Your not getting the CE for PLEX. It's simply not going to happen.

/end thread

It's always funny to see how things 'happen' when there is demand for them, and it involves making additional money. You are ruling out the possibility strictly because you do not want to see it happen, however, if CCP were to offer the CE, for plex, where the CE came at a cost of over 10 plex (assuming 15$ per plex, I don't know what the cheapest plex goes for these days, adjust the number of plex accordingly), CCP would stand to gain more revenue, than if they sold the CE for cash alone. CCP is running a business, and at the end of teh day, profit is king.

It doesnt make financial sense for CCP to do this. People would sell them on ebay for a low price and therefore CCP wouldn't get money for them. Basic economics tells you this is not going to happen enless CCP are feeling really generous. But even then it stinks of RMTing and I cant see CCP supporting that.

Spend ISK, get PLEX
Spend PLEX, get CE
Sell CE items, get ISK > original ISK
Repeat.

And there's a good reason NOT to have CE for PLEX

It doesnt make financial sense for CCP to do this. People would sell them on ebay for a low price and therefore CCP wouldn't get money for them. Basic economics tells you this is not going to happen enless CCP are feeling really generous. But even then it stinks of RMTing and I cant see CCP supporting that.

Very much limited.

Hah. Last few posts make it obvious people don't actually read the thread before writing their walls of text. Like I said slightt miscalculation on my part, CCP would not lose any money due to this.

I'm not sure what is worse, my miscalculation, or peoples lack of reading ability.

Making it buyable via PLEX is basicly giving it away for free, as someone has already bought the PLEX and put it on the market.

What you just said. How is it being given away for free when the PLEX used to buy it is in tself bought from CCP.

What you just said. How is it being given away for free when the PLEX used to buy it is in tself bought from CCP.

Cause CCP already has the cash for the PLEX. They've made their profit. By making the CE buyable via PLEX it's basicly reducing the profit on the sale of the PLEX in the first place. They're much better off selling it seperate for cash.

Example:
1 - Person buys PLEX, CCP gets cash, someone buys for isk.
2 - Person buys PLEX, CCP gets cash, someone buys for isk - uses to get CE, CCP loses cash.

Example 1 gets them cash from PLEX and CE (assuming they want to buy it). Example 2 just loses them cash from the sales of the CE, as they already have the cash for the PLEXs.

Like i've already said, its not like people are going to suddenly start buying more PLEX to help out randoms that want to get the CE via PLEX.

Allow me to take you through it, step by step, with a nice hypothetical.

Introducting Mark. He's a big shot CEO of some global corporation. He makes cash, hand over fist, but is far too busy outsourcing jobs to China to have time to grind isk. He decides to spend his cash on 12 PLEX, CCP makes -ú179. He sells these in game for isk.

Introducing Luke. He's an overweight jobless middle-aged man still living in his parents basement. He's also the leader of a grand nullsec alliance, making isk hand over fist from moon-goo.

Now, assuming Luke wants to buy the CE, two things can happen.

1- If things remain as they are now, he's forced to buy it using cash, likely scrounged from his parents. So CCP has made -ú150! This is in addition to their PLEX sales. Mark didn't care where or what those PLEX were bought for, he just wanted the isk.

2 -If things were changed to that the CE could be bought via PLEX, thats no issue for isk-rich Luke. He gives Mark the isk for the PLEX he put on the market. So CCP effectively loses -ú150 they could have earned if the CE was exclusively available via cash.

In the first instance CCP gets -ú179 AND -ú150.
In the second CCP gets -ú179 MINUS -ú150.

Okay first of all what's Luke buying PLEX for if not for the CE? That's right, game time. 360 fat days of it, an entire year. If that game time isn't being added to his account then where is it going? It's being removed from the game that's where if he buys the CE.

So in the first instance yes, CCP gets -ú179 from PLEX sales and -ú150 from Luke for the CE.

However in the second instance, CCP again gets -ú179 from PLEX sales. Which Luke buys off the market using his hard earned ISK. Now Luke has one of two options

1. Convert 12 PLEX in to 360 days game time
2. Spend 12 PLEX to purchase the CE at the EXPENSE of 360 days game time.

If Luke chooses option 1 then he doesn't need to pay CCP for an entire year for anything if he chooses to.

If Luke chooses option 2 then he will have his precious CE but at the expense of 360 days game time which HE IS GOING TO HAVE TO BUY FROM CCP OR BUY ANOTHER 12 PLEX OFF THE MARKET. Caps for emphasising point.

You realise that CCP Spitfire has already confirmed that the Collectors Edition WILL be Limited right?

So your counter-arguement boils down to that CCP will make this money anyways over the long-term subscription on our theoretical Luke, assuming he doesn't rage-quit of course. But you're forgetting that the PLEX has already been bought. CCP has already made their profit there. It makes them more profit to make the CE only buyable with cash. This isn't even taking into account the production costs of the CE itself. It's impossible for them to make a 100% profit.

I'll give it one final shot before giving up. There's only so many times I can facepalm.

Lets assume it costs them like -ú50 to produce the CE, so that would be -ú100 per unit sold.

Lets assume they are only selling 50 of them. Lets also assume that it takes about 12 PLEX to buy one CE. (12 = -ú179)

I'm not sure i can make this any clearer. From a pure-profit perspective, it makes much more sense to sell them for cash only. Your arguements about it boosting PLEX sales, and peoples continued subscription making up the differences doesn't work.

Considering the limited nature of the collectors edition, and just how many players have ludicrous amounts of isk, i for one am glad that it isn't available via PLEX. Plus its a way to show your support and love for the game, and nothing says that more than cold, hard cash

And unlike some people not all of us are currently employed nor do we all have -ú150 disposable income to drop on what is essentially a rifter shaped hub, without a plex option i wont be purchasing it pure and simple as there is no other way for ME to purchase it, atleast not legally, so i would love to see a plex option, do i realistically think it will happen? hell no, doesn't mean i dont want it though ;)

So... what?

The government hands out internet access stamps with the food stamps now?

And if you don't have the $150, you don't get the CE. Just like you don't get the Ferrari that's on sale or the Rolex. It sucks, but that's life in a capitalist society.

Mr Epeen

except that it takes money to buy plexes

Of course it does. Just not yours. You still want the CE for no cash outlay.

What CCP is requesting, is that the people getting the CE are the ones paying out of pocket for it. That may change and I expect it will if there are not enough sales for cash.

But for now, you either pony up the bucks or whine in the forum about how unfair it is.

Mr Epeen

I think it's a little too late to be drawing lines for such similar exchanges.

I can't disagree, Major.

CCP got way out of hand with this. They should have kept PLEX as PLEX and used AUR for the video cards , admission to events and the rest of it. At least then their years of work to implement the Noble Exchange would not have been a total waste.

But I will still champion the cause, as futile as it might be.

Mr Epeen