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Tippia
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Posted - 2013.04.27 14:36:00 -
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About a decade or so. Maybe two. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Tippia
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Posted - 2013.04.27 15:38:00 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote:If eve had PvP which isn't "more skillpoints always win" I would've tried it. So you've tried it, then, I take it?
Quote:How come dev blog isn't enough evidence? Because it doesn't say any of the things you are claiming. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Tippia
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Posted - 2013.04.27 15:47:00 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote:Of course. After a single Proteus blew the whole Rifter gang, the truth became quite obvoius. Viz. that you were doing it wrong. Funnily enough, the T3 are rather low-SP ships, to the point where they were being attacked for giving new players too much power for too little training when they were introduced. 
Quote:More ships = more pilots = more skillpoints = win. GǪexcept that it's not the SP that make the difference.
Quote:My predictions are way more optimistic than what this evidence supports. What evidence? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Tippia
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Posted - 2013.04.27 15:58:00 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote:Demand is gonna be dead Ok. Let's stop there. Why is demand going to be dead? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Tippia
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Posted - 2013.04.27 16:47:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Souchek Lehman wrote:James Amril-Kesh God I hate that name. What the hell was I thinking. Report yourself and claim that it means GÇ£devs are mofosGÇ¥ in Sanskrit or some such, so you can get it changed.  GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Tippia
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Posted - 2013.04.28 20:48:00 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote:That is an overoptimistic prediction as it looks to me. That's because his prediction is based on empirics, facts, and a bit of maths, whereas your predictions have no basis. So of course his will differ from yours.
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Tippia
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Posted - 2013.04.28 20:58:00 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote:Except there were no miners. Alloys. Shuttles. Meta x stuff reprocessing. No need to mine. I remember the times too, you know. No, you don't. Otherwise, you'd remember the abundance of miners.
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Tippia
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Posted - 2013.04.28 21:06:00 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote:Now what do we have in odyssey? Screwed demand. Values shifted. Getting my drift? In Odyssey, we have a shift in supply. How is demand being screwed again? So what if values shift? NoGǪ what is your drift? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Tippia
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Posted - 2013.04.28 21:22:00 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote:I abstain from "good vs bad" analysis, it's just a fact it's going to die. How is this GÇ£a factGÇ¥? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Tippia
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Posted - 2013.04.28 21:25:00 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote:i still think demand is going to drop harder than supply. Why's that? In fact, why would demand drop at all?
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Tippia
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Posted - 2013.04.28 21:51:00 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote:Well, like i said, if eve had pvp not bound to "SP = win", gates could really open both sides. GǪwhich is part of why the gates really are open both ways. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Tippia
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Posted - 2013.04.28 22:00:00 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote:And that nice shiny bubble camp of higher SP characters en masse. GǪwhich takes all of 200k SP to defeat.
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Tippia
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Posted - 2013.04.28 22:06:00 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote:This year I've only been out in lowsec in a party wishing to close the escalation. We never achieved a single kill on other players, and never went above 50% survival rate. Not enough skillpoints for pvp yet. No. You don't have enough PvP experience to PvP yet. SP is not a factor. The only way to get that PvP experience is to PvP. Waiting for your SP to accumulate will just mean that you never have enough experience.
Quote:Tippia wrote:Basil Pupkin wrote:And that nice shiny bubble camp of higher SP characters en masse. GǪwhich takes all of 200k SP to defeat and 0k to have a the easiest time in the world to avoid. fixd. Actually fixed. Of course, since you have no PvP experience, you don't know this and have to invent nonsense here just like with all of you other claims. Much like mining and the history of the game, you have proven that this is not an area you know enough about to really make any kind of comment on. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Tippia
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Posted - 2013.04.28 22:13:00 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote:[Waiting for SP to accumulate won't work because everyone's SP is accumulating. Sure, but that's not why it doesn't work. The reason it doesn't work is that waiting for SP doesn't give you what you need: PvP experience.
Funnily enough, PvP experience is something that is better accumulated with absolutely minute amounts of SP, which means that the effect is pretty much the exact opposite of what you've been tricked into believing. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Tippia
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Posted - 2013.04.28 22:17:00 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote:So, at which gate do you usually camp while tricking newbies into setting themself back by trying PvP? Mu. I know it's hard to accept that what you've been hearing is a lie, but that's just something you'll have to accept.
