairly sure, than when you wake up sunday, after partying all weekend, the station will still be there, or atleast your towers are in reinforced mode.
Stealing stuff worth 20-25 billion isk + 1000 man man.hours SHOULD be hard. And if you want to make sure your system is safe, deploy 1 small pos at EACH moon in the entire system
Independant (future) moviemaker...
and someones ALT |
Velios
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Posted - 2005.09.28 09:43:00 -
[91]
Lots of good suggestions have appeared so far in this thread regarding POS and their downfalls. I hope CCP is listening and will attempt to identify with what is actually happening out in space, and take a few of the previous suggestions on board. |
Tansien
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Posted - 2005.09.28 09:47:00 -
[92]
Edited by: Tansien on 28/09/2005 09:49:03
Limiting the amounts of POS's in a system is the best idea i've heard tbh. solves alot of problems, like having to kill off 10 POS's in the same system.
Also needing to stick around for the entire deploy time is a good idea aswell.. As said before, hope CCP is reading.
Also to people saying everything is OK as it is: see how many people are willing to spend 2 months killing POS's in different systems. theres NOONE in the entire game that woulden't get utterly bored doing that.
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Elenia Kheynes
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Posted - 2005.09.28 10:48:00 -
[93]
Originally by: Minmatar Vengance
POS wars ONLY apply's to station-ping-pong. This change :
1 large tower gives 4 'claim points'
1 medium tower gives 2 'claim points'
1 small tower gives 1 'claim point'
I think this is the best solution to current crisis.
It's simple to implement and logic.
Result is simple: logistics to hold stations become harder and would cost more. People would of course rather deploy Large CTs which require more fuel. War would then have a cost, something people would think twice about...
I like when isk are taken in count 
Dear friendly customer... Can I have your money ?
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Omeega
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Posted - 2005.09.28 11:18:00 -
[94]
Originally by: Elenia Kheynes
Originally by: Minmatar Vengance
POS wars ONLY apply's to station-ping-pong. This change :
1 large tower gives 4 'claim points'
1 medium tower gives 2 'claim points'
1 small tower gives 1 'claim point'
I think this is the best solution to current crisis.
It's simple to implement and logic.
Result is simple: logistics to hold stations become harder and would cost more. People would of course rather deploy Large CTs which require more fuel. War would then have a cost, something people would think twice about...
I like when isk are taken in count
I'm afraid isk is not what is disturbing. It's more about the gameplay than the wallet imho. Looking forwards to some changes.
Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
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Seleene
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Posted - 2005.09.28 11:29:00 -
[95]
Minmatar Vengance - minus the mis-spellings, do you have any idea how very much alike you and Cyvok write?
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Minmatar Vengance
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Posted - 2005.09.28 11:35:00 -
[96]
POS's that claim a system are there so an alliance can get the station.
That is a 22 billion toy, that should in my opinion take a LOT of effort to keep.
The amount of fuel for 1 large equals 4 small. So, after deployment 4 small is the same amount of work as 1 large. Only thing is now, 4 small claim by the power of 4..
maybee a claim-pattern of,
7 = large
3 = medium
1 = small
whould be better? That whould encourage people to deploy large POS's. And no mather how uber-l33t you PvP'rs want the dreads to be because they are so expensive and stuff, I still like the CCP solution the way it is today. Only thing that is needed is that a pilot can enter a firecontroll center and use the guns 'manually' along with the EW / webbers / scramblers.
If a dread can tank a POS's fire when in siege mode, the POS should get some modules that will boost it's shields aswell. 1 large POS vs 2 dreads should be a clean knock-out victory for the POS.
Independant (future) moviemaker...
and someones ALT |
Minmatar Vengance
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Posted - 2005.09.28 11:38:00 -
[97]
Originally by: Seleene
Minmatar Vengance - minus the mis-spellings, do you have any idea how very much alike you and Cyvok write?
CYVOK don't write much on these boards, so I do not know.
English ain't my language, and I am mildly dyslectic, so, I can't even write correct in my native thougue.
What I do know, is that CYVOK is from the US. But his posts always cause an uproar, an alliance to die or the cookies to dissapear.
