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Ethan Scarlet
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Posted - 2005.09.28 01:44:00 -
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I read somewhere that the rifter and the kestrel were 2 very good choices as a starter ship for newer pirates. However it didn't really give much in the way of pros and cons of choosing one ship over the other. Anyone have any opinions or advice about these 2 ships or have a different one entirely to recommend? Thanks
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Kyle Caldrel
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Posted - 2005.09.28 01:51:00 -
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Rifter- fast, good dmg, agile, light
Kessy- better dmg, slow as snot, handles like a stuck pig, really good dmg, 3 midslots.
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Rasitiln
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Posted - 2005.09.28 01:57:00 -
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personally I like a punisher better then the lot of them good cap but its slow as a snail so a mwd is a must.
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FalloutBoy
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Posted - 2005.09.28 04:36:00 -
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my favorite is a incursus fited like:
3xLight Neutrons
MWD Web Scram
Cap Relay MAPC
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ParMizaN
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Posted - 2005.09.28 06:51:00 -
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Best way to decide is try them for yourself, but in my opinion the rifter is the bes as it is the fastest, while still being tough and dealin ok damage.
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Posted - 2005.09.28 07:35:00 -
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I'm going to say go with the Kestrel. Damage-wise, they're probably at about the same level. The difference is that the Kestrel gets that extra mid slot so it can run an AB, a Webber, and a Scrambler at the same time. The Rifter might be fine with a AB/MWD and a Scrambler, but I enjoy having all three of those things to lock someone down with.
If that's not an issue (if you're pirating with friends who will handle tackling), then go with whatever ship you think looks the coolest. Just outfit it with whatever weapons will do a good deal of damage and you'll be set.
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Zephirz
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Posted - 2005.09.28 09:30:00 -
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Edited by: Zephirz on 28/09/2005 09:30:30
I noticed recentley that even with my set of skills the kestrel does more dmg than the rifter.. i can use tech 2 small projectiles but bit of a waste fitting 900k guns on a 250k ship so i used regular 200mm's a nos, ab scrambler, and some low stff very simple fitting.... i got a bit bored and took on some angel raiders and my dmg was an average of 20... while with an alt i flew a kestrel with rockets right in the first hours, took on a few angel raiders and got average of 30 dmg.. with no skills at all.. and much higher dps.. so the kestrel pwns the rifter In everything but speed...
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Mr MadCap
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Posted - 2005.09.28 09:40:00 -
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My punisher rocks for pvp, even with a mwd on i can run either guns+scram+armor rep II, or MWD+guns+scram. Shes a beut, and i wub her.
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ABOUTA BRAEK
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Posted - 2005.09.28 09:47:00 -
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Edited by: ABOUTA BRAEK on 28/09/2005 09:47:21
 Originally by: Zephirz
Edited by: Zephirz on 28/09/2005 09:30:30
I noticed recentley that even with my set of skills the kestrel does more dmg than the rifter..
Replace one of the Rockets on the Kestrel with a Nos or replace the Nos on the Rifter with a Rocket Launcher. It's not fair comparing 4 weapons against 3 weapons.
Doing either should probably give you more accurate results.
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Greyshadow
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Posted - 2005.09.28 09:47:00 -
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Edited by: Greyshadow on 28/09/2005 09:47:00
I'd say kestrel, been using them for rat killing in 0.5, got through a few while getting setup right but can now sustain shields while dealing out 36.5 damage per rocket. Its not too slow either get over 500m/s
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Suladriel
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Posted - 2005.09.28 11:27:00 -
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Before the missile changes, I was 100% Rifter as you could outrun missiles without any problems.
Now though I would suggest the Kestrel, although it is a bit flimsy.
Peronally I love the Incursus fitted with Ion blasters. Mr Madcap and I have been having a lot of fun flying around in frigates recently. o/
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James Lyrus
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Posted - 2005.09.28 11:28:00 -
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Haveing flown both, I favour the kestrel.
Rifters are fast, but that extra midslot on the kestrel makes a big difference. Must haves for PvP IMO are afterburners (or an MWD) and scramblers. That leaves none at all left on a rifter, where on a kestrel you can still fit:
A webber for killing other frigates
A tracking disruptor for killing cruisers (And battleships, but you're pretty unlikely to be able to break a tank on a BS)
A dampener if you're going after a BS in a gang. (1 isn't stunning, 4 cripples them :))
Also having all the same weapon type improves effectiveness of damage mods. (Kestrel, 4 top end rocket launchers and 2 ballistic controls just tears things to shreds)
Both ships have the advantage that they can do multi-coloured damage, so it's important to keep track of what the weakest resistance on a target is likely to be. The difference is that rifer does multiple types with single ammo, but it's optimal ranges change as you switch 'colours'.
Don't get hung up on the fact that kestrels get damage bonuses to kinetic - +5% per level is nice, but lots of ships are well tanked against kinetic damage. (well, serpentis/guristas NPC fits).
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FoRGyL
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Posted - 2005.09.28 11:51:00 -
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Only thing I have to say is that I haven't heard the word/name Kestrel sooo many times for a long time !
Might point u in a direction 
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alphawolf2929
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Posted - 2005.09.28 12:09:00 -
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kestrel is a really newb-friendly ship....orbit and spam missiles.. rifter prolly does better damage tho, if you know how to fly one and have good skills
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2005.09.28 12:23:00 -
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The kestrel can kill any interceptor or AF in EVE with some luck, a lot of skill, and a good fitting.
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H0ot
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Posted - 2005.09.28 12:45:00 -
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I would say Rifter. I never really liked Kestrels, infact I kept losing them a while ago on a daily basis.
