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Christopher Multsanti
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Posted - 2005.09.28 17:46:00 -
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Ok, lets have a discussion.
I get a general feeling from the Eve community that if you want to pvp in a ceptor against a ceptor then you had better be flying on of the following:
Crow, Claw, Taranis, Crusader.
I'll even add that when it comes to inty pvp the following ceptors are second class and should only really be used in a tackling role:
Raptor, Stilleto, Ares, Malediction.
Would this be the case? Are there any statements I have made that are wrong?
So come on, straw pole here, which inty do you prefer for 1v1's against other inty's?
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2005.09.28 17:50:00 -
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raptor and ares suck indeed... but I don't consider the stilleto or the malediction "second class" interceptors...
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Shin Ra
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Posted - 2005.09.28 17:50:00 -
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Your almost right. Malediction can do alright.
Claw really is the bees knees tho for pure 1v1 (IE when u dont need a scrambler)
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Joerd Toastius
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Posted - 2005.09.28 17:55:00 -
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For the Amarr pair at least I get the impression that it very much depends what you want to do. For actual combat, you want a Crusader. For tackling, you're much better off with a Malediction. If you're more fleet-oriented and thus tackle-oriented, it's the Crusader that's second-class and indeed I've heard it referred to as such on many occasions, simply because of the lack of mids.
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Christopher Multsanti
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Posted - 2005.09.28 18:02:00 -
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This topic is heading the way I thought it would tbh.
So lets for example you guys saw a hostile ares in 0.0 and you of course were in "pvp" ceptor you would definatley engage, and maybe even do while screaming "bbq time" on ts?
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Bruchpilot
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Posted - 2005.09.28 18:04:00 -
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Malediction is ok I guess. Stiletto doesn't have the punch and is very fragile, I don't like it much. Raptor lacks PG to be decent. Ares well...
I'd prefer Claw or Crow in an Inty 1on1.
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Ethan Tomlinson
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Posted - 2005.09.28 18:18:00 -
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id engage just about anything in my crow
im only hesitant agaisnt crusaders with ginormous plates
most taranis pilots its easy to stay outside there blasters optimal even with their dual webs
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Mangus Thermopyle
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Posted - 2005.09.28 18:21:00 -
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Its interesting to see the up, down and up again of peoples opinion of crow. I fly one myself, but only for NPC so far. Rockets dont give as good DPS as turrets, but it has the same DPS from 0km to 12km, which is nice (and a rocket never miss, something that turrets will do against interceptors).
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2005.09.28 18:36:00 -
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Stilleto is the best inty tackler.
Malediction is a deacent all-round ceptor.
Ares are cheap.
Raptor? Ugh.
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2005.09.28 22:20:00 -
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 Originally by: Bruchpilot
Stiletto doesn't have the punch and is very fragile, I don't like it much.
...who said stilletos are for punch?
6point scrambling ftw
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Arbenowskee
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Posted - 2005.09.28 22:27:00 -
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Well the thing with intys is, that an inty is as good as it's pilot. So don't underestimate "second-class" ceptors. I've seen some ares pilots do impressive things, heck even i've poped a taranis/crow/crusader/claw or two in raptor :)
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O'Sirius
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Posted - 2005.09.28 22:38:00 -
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I wonder how good my Proph is against inties...
Can med guns( Heavy Pulses in my case ) hit inties orbitting at 12-20km? Will max Motion Prediction make any difference?
Not even sure how far away inties usually orbit at... I know I'll web em if they get closer then 10km. But can they effectivly warp scramble me from farther then that?
Can inties break BC's tank? I have over 70% in armor resists when my hardeners are on, but I still can run Med Repper II forever with 4 in both Cap skills and a 16.5% Cap recharger. Maybe that will change with a Cap Recharger II and 5 in both skills, I dunno.
So what do you guys think?