Independant (future) moviemaker...
and someones ALT |
Tholarim
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Posted - 2005.09.28 11:57:00 -
[98]
Edited by: Tholarim on 28/09/2005 11:57:47
Originally by: Evil Thug
Adapt, or die. ATUK - you are next.
lmao, so u actually gonna fight us now? or just more pos deployment?
Don't be silly.
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Evil Thug
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Posted - 2005.09.28 12:20:00 -
[99]
I`m afraid, that after 1 week of war - you`ll run screaming like a little girl. Like you do, during CA era, when you went to JQA.
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Goldar
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Posted - 2005.09.28 12:30:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Seleene
Minmatar Vengance - minus the mis-spellings, do you have any idea how very much alike you and Cyvok write?
Actually I think it's more likely to be an alt from a Merc Corporation. After all, squabbling amongst alliances must be good for business
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Tholarim
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Posted - 2005.09.28 12:33:00 -
[101]
Originally by: Evil Thug
I`m afraid, that after 1 week of war - you`ll run screaming like a little girl. Like you do, during CA era, when you went to JQA.
hahahahaha
/emote catches breath
c'mon then, try it.
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Trooper B99
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Posted - 2005.09.28 12:38:00 -
[102]
Originally by: Goldar
Actually I think it's more likely to be an alt from a Merc Corporation. After all, squabbling amongst alliances must be good for business
Oh gods no, alliances happily complain, argue and squabble amongst one another with any help from "outside influences".
Originally by: Evil Thug
I`m afraid, that after 1 week of war - you`ll run screaming like a little girl. Like you do, during CA era, when you went to JQA.
Just curious here, but are you meaning ATUK went after JQA at some point while CA was still around (i must have missed this) or do you mean when Thol and alot of ex-CA went after JQA?
Wirykomi Team Racer - COLOSSUS Championships Year 106
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Fred0
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Posted - 2005.09.28 12:40:00 -
[103]
I'm amazed. I was waiting to see Minmatar Vengance vs. Nuclear Option on this thread but it's not happening 
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Evil Thug
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Posted - 2005.09.28 12:54:00 -
[104]
Originally by: Trooper B99
Just curious here, but are you meaning ATUK went after JQA at some point while CA was still around (i must have missed this) or do you mean when Thol and alot of ex-CA went after JQA?
nvm. Let guns do the talking.
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Dust to Dust |
Trooper B99
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Posted - 2005.09.28 13:00:00 -
[105]
Fair enough if you don't want to specify.
*shrugs*
Just curious as I was involved in fighting JQA alongside Thol.
Wirykomi Team Racer - COLOSSUS Championships Year 106
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Nepereta
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Posted - 2005.09.28 13:08:00 -
[106]
HOBBITS YOU SAY! WE HAVE BALROG ON OUR SIDE AND WE HAVE NO TRUCK WITH THOSE LITTLE HAIRY FEET PEOPLE. IN FACT MYSELF AND BALROG ENGAGED ON A HOLY QUEST TO SLAY ALL THE GANDALFS IN THE GAME. WE FOUND A GANDALF BUT HE WAS NAME GANDELF AND HE HID IN A STATION WITH MOMMA. WE ASKED HIM TO COME OUT BUT HE WAS STAYTING IN THE STATION WITH HIS MOMMA.
THEY'RE TAKING THE HOBBITS TO ISENGARD!
THEY'RE TAKING THE HOBBITS TO ISENGARD!
THEY'RE TAKING THE HOBBITS TO ISENGARD!
WHAT DID YOU SAY?
TELL ME WHERE IS GANDALF FOR I MUCH DESIRE TO SPEAK WITH HIM!
A BALROG OF MORGOTH!
STUPID FAT HOBBIT!!