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Balklanac
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Posted - 2005.09.28 13:37:00 -
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Sorry to hijack the thread like this but that is a nice sig hoot
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Psycarne
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Posted - 2005.09.28 16:40:00 -
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Rifter = win. Missles just seem to do such crap damage versus other frigates.
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Doctor Yes
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Posted - 2005.09.28 19:33:00 -
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Originally by: alphawolf2929
kestrel is a really newb-friendly ship....orbit and spam missiles.. rifter prolly does better damage tho, if you know how to fly one and have good skills
So how would you fly the rifter? keep your distance and spam shells?
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Sakura Nihil
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Posted - 2005.09.29 08:39:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
The kestrel can kill any interceptor or AF in EVE with some luck, a lot of skill, and a good fitting.
My corp and I did exactly what you said, took down a PvP skilled Crow with a kessie or two.
Kestrel FTW!
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sariss
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Posted - 2005.09.29 10:17:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
The kestrel can kill any interceptor or AF in EVE with some luck, a lot of skill, and a good fitting.
The Rifter can do that too, maybe even better.
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Lord Aradon
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Posted - 2005.09.29 10:26:00 -
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Im not sure on the maths but im pretty certain the kessie can do more DPS with rockets compared to a rifter.
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FooB2
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Posted - 2005.09.29 11:52:00 -
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im suprised noones mentioned this yet, but the only person who can tell you which is better out of the rifter/kestrel is YOU.
open up your skillsheet, and take a good look. whats your rockets skill at? your missile skills? maybe your gunnery skills, small projectile trained well? you tell me.
a rifter with small projectile 4 is going to win over a kestrel with rockets 1 and no missile skills, and vice versa. maybe it turns out you have small pulse laser spec 5? then go amarr/punisher. small rails/blaster spec? go gallente.
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Fox'Ray
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Posted - 2005.10.13 15:35:00 -
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Just gotta say Rifter 4TW
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2005.10.13 15:47:00 -
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Originally by: sariss
Originally by: Dark Shikari
The kestrel can kill any interceptor or AF in EVE with some luck, a lot of skill, and a good fitting.
The Rifter can do that too, maybe even better.
The kestrel can do one thing that the Rifter cannot--it can do equal damage at any range ~8km or less, without ever worrying about tracking.
Oh, but the main reason is, it only has two midslots. You need 3 midslots--warp scrambler, and TWO WEBS. Without two webs you cannot immobilize an inty like you need to.
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Bazman
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Posted - 2005.10.13 16:14:00 -
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A rifter can gank any other frig without even bothering with its meds
3 x 280mm Arties, a bunch of gyros, kills frigs dead in 1 or 2 volleys :P
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Xtro 2
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Posted - 2005.10.13 16:19:00 -
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Tristans are also quite nimble/usefull little ships.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2005.10.13 16:38:00 -
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Originally by: Bazman
A rifter can gank any other frig without even bothering with its meds
3 x 280mm Arties, a bunch of gyros, kills frigs dead in 1 or 2 volleys :P
Can it kill a blaster Enyo?
Doubt it'll even get through its shields before it gets too close to be hit.
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Gally Princess
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Posted - 2005.10.13 16:43:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Bazman
A rifter can gank any other frig without even bothering with its meds
3 x 280mm Arties, a bunch of gyros, kills frigs dead in 1 or 2 volleys :P
Can it kill a blaster Enyo?
Doubt it'll even get through its shields before it gets too close to be hit.
Enyo isn't a frig silly, it's a monster. Rifter would probably pwn the incursus if the incursus decided to approach like a fool (i.e. straight in with MWD on)
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Wanna Kill
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Posted - 2005.10.13 19:38:00 -
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Originally by: FalloutBoy
my favorite is a incursus fited like:
3xLight Neutrons
MWD Web Scram
Cap Relay MAPC
Oi, that guy knows what he's talking about :b
I tend to like 3 x light ELECTRONS instead, and then +1 cap relay in low.
But it depends on the fight. Neutrons does much more damage.
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Johnny Johnny
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Posted - 2005.10.13 19:42:00 -
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Originally by: R31D
people fit a nos on Rifters?
I know of one specific setup that uses NOS on a Rifter, to good effect.
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Preo
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Posted - 2005.10.14 09:52:00 -
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I'm a caldari pilot, so i started out pirating with the kestral, as i already had skills to fly it. However, after trying the rifter, i think the rifter is the better overall ship.
Coming from flying a kestral i have good missiles skills (35 base dmg from rockets), and poor gunnery skills. The kestral does more damage and has an extra mid-slot. The rifter is much faster, and agile so it's much easier to dodge guns in.
My current setup is:
2x150mm Autocannons 2xRocket launchers
1xMWD 1xScramble
1x100mm Plates 1xSmall armor repairer.
The auto-cannons don't really do that much damage, but that probably due to my skills. The 100mm Plates makes me alot tougher, and because the rifter is prety fast the speed penalty does not hinder me much. The extra armor has proved to be the difference between winning and losing in a good few fights.
The midslots are not really an issue with me, as i attack people at belts, so if i have them warp jammed there is nowhere for them to run. The MWD and rifter's speed allows me to dictate the range for any engagment except for intercepters.
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Dexter Rast
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Posted - 2005.10.14 22:02:00 -
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Originally by: FooB2
im suprised noones mentioned this yet, but the only person who can tell you which is better out of the rifter/kestrel is YOU.
open up your skillsheet, and take a good look. whats your rockets skill at? your missile skills? maybe your gunnery skills, small projectile trained well? you tell me.
a rifter with small projectile 4 is going to win over a kestrel with rockets 1 and no missile skills, and vice versa. maybe it turns out you have small pulse laser spec 5? then go amarr/punisher. small rails/blaster spec? go gallente.
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