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Old Fellow
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
11
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Posted - 2013.04.29 17:15:00 -
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I would like to purchase the collectors edition for plex please, ccp and here are my reasons why.
1. I have a surplus of isk and a very regulated supply of dollars, my bank (my wife) does not approve of the 150$ dollar ammount for game crap, but would be quite impressed with me for buying it with solely game currency.
2. It would MEAN alot more to me if I actually had to make enough isk in game for me to buy it, rather then just throwing money at it and getting it actually putting in work to get the item would make me cherish it much more.
3. I would be willing to purchase it for as many as 15 plex even though that would be severely over paying for it, because of how much more it would mean to me.
4. It will increase the value of plex because some people like me would buy plex solely to own it thus making plexes more profitable to