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Dayma Faust Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2013.04.28 15:45:00 - [1] - Quote All, I am new and trying this out. My one basic question is about PVE or PVP. I am having problem finding if this game is all PvP or not. I am not really into PvP all that much so trying to figure if there is a mix here or not. Thanks All!!!!
Surfin's PlunderBunny Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 10733	Posted - 2013.04.28 15:54:00 - [2] - Quote Yup, there is PvE "Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á
Bret Crendraven SkREW CREW Local Down 4	Posted - 2013.04.28 16:11:00 - [3] - Quote There are equal shares of PvE and PvP. All depends on what YOU want to do. I focused on PvE but enjoy PvP when my 2.5mil SP permits it :P
Vilnius Zar Ordo Ardish 839	Posted - 2013.04.28 16:21:00 - [4] - Quote While EVE certainly has its share of PVE and you can do fine if you enjoy that the most, EVE has its ways to force PVP onto you and there's several ways of dealing with it: 1) close your eyes and try to wish it away 2) state that pvp is for 12 yearold insecure boys who also pull the wings off of flies 3) whine and about it when it happens to you and blame others for your misfortune 4) realise that it simply may happen, read up on stuff, inform yourself, prepare for it and simply don't do foolish stuff that might/will get you killed Door #4 is the option for smart people, however most will pick 1-3 and generally all at the same time. Amat victoria curam. Excellence in everything. Some guides that may be useful to you: http://www.youtube.com/user/OrdoArdish
Bret Crendraven SkREW CREW Local Down 4	Posted - 2013.04.28 16:37:00 - [5] - Quote Dont forget 5) Rage quit and never play an MMO with PvP in again.
Dayma Faust Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2013.04.28 16:56:00 - [6] - Quote So it's optional sometimes? I guess I am trying to understand. Is PvP "end game" or is it specific areas that allows for greater rewards? Also, I am assuming that it warns you what a PvP area is? Thanks!
Vilnius Zar Ordo Ardish 840	Posted - 2013.04.28 17:20:00 - [7] - Quote Dayma Faust wrote: So it's optional sometimes? I guess I am trying to understand. Is PvP "end game" or is it specific areas that allows for greater rewards? Also, I am assuming that it warns you what a PvP area is? Thanks! PVP happens everywhere and effectively right from the start. - buying/selling on the market is pvp - trying to outdo others when it comes to scarce asteroid is pvp - trying to haul your expensive wares and loot to another location might be pvp, where you have to do your best to not get blown up. (many idiots haul massively expensive goods in flimsy ships, then get blown up in hopes of loot drop and then whine about it) - your corp might get wardecced - you might have your can of ore being flipped by someone - perhaps you ended up in low sec and you're trying to live and survive there In EVE PVP is all around you and you can't completely avoid it, all you can (and should) do is to make informed decisions to lower the chance of someone taking you from behind, and it's up to you to leave it at that or to become the offender yourself... or not :) Amat victoria curam. Excellence in everything. Some guides that may be useful to you: http://www.youtube.com/user/OrdoArdish
Surfin's PlunderBunny Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 10735	Posted - 2013.04.28 17:28:00 - [8] - Quote He just asked if there was any PvE content, he didn't need a thesis on what was there "Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á
Dayma Faust Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2013.04.28 17:57:00 - [9] - Quote Thanks all. I am giving the game a try. I am a long time MMO'er but really always avoided this game because of people telling me how large the learning curve was/is. It's sure no WoW...:)
J'Poll Aegis Consolidated 2109	Posted - 2013.04.28 17:59:00 - [10] - Quote Dayma Faust wrote: So it's optional sometimes? I guess I am trying to understand. Is PvP "end game" or is it specific areas that allows for greater rewards? Also, I am assuming that it warns you what a PvP area is? Thanks! EVE is a PvP heavy game. It doesn't warn you and when ever you undock your ship you can be dragged into PvP. There are NO safe zones or what so ever, people can and will PvP everywhere. Deal with it and with some clever thinking and acting you can negate most PvP. That said, sure EVE has PvE, but it's very very limited and can become rather repetitive quickly. Also stop talking in terms that are used in other MMOs...EVE doesn't have a clear end game because EVE is what you make of it. You make your own goals and end game. For some it's flying too expensive bling ships with officer mods for others it's shooting said ships down for lulz and profit. When a WoW player leaves to return to WoW, the avg. IQ of both games rises. Professional Forum Thread locker.