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2005.09.28 13:23:00 -
[107]
Originally by: Nepereta
HOBBITS YOU SAY! WE HAVE BALROG ON OUR SIDE AND WE HAVE NO TRUCK WITH THOSE LITTLE HAIRY FEET PEOPLE. IN FACT MYSELF AND BALROG ENGAGED ON A HOLY QUEST TO SLAY ALL THE GANDALFS IN THE GAME. WE FOUND A GANDALF BUT HE WAS NAME GANDELF AND HE HID IN A STATION WITH MOMMA. WE ASKED HIM TO COME OUT BUT HE WAS STAYTING IN THE STATION WITH HIS MOMMA.
THEY'RE TAKING THE HOBBITS TO ISENGARD!
THEY'RE TAKING THE HOBBITS TO ISENGARD!
THEY'RE TAKING THE HOBBITS TO ISENGARD!
WHAT DID YOU SAY?
TELL ME WHERE IS GANDALF FOR I MUCH DESIRE TO SPEAK WITH HIM!
A BALROG OF MORGOTH!
STUPID FAT HOBBIT!!
....aaaahhh poo.... why did you told our sikrit EVE domination plans?
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Minmatar Vengance
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Posted - 2005.09.28 13:29:00 -
[108]
Edited by: Minmatar Vengance on 28/09/2005 13:31:30
Originally by: Nepereta
HOBBITS YOU SAY! WE HAVE BALROG ON OUR SIDE AND WE HAVE NO TRUCK WITH THOSE LITTLE HAIRY FEET PEOPLE.
Nepereta, don't you have some heads to bust open so you can build that PRECIOUS outpost of yours in 4MP? Or did the master-hobbits deny you your toy? You hobbits should stay out of this forum like the master-hobbit says, and don't stick your nose's where they do not belong.
That is, unless you guys want to break out the dreads people so foolishly claim is in hobbit-centre and go blow up some POS's in Immensea and help your allies. After all, FIVE are watching over your area.
Anyway. Good luck Nepereta. You did make the first super-outpost in HED-GP, and I guess that made your name carved into stone stand out in Eve-history. To bad, your alliance have lost all momentum and just sit stuck on the outskirts of eve, with nothing to do, but carebear. Then again, you have Xetic in your blood.
You tell the master hobbit(s) to get into the forums and reveal some of theire carebear plans
-- Dear GM's :
This is not a flame nor trolling.
I am just trying to get ASCN to attack RA or Five or SA or any combination they might have. Then again, with the internal disputes they are haveing, I might not need to.
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Independant (future) moviemaker...
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2005.09.28 13:35:00 -
[109]
Any post that claims not to be flames or trolling is, inevitable, a flame or troll.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2005.09.28 13:52:00 -
[110]
Edited by: j0sephine on 28/09/2005 13:52:40
"Siege Mode > Reinforced Mode?
I like it! "
Think the reinforced mode is there to not allow "attack POS at defender's 5 am to avoid possibility of them actually fighting back" time zone war tactics.
The POS owner is by design given right to pick the time of final engagement, meaning the attackers must actually make serious effort if they want to take it down. If the dreadnaughts were able to shoot POS 23/7, it'd effectively remove this mechanics :/
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Nepereta
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Posted - 2005.09.28 14:12:00 -
[111]
Originally by: Minmatar Vengance
Edited by: Minmatar Vengance on 28/09/2005 13:31:30
Originally by: Nepereta
HOBBITS YOU SAY! WE HAVE BALROG ON OUR SIDE AND WE HAVE NO TRUCK WITH THOSE LITTLE HAIRY FEET PEOPLE.
Nepereta, don't you have some heads to bust open so you can build that PRECIOUS outpost of yours in 4MP? Or did the master-hobbits deny you your toy? You hobbits should stay out of this forum like the master-hobbit says, and don't stick your nose's where they do not belong.
That is, unless you guys want to break out the dreads people so foolishly claim is in hobbit-centre and go blow up some POS's in Immensea and help your allies. After all, FIVE are watching over your area.
Anyway. Good luck Nepereta. You did make the first super-outpost in HED-GP, and I guess that made your name carved into stone stand out in Eve-history. To bad, your alliance have lost all momentum and just sit stuck on the outskirts of eve, with nothing to do, but carebear. Then again, you have Xetic in your blood.