Your problem isn't that you have too little SP GÇö it's that you already have too much.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Tippia
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Posted - 2013.04.28 22:20:00 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote:Broken due to ignorance, inexperience, and lack of actually sitting down to see what SP do. Fixed.
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Tippia
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Posted - 2013.04.28 22:26:00 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote:It is quite obvious that everyone who engages in pvp maxed out his pvp skills in years of playing. Fun fact: apparently obvious things are often not what they first seem. Because no, they did not.
Quote:Until you're maxed out like they are GǪyou can always play better, smarter, and/or with more numbers. SP won't help them in the slightest against those.
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Tippia
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Posted - 2013.04.28 22:34:00 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote:Better I cannot, because i lack SP to be better. Tactics is not a function of SP, but of player action, so it's trivially easy to play better than a pile of SP.
Quote:Smarter won't work against stroner (due to SP diff). Incorrect. Smarter works against dumb because dumb means you're weak against whatever the smart player uses.
Quote:More numbers = more SP => fits within "more SP to win" formula. GǪexcept that 10+ù900k SP < 1+ù20M SP, and yet the former will win. So no, it doesn't.
Here's an exercise for you: I have 112M SP. Take a moment to figure out how many SP you need to beat me.
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Tippia
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Posted - 2013.04.28 22:38:00 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote:Which doesn't cancel the fact that in the same frigate you lose to 10% of his SP, because those 10% is still greater than your 100%. So play smarter: don't be in the same frigate. Use something that kills that frigate in a heartbeat using a fraction of the SP.
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Tippia
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Posted - 2013.04.28 22:42:00 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote:Your tactics won't work if you don't have enough SP to back it up. GǪwhich you do. Hence the choice of tactic.
Quote:Same reason for smarter. No matter how smart you are, you can't do anything about it if you deal 20% less damage and have 20% less tank. GǪexcept that by being smarter, you have infinitely more damage and a tank that doesn't even come into play.
Also, you didn't do the exercise. Hop to it. Chop-chop. How many SP do you need to beat me? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Tippia
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Posted - 2013.04.28 22:50:00 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote:Tippia wrote:Also, you didn't do the exercise. Hop to it. Chop-chop. How many SP do you need to beat me? > Take all the PvP SP from that pile, and that will be how much SP you need to make tactics and being smart matter. No, and that's not what I'm asking, now is it? I want a number, and I want it calculated correctly. Just add up the SP required for the various skills. The method you're suggesting isn't doing that.
So, again: how many SP do you need to beat me? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Tippia
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Posted - 2013.04.28 22:55:00 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote:Mining belts ain't gonna be worth it, so every ice field will be camped. What do you base this assertion on?
Quote:Which would be about 3x of PvP SP I got. So I don't have to worry about PvP for a few more years after all. So you're at 700k SP now. That means the full 2M is about a month away. That's not GÇ£a few more yearsGÇ¥, just fyi.
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:Just looking at Tippia, maybe 2mill to beat, tops. From a quick glance, her most effective combat ship would be some version of T3 cruiser. You don't need a whole lot to tear down a T3, just some intelligence about game mechanics. Most of the time, you'll find me in an interceptor or a blockade runner. They can both be tricky to catch, but beyond that, they'll fall apart to a n00bship.  GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Tippia
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Posted - 2013.04.28 23:03:00 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote:My assertions are all over this thread. Indeed they are, but the question was: what is it based on?
Quote:You're gonna increase your SP as well GǪwhich won't make any difference, and you'll still only need 2M total to beat me. So no, it's still just a month. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Posted - 2013.04.28 23:11:00 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote:I'm confused. No. Just a troll.
Quote:How is increasing SP, which makes all the difference, won't make any difference? Because the skills I'm raising with that SP don't affect my ship in the slightest. If you can kill me with 2M SP now, you'll be able to kill me with 2M SP in a year. Or in two years. Once you start to beat me, you can keep beating me, and you can start in a month. So my SP increase makes no difference.
Quote:And it's based on devblog entry on odyssey mining changes. They don't say anything of what you're claiming. So what is your assertion based on? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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