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MOS DEF	Posted - 2005.09.29 09:53:00 - [31] If you are not solo the malediction does quite well. It's good as a tackler. It's a bit sad that a Taranis can do the same job as well while being a great inty vs. inty ship as well. I still prefer the malediction over the crusader most of the time because it's far more useful to the gang. +4 scrambling strengh is a must in these sick "i stab up my BS before i enter a fight" times.
Stumpydageeza	Posted - 2005.09.29 12:01:00 - [32] Noobie question, But im looking into getting a ceptor... probably crow... but im wondering what it can actually take down in PvP?? Is a T1 cruiser the best it can take out on it's own??? I know theres the whole 'set-up' problem... but im just asking what CAN be taken out in a ceptor!?!? Tar!
MOS DEF	Posted - 2005.09.29 12:32:00 - [33] Originally by: Stumpydageeza Noobie question, But im looking into getting a ceptor... probably crow... but im wondering what it can actually take down in PvP?? Is a T1 cruiser the best it can take out on it's own??? I know theres the whole 'set-up' problem... but im just asking what CAN be taken out in a ceptor!?!? Tar! Attacking T1 cruisers really isn't what an inty does usually. Sure you can try on some and might even win but most will just own ya. I still hope i meet a stupid person attacking my rax in an inty but noone is that stupid i think. :) You could kill a cruiser with small dronebay that is equipped with guns that have bad tracking. IMO the main use of the inty is being a tackler in agang. You make it possible for others to destroy your target. Sure some inties can be setup so they can kill some AF. Intys also own frigs pretty easy in 1Vs1. You can also go pop indies.
Kaeten	Posted - 2005.09.29 12:35:00 - [34] rocket plate crow > all other intys
Stumpydageeza	Posted - 2005.09.29 12:41:00 - [35] Thanks. Always wondered!
E'rdeh	Posted - 2005.09.29 13:25:00 - [36] taranis in good hands is teh ****s. possible 200DPS just tells the story.. only a rocketplate crow can do anything against it, but it means u have to be setup-lucky and stay away from close range. for you, MOS DEF - yesturday took down a Rax in 3 septors, he didnt really hit much, but drones got 2 of us to warp in and out bcos of half armor.. so its mostly about drones. anyway, what do i know, i fly raptor :) partly bcos i hate mainstream boats, partly bcos i love to see a crow/taranis guy in a pod staring at my raptor that was supposed to be second class =), and partly bcos nomather how good u are, u still die often when pvp'ing, and u lose half the money in a raptor.. cheerz --
DrunkenOne	Posted - 2005.09.29 14:38:00 - [37] Originally by: E'rdeh taranis in good hands is teh ****s. possible 200DPS just tells the story.. only a rocketplate crow can do anything against it, but it means u have to be setup-lucky and stay away from close range. autoclaw > blasteranis. Its basically Crow > claw > taranis, but a well flown long range crusader can own any of them, as long as it keeps in scramble range but out of web range.
MOS DEF	Posted - 2005.09.29 16:05:00 - [38] Originally by: E'rdeh taranis in good hands is teh ****s. possible 200DPS just tells the story.. only a rocketplate crow can do anything against it, but it means u have to be setup-lucky and stay away from close range. for you, MOS DEF - yesturday took down a Rax in 3 septors, he didnt really hit much, but drones got 2 of us to warp in and out bcos of half armor.. so its mostly about drones. anyway, what do i know, i fly raptor :) partly bcos i hate mainstream boats, partly bcos i love to see a crow/taranis guy in a pod staring at my raptor that was supposed to be second class =), and partly bcos nomather how good u are, u still die often when pvp'ing, and u lose half the money in a raptor.. cheerz Yeah of course. But he talked about solo i think. 2 corp mates took down a muninn in a maledictiona nd a crow today.