You tell the master hobbit(s) to get into the forums and reveal some of theire carebear plans
-- Dear GM's :
This is not a flame nor trolling.
I am just trying to get ASCN to attack RA or Five or SA or any combination they might have. Then again, with the internal disputes they are haveing, I might not need to.
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There are no internal disputes. A few heated discussions occasionally, but who doesn't. Get more up to date info Mr Alty McAlt.
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Uinein
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Posted - 2005.09.28 14:24:00 -
[112]
Right click -- Deploy Warp to diferent moon
Right click -- Deploy Warp to diferent moon
Right click -- Deploy Warp to diferent moon
Right click -- Deploy
We win!!!!!!
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BOldMan
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Posted - 2005.09.28 14:53:00 -
[113]
Originally by: Minmatar Vengance
-- Dear GM's :
This is not a flame nor trolling.
I am just trying to get ASCN to attack RA or Five or SA or any combination they might have.
Why that? And a large POS >> 2 dreads? I think you sell small POS to 5 and RA and make a lot of money. POS flooders.
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Netto
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Posted - 2005.09.28 14:53:00 -
[114]
Originally by: Nepereta
Nepereta, don't you have some heads to bust open so you can build that PRECIOUS outpost of yours in 4MP? Or did the master-hobbits deny you your toy? You hobbits should stay out of this forum like the master-hobbit says, and don't stick your nose's where they do not belong.
That is, unless you guys want to break out the dreads people so foolishly claim is in hobbit-centre and go blow up some POS's in Immensea and help your allies. After all, FIVE are watching over your area.
Anyway. Good luck Nepereta. You did make the first super-outpost in HED-GP, and I guess that made your name carved into stone stand out in Eve-history. To bad, your alliance have lost all momentum and just sit stuck on the outskirts of eve, with nothing to do, but carebear. Then again, you have Xetic in your blood.
You tell the master hobbit(s) to get into the forums and reveal some of theire carebear plans
-- Dear GM's :
This is not a flame nor trolling.
I am just trying to get ASCN to attack RA or Five or SA or any combination they might have. Then again, with the internal disputes they are haveing, I might not need to.
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There are no internal disputes. A few heated discussions occasionally, but who doesn't. Get more up to date info Mr Alty McAlt. As for you wanting us to fight people I don't understand, please explain why we have to fight these peeps?
No, we're having MASSIVE internal problems, in fact, we're about to split at the seams! It's terrible. If we don't get that new strip club built on schedule, CYVOK is going to wax our feet !
Netto
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Uggs386
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Posted - 2005.09.28 15:37:00 -
[115]
Wow I am shocked by peoples stupidity, Mimmatar Vengance has said more than once whose alt he is, and people are still trying to figure it out. If people could only read.
DJ shows his true feelings.
James Kavourias > just need a **** break soon:P
dj lightning > let me know when and i will hold |
Hoozin
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Posted - 2005.09.28 15:40:00 -
[116]
EVE: Cold War Edition
We have wars of influences, but when was the last truly huge fleet battle?
We have an arms race, but what happens when somebody wins?
We have these POS wars. Covert action before DT replacing the blobs of only a couple of months ago.
Alliances and diplomacy at every turn with the mercs hanging in the middle. Who will be the first to be backstabbed and who will be the ones to pay the price?
More importantly, will it erupt into the largest war in the history of EVE or will it simply die out into another fragile peace between the superpowers of the galaxy?
Once again, I'm just the clueless miner...
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Carth Jared
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Posted - 2005.09.28 16:48:00 -
[117]
Originally by: Evil Thug
I`m afraid, that after 1 week of war - you`ll run screaming like a little girl. Like you do, during CA era, when you went to JQA.
Sine RAT. has no official war (and the non-sanctioned war has been running for alot more then a week) you must be refering to the RA war against 5?
2005.09.28 15:03:00
The war between Red Alliance and The Five is coming to an end. Red Alliance has retracted the war against The Five. The war will be declared as being over after approximately 24 hours.