Vilnius Zar Ordo Ardish 841	Posted - 2013.04.28 18:00:00 - [11] - Quote Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote: He just asked if there was any PvE content, he didn't need a thesis on what was there Let me bold it for you. Dayma Faust wrote: Is PvP "end game" or is it specific areas Amat victoria curam. Excellence in everything. Some guides that may be useful to you: http://www.youtube.com/user/OrdoArdish
Surfin's PlunderBunny Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 10748	Posted - 2013.04.28 21:32:00 - [12] - Quote Vilnius Zar wrote: Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote: He just asked if there was any PvE content, he didn't need a thesis on what was there Let me bold it for you. Dayma Faust wrote: Is PvP "end game" or is it specific areas Specific areas ^2 words "Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á
Steve WingYip Lumodynamics Power Control Corp Panda Cave 23	Posted - 2013.04.28 21:51:00 - [13] - Quote Dayma Faust wrote: All, I am new and trying this out. My one basic question is about PVE or PVP. I am having problem finding if this game is all PvP or not. I am not really into PvP all that much so trying to figure if there is a mix here or not. Thanks All!!!! If you don't like PvP, it may be a bad idea playing a game where the entire world is PvP enabled.
Raiz Nhell Kangaroo Ate my baby Orchestrated Alliance 256	Posted - 2013.04.28 23:48:00 - [14] - Quote Dayma Faust wrote: So it's optional sometimes? I guess I am trying to understand. Is PvP "end game" or is it specific areas that allows for greater rewards? Also, I am assuming that it warns you what a PvP area is? Thanks! The "Undock" button tell you that you are entering a "Ship to Ship" PVP area... Most other areas in Eve are PvP as you must compete against other players, the market for instance. And yes PvP is optional, however its a option to everyone else as well... if they want PvP and they chose you, you'll have rounds incoming... There is no such thing as a fair fight... If your fighting fair you have automatically put yourself at a disadvantage.
Colimarr Riley Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2013.04.29 00:02:00 - [15] - Quote I'm fairly new but I'll throw in my two cents based on what I've learned so far. While this is only a game, the comparison to real life when it comes to violent encounters is absolute. There are certain areas where fights are less likely to happen because there is more security around or there are just "nicer" people in that system and there are areas where you may not want to get caught walking alone, so to speak. Just like in reality, you can be attacked at anytime there are people around you. The game (at least for me) is easier to understand and have fun in once you realize that point and not worry about what areas are safe to be in, because there aren't any. Its something that a lot of games lack these days, not being predictable.
Jonah Gravenstein Khalkotauroi Defence Labs 8128	Posted - 2013.04.29 00:09:00 - [16] - Quote Dayma Faust wrote: Thanks all. I am giving the game a try. I am a long time MMO'er but really always avoided this game because of people telling me how large the learning curve was/is. It's sure no WoW...:) Everything you think you know about MMOs, throw that out of the window and forget it, virtually everything that is considered griefing in other MMOs is normal gameplay here. You're free to opt out of ship to ship PvP, never undock and just market trade. Once undocked PvP is optional, right up until the moment somebody decides that it's not. PvP is the ultimate PvE, other players make for an incredibly devious and unpredictable AI to pit your wits against. A war hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside.
Rachel Starchaser Perkone Caldari State 1	Posted - 2013.04.29 03:03:00 - [17] - Quote Kill the red cross guys in the belts with bounties. PVE
Marc Callan Interstellar Steel Templis Dragonaors 153	Posted - 2013.04.29 08:37:00 - [18] - Quote Basically: There are PVE elements to the game - exploration, missions, Epic Arcs, and the like - but anywhere and everywhere, you can be engaged by other players. You'll find traps, suicide gankers, pirates, extortionists, and people whose avowed mission is to wreck the game for anyone but them. But you'll also find groups that will gladly teach you how to survive and thrive in the game world - and who will watch your back as you learn, if you're lucky. You might actually discover a talent for PVP as you go, but if not, you can still learn how to do PVE effectively. You just need to learn what caution means in this game. "Nevertheless a prince ought to inspire fear in such a way that, if he does not win love, he avoids hatred..." - Niccolo Machiavelli-á
Dayma Faust Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2013.04.29 11:19:00 - [19] - Quote Thanks everyone for the replies!
Boe Harknes Peoples Capitalist Liberation Front Virtue of Selfishness 6	Posted - 2013.04.29 14:09:00 - [20] - Quote Dayma Faust wrote: Thanks everyone for the replies! I am also a new player and so far have been lucky with my first 3 weeks. I spend alot of time just running missions to challenge my self and learn how to fit ships properly. My first PVP encounter was when I bought a ship for a great deal. Unfortunatly it took me to low sec space but when I travel I use my fastest ship and load it with armor. I was able to get in and out while being attacked. The game is fun just remmeber that its not about obtaining gear to get better and stronger, but gaining knowledge and skill to outperform other players. If you are really nervous about PVP just stay in high sec space and don't advertise your self. Just watch a guy talking about selling plex get ganked while transporting it. dont know if he actually lost it but my god was it stupid. Trust me, I was a fantasy action MMO player but this game has really won me over since playing for 10 hours a day doesn't make you any stronger then the guy who plays 2 hours a day.