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Christopher Multsanti
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Posted - 2005.09.28 22:40:00 -
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Originally by: Arbenowskee
Well the thing with intys is, that an inty is as good as it's pilot. So don't underestimate "second-class" ceptors. I've seen some ares pilots do impressive things, heck even i've poped a taranis/crow/crusader/claw or two in raptor :)
Hooray for the best post in this thread.
Exactly the point I was waiting for someone to make.
People that write off certain ceptors because most of the community deem then unworthy. I honestly believe thats just not the case.
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2005.09.28 22:40:00 -
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Originally by: O'Sirius
I wonder how good my Proph is against inties...
Can med guns( Heavy Pulses in my case ) hit inties orbitting at 12-20km? Will max Motion Prediction make any difference?
Not even sure how far away inties usually orbit at... I know I'll web em if they get closer then 10km. But can they effectivly warp scramble me from farther then that?
Can inties break BC's tank? I have over 70% in armor resists when my hardeners are on, but I still can run Med Repper II forever with 4 in both Cap skills and a 16.5% Cap recharger. Maybe that will change with a Cap Recharger II and 5 in both skills, I dunno.
So what do you guys think?
a single inty won't break a good BC tank (afaik).
and you will need a web to hit the inty, even if using focused med pulses.
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FraXy
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Posted - 2005.09.28 22:50:00 -
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Edited by: FraXy on 28/09/2005 22:50:50
I have just started flying ceptors and i was going out solo a few days ago.
I got 3 jumps from starting point and i jumped into system, saw a taranis and started considering. I was in my Malediction with a very questionable loadout with no ceptor 1-vs-1 experience and i just said wtf and leeerooooy`d him, he kicked my ass 3 times over, i thought i had him for a second when i was still in shield and he 50% armor, then he volleyed me down to 50% armor and down to 10% or smth and killed me when he went into structure.
Still very fun and i just noticed this rambling was a bit off-topic, but what i meant to say was that a taranis does scary dmg.... 
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O'Sirius
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Posted - 2005.09.28 22:51:00 -
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Yeh, I'm scared of the damned things. Only counter agaisnt them seems to be other inties and AF's.
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O'Sirius
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Posted - 2005.09.28 23:00:00 -
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Just remembered. Do you guys think 10 light drones can kill an inty?
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2005.09.28 23:21:00 -
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Originally by: O'Sirius
Just remembered. Do you guys think 10 light drones can kill an inty?
if webbed.
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O'Sirius
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Posted - 2005.09.28 23:28:00 -
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!!! You telling me that light drones travelling at 3.8 km/sec and having tracking of 2.43 rad/sec still can't hit an inty? I thought they would just have trouble cause they do like no dmg.
Hm... maybe tech II ones have better luck? They travel at 4.56 km/sec and have tracking of 2.916 rad/sec.
Or are you just saying the inty needs to be webbed or it will be too easy for it to get away from the drones?
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2005.09.29 00:10:00 -
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Originally by: O'Sirius
!!! You telling me that light drones travelling at 3.8 km/sec and having tracking of 2.43 rad/sec still can't hit an inty? I thought they would just have trouble cause they do like no dmg.
Hm... maybe tech II ones have better luck? They travel at 4.56 km/sec and have tracking of 2.916 rad/sec.
Or are you just saying the inty needs to be webbed or it will be too easy for it to get away from the drones?
you'll have to keep the inty in the same place, or else he'll go away.
better option would be warp-jammed too.
...this is taking into consideration how crappy drone AI is atm
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O'Sirius
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Posted - 2005.09.29 00:38:00 -
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Ah, well I don't mind if they go away, just wanna be able to survive one. And sitting there tanking him for 30 mins while he's got me scrambeled while he's calling his buddies up isn't really survivng. So yeh, as long as small drones shoo them off I'm happy. Course if its several inties at once then I have no right to complain if they are able to take me. 2 players are supposed to be worth much more then 1.