Grimpak	Posted - 2005.09.29 16:08:00 - [39] Originally by: MOS DEF Originally by: E'rdeh taranis in good hands is teh **s. possible 200DPS just tells the story.. only a rocketplate crow can do anything against it, but it means u have to be setup-lucky and stay away from close range. for you, MOS DEF - yesturday took down a Rax in 3 septors, he didnt really hit much, but drones got 2 of us to warp in and out bcos of half armor.. so its mostly about drones. anyway, what do i know, i fly raptor :) partly bcos i hate mainstream boats, partly bcos i love to see a crow/taranis guy in a pod staring at my raptor that was supposed to be second class =), and partly bcos nomather how good u are, u still die often when pvp'ing, and u lose half the money in a raptor.. cheerz Yeah of course. But he talked about solo i think. 2 corp mates took down a muninn in a maledictiona nd a crow today. 5 isk in fraxy was the maled pilot (and no, I didn't checked the killboard) ------------------- Celestial Horizon*: we go zerg on you*
Christopher Multsanti	Posted - 2005.09.29 22:40:00 - [40] Originally by: DrunkenOne Edited by: DrunkenOne on 29/09/2005 03:03:32 Originally by: Christopher Multsanti Originally by: Arbenowskee Well the thing with intys is, that an inty is as good as it's pilot. So don't underestimate "second-class" ceptors. I've seen some ares pilots do impressive things, heck even i've poped a taranis/crow/crusader/claw or two in raptor :) Hooray for the best post in this thread. Exactly the point I was waiting for someone to make. People that write off certain ceptors because most of the community deem then unworthy. I honestly believe thats just not the case. Look. A good pilot in a bad inty (ares, raptor) will kill a clueless pilot in a good inty. This doesn't mean that an ares or raptor doesn't suck, it means the other pilot does. I'm sure that a specialized raptor setup could kill a claw, but that isn't a normal setup. The raptor and ares suck. You simply cannot argue with this. Several t1 frigs are better than them. I'd be more scared of a incursus rifter punisher or kestral than an ares or raptor. I want to test your theory. I am not saying that I am right, but I really want to test my ares set up agaisnt your standard claw set up before the next patch. Just to see if it's a close fight or comeplete walkover by your claw. Thorax FTW!
Yaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr	Posted - 2005.09.30 01:26:00 - [41] Originally by: Linavin Edited by: Linavin on 29/09/2005 04:02:20 Edited by: Linavin on 29/09/2005 04:02:04 Originally by: Yaarrr The reason I say raptor is cause its got 4 mids Since when? haha since i posted after having Too many BEvERages Stiletto not raptor Stiletto sorry. Drinking for the loose lol
Caanan	Posted - 2005.09.30 01:38:00 - [42] Its really the pilot I think. I've killed plate/rocket crows, crusaders, other taranises. Crows and claws are really the only thing I fear. Its the crows that run away out of my range that my taranis suffers against, even if I'm using rails. Claws are just really durable and pack a punch. Plus my taranis is slow. However I think the damage on it is greater than any other inty. I have wrecked with 125mm IIs for 230 dmg.
Lucian Alucard	Posted - 2005.09.30 05:27:00 - [43] Since I have been flying inties alot lately, I have noticed alot of Autoclaws,plate/rocket crows and blasteranises. Best way for one inty to counter one of these set ups is usually out range them so like 125mm rails on a Taranis,dual light beams on a crusader or a Claw with 280s, I tend to fly the Amar inties since I like the slot and grid configurations. A malediction is a nimble and powerful Ewar plateform and can be used for more then just tackling while still set for max damage,but the Malediction is a inty that requires being in teams to work right. If you have say a 6 man amar inty gang you get 4 saders,2 maledictions,2 saders set with 10km+ webs and 2 set with scramblers and the maledictions use tracking disruptors/sensor damps or racial jammers. Rocket crows can't use fofs its possible for a Malediction with a Ewar set up could pop it 1v1. Ewar is a form of passive aggressive defense,used right on any level of combat it easily can turn the tide in your favor. ......so say I Lucian Alucard of the blood line blah blah blah blah no one really cares anymore! The best joke ever!!!! [url]http://www.livejournal.com/users/sweet__kitty/40953.html?mode=reply
Bazman	Posted - 2005.09.30 13:49:00 - [44] I'd rate the Claw and Taranis above the Crow as for value for PVPing. You can set up The Claw and Taranis in a multitude of ways, the only way to make a Crow decent for inty vs inty is to use a plate + rockets. If they don't use a plate setup, you'll chew it up and spit it out with the other ceptors.

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