J'Poll Aegis Consolidated 2109	Posted - 2013.04.29 14:45:00 - [21] - Quote Boe Harknes wrote: Dayma Faust wrote: Thanks everyone for the replies! I am also a new player and so far have been lucky with my first 3 weeks. I spend alot of time just running missions to challenge my self and learn how to fit ships properly. My first PVP encounter was when I bought a ship for a great deal. Unfortunatly it took me to low sec space but when I travel I use my fastest ship and load it with armor. I was able to get in and out while being attacked. The game is fun just remmeber that its not about obtaining gear to get better and stronger, but gaining knowledge and skill to outperform other players. If you are really nervous about PVP just stay in high sec space and don't advertise your self. Just watch a guy talking about selling plex get ganked while transporting it. dont know if he actually lost it but my god was it stupid. Trust me, I was a fantasy action MMO player but this game has really won me over since playing for 10 hours a day doesn't make you any stronger then the guy who plays 2 hours a day. Well, playing 10 hours a day will still give you an advantage over 2 hours a day. Be it that you spent more time in game learning how the game works. It doesn't make you advance through skills and ships quicker but the more you put into the game, the more you get out of it. When a WoW player leaves to return to WoW, the avg. IQ of both games rises. Professional Forum Thread locker.
Destructor1792 Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 32	Posted - 2013.04.29 15:50:00 - [22] - Quote Dayma Faust wrote: So it's optional sometimes? I guess I am trying to understand. Is PvP "end game" or is it specific areas that allows for greater rewards? Also, I am assuming that it warns you what a PvP area is? Thanks! PVE is exactly what it means - "Player versus Environment" - and is the cheapest way of learning the basics of the game. This can cover anything from how to fit out ships, learning how your guns works, setting up a tank & a myriad of other things. And it's also the primary (and most stable) way most players generate isk to buy others things from Ships to modules. This is normally through running missions or anomolies. All NPC's are predictable in what they do so knowing what to fly / shoot them / tank their damage with also becomes predictable. That's the short, short verson on PVE in Eve. PvP can be looked at on the other side of the scales. You're going up against a human. Whilst there are the obvious "cooker cutter" fits that are used for just about every ship, you don't really know how they've fitted out their ship compared to yours. This is what makes the PvP fun.. there are no wrong ways to fit your ship, just optimal ones. Someone who's only been playing for a week could easily come across a 10 year veteran & blow them to smithereens just due to having the right modules fitted & understanding how the game works. As for actually engaging in PvP, for non consensual combat, the universe can be looked at being divided into 4 areas: Null Sec - Which is 0.0 space, Lawless space where anything goes and no consequences Low Sec - Which is 0.1-0.4 space, Semi Lawless, Lots of bad people flying about ready to ransom or blow you up High Sec - Which is 0.5-1.0 space, Known as Care-bear areas, Concord will happily blow you up if you engage in non consenual PvP Wormhole Space - Commonly referred to as either just WH or W-space - same as 0.0 space but local chat doesn't tell you who is actually in local (unless they're daft enough to speak in there!) You also have the War system where Corps or Alliances can wage war on each other anywhere in the unviverse with no penalties, duelling system where two pilots can have a legal scrap & also Faction Warfare (known as FW) which is between the 4 main races and are mainly set in Low Sec space. for more in depth viewing on the above, you're better off heading over to the Eve-wiki. There's alot more info there & also explains it in much more detail than what I have. As for PvP being "End Game"... Eve has no End game (hence the "Sandbox" comment you'll see banded around everywhere on the site) Once you get that notion out of your head, and figure out the basics, you should find enough to keep you busy for years to come. Not fired a shot in anger since 2011.... Trigger finger is starting to get somewhat itchy.......
Eram Fidard Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 80	Posted - 2013.04.29 16:11:00 - [23] - Quote Honestly, just unlearn everything you 'know' from other games. Preconceived notions will only harm you here.
Woeful Animation Turalyon Plus 8	Posted - 2013.04.29 16:33:00 - [24] - Quote Honestly, if you are interested in PvP, but don't know how to go about it, or how to avoid it, join a faction warfare corp, and learn to plex. Before everyone says, hang on hold up. Hear me out. Doing complexes in faction warfare is pretty easy. You sit around the button for a period of time and learn how to avoid PvP. This is an important first step. You can literally jump out into low sec in non-fitted ship and learn to avoid war targets and pirates. Do this successfully and you get LP which can be converted pretty easily into ISK. Once you learn the steps on how to avoid a PvP encounter, you can then start making more intelligent choices as to when you should engage. You gain intel on each pilot in the system. You can approximate his or her SP level based on the age of the character. Checking the standings lets you judge his or her aggressiveness. Learning how to use your D-Scan, you match the intel you receive to the ship. Learning what ship he or she is flying lets you gauge the strengths and weaknesses of that particular ship and its probable set up. Ultimately you get to make better choices. You can make better choices about when the odds are in your favor or if the odds don't favor the encounter. Finally once these skills are developed, you can start PvP without necessarily blindly throwing ship after ship into encounters you can't hope to win. The point ultimately is that once you learn these skills, the dangers posed by low or null sec become less daunting. They are dangerous. Sure. Will you get blown up. Of course. But you are more confident.

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