ATUK | The 5
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balrog
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Posted - 2005.09.28 16:57:00 -
[118]
Quote:
HOBBITS YOU SAY! WE HAVE BALROG ON OUR SIDE AND WE HAVE NO TRUCK WITH THOSE LITTLE HAIRY FEET PEOPLE. IN FACT MYSELF AND BALROG ENGAGED ON A HOLY QUEST TO SLAY ALL THE GANDALFS IN THE GAME. WE FOUND A GANDALF BUT HE WAS NAME GANDELF AND HE HID IN A STATION WITH MOMMA. WE ASKED HIM TO COME OUT BUT HE WAS STAYTING IN THE STATION WITH HIS MOMMA.
LO Nep
We need more gandalfs TBH
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Nepereta
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Posted - 2005.09.28 16:59:00 -
[119]
Originally by: Uggs386
Wow I am shocked by peoples stupidity, Mimmatar Vengance has said more than once whose alt he is, and people are still trying to figure it out. If people could only read.
There is a lot to read that dude is a pretty prolific poster and I don't have time to read them all.
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NI Reba
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Posted - 2005.09.28 17:05:00 -
[120]
so let me get this right... ASCN is bad because:
The dont muck with others internal affairs
They dont have expansion plans
They keep their word
They are well organized ROFL
why is it you have such a problem with that?
I think other alliances prefer having this type of alliance
border them.
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VonKaplanek III
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Posted - 2005.09.28 17:14:00 -
[121]
Things that make you go hmmmmmmmmmm...
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2005.09.28 17:49:00 -
[122]
Originally by: NI Reba
why is it you have such a problem with that?
...it's probably CYVOK's spelling
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Bbllaarrgg
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Posted - 2005.09.28 17:55:00 -
[123]
Hi, i felt the need to make a 2nd pointless post in this thread.
Its so funny, keep it up
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Stormfront
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Posted - 2005.09.28 17:58:00 -
[124]
This alt gets arrogant every day.
Anyhow, I pay for 2 accounts in this game to have fun. Not to work my ass off in my time off. I work/study in RL, don't need more WORK in a game.
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KSUDruid
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Posted - 2005.09.28 18:20:00 -
[125]
Originally by: Stormfront
I work/study in RL, don't need more WORK in a game.
Amen brutha.
-Druid "Civis Ascendant"
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Metal Dude
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Posted - 2005.09.28 18:30:00 -
[126]
Originally by: Evil Thug
nvm. Let guns do the talking.
We are back in our space. You know where we are. Bring it, and I don't mean an indy full of POS crap and fuel. We fly battle ships, not frigs, so don't bring a knife to a gunfight or you'll be running and hiding all day.
Somehow I get the feeling that again, we'll have to bring the fight to you. Oh well. WeÆll see if you fallow your own advice and let the guns do the talking. I hope so. We'll leave the light on for you, comrades. Cheers.
The truth will set you free
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Evil Thug
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Posted - 2005.09.28 18:43:00 -
[127]
"Just call my name and i`ll be there" (c)
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Nebba Kenezzer
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Posted - 2005.09.28 20:34:00 -
[128]
Originally by: Evil Thug
"Just call my name and i`ll be there" (c)
Not worth copyrighting, but I think he just did, chief.
Не говорить по-русски. F1, f2, f3...
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anister
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Posted - 2005.09.28 20:59:00 -
[129]
I think the Jacksons already got the ® on that
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Cloned Mark
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Posted - 2005.09.28 22:55:00 -
[130]
This thread confuses me
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BlackClaw
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Posted - 2005.09.29 02:26:00 -
[131]
Originally by: Nebba Kenezzer
Не говорить по-русски. F1, f2, f3...
Чукча не писатель...
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Amthrianius
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Posted - 2005.09.29 02:33:00 -
[132]
I wish CCP would stop people hiding in the end levels of complexes :(
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Dr Tetrahydrocannabinol
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Posted - 2005.09.29 03:31:00 -
[133]
Originally by: BlackClaw
Originally by: Nebba Kenezzer
Не говорить по-русски. F1, f2, f3...
Чукча не писатель...
lol
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Abdalion
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Posted - 2005.09.29 03:49:00 -
[134]
Thread has run its course.
Click.
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