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Danny Mepschen
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Posted - 2005.09.29 00:52:00 -
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LoL can somebody tell what "PvP" means?
thx
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Yiggi
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Posted - 2005.09.29 01:01:00 -
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Player versus player. :)
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Ethan Tomlinson
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Posted - 2005.09.29 01:52:00 -
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in a bigger ship i would use mediums against smaller ships it worked for me when i got attacked by a claw and a crow in my megathron. I tanked them and brought out my drones could fly 8 at once and was only setup for npc'ing
had 10 mediums and 6 heavies
I think i had 9 drones left when the claw had to warp out the crow warped out first. like 4 hamerheads and 3 ogres in space 2 ogres in my drone bay :P
I got away but was scared that they called for backup so i logged... /me knows to fit a nos now on his complex setup instead of a stupid heavy launcher...
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2005.09.29 01:55:00 -
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Originally by: O'Sirius
Just remembered. Do you guys think 10 light drones can kill an inty?
No, but they can drive one off in a hurry, if T2
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Kyle Chimko
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Posted - 2005.09.29 01:57:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak
raptor and ares suck indeed... but I don't consider the stilleto or the malediction "second class" interceptors...
i will agree to disagree with this statement.
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Yaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
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Posted - 2005.09.29 02:33:00 -
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Lets just say, my maladiction has no problems dueling two interceptors at the same time and comming out a winner so its all how you run your setup and fly.
But please lets not mix our Apples and Oranges, Each race has a dogfighter, and a tackeler.
Amar
Crusader = Dogfighter 4 lows (*cough damage mods cough* 4 pulse lazers) 2 mids, So your mwd/ab pick one, and a webby or a scrambler or something else diabolicle, the choice i leave up to you.
Maladiction = tackeler, doesn't do the damage of the dogfighters, but by virtue of being able to 2 toys in addition to your mwd/ab makes them better for group engagements.
Don't try and compare em, You want to say whats the best dogfighter?
Taranis, if you disagree with me your wrong. Check the killboards these things are scary.
Best tackeler?
Raptor/Maladiction
The reason I say raptor is cause its got 4 mids... so you can fit a CR or an injector for when your getting nossed to keep your scramblers and webbers going.
Or some jamming equipment, pick your flavor, its more flexability for when flying in a group. I think the maladiction is a solid rig, bloody fast, decent HP.
Again tho. so much depends on fittings and the tatics of the guy flying the ship.
Hell kestrals can kill crows when fitted right........ so whatever lol.
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DrunkenOne
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Posted - 2005.09.29 03:03:00 -
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Edited by: DrunkenOne on 29/09/2005 03:03:32
Originally by: Christopher Multsanti
Originally by: Arbenowskee
Well the thing with intys is, that an inty is as good as it's pilot. So don't underestimate "second-class" ceptors. I've seen some ares pilots do impressive things, heck even i've poped a taranis/crow/crusader/claw or two in raptor :)
Hooray for the best post in this thread.
Exactly the point I was waiting for someone to make.
People that write off certain ceptors because most of the community deem then unworthy. I honestly believe thats just not the case.
Look. A good pilot in a bad inty (ares, raptor) will kill a clueless pilot in a good inty. This doesn't mean that an ares or raptor doesn't suck, it means the other pilot does. I'm sure that a specialized raptor setup could kill a claw, but that isn't a normal setup.
The raptor and ares suck. You simply cannot argue with this. Several t1 frigs are better than them. I'd be more scared of a incursus rifter punisher or kestral than an ares or raptor.
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Linavin
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Posted - 2005.09.29 04:02:00 -
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Edited by: Linavin on 29/09/2005 04:02:20
Edited by: Linavin on 29/09/2005 04:02:04
Originally by: Yaarrr
The reason I say raptor is cause its got 4 mids
Since when? 
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Sorja
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Posted - 2005.09.29 04:41:00 -
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It has been suggested that one ceptor of each race could have a scrambling bonus.
I still like that idea, being mostly a fleet pilot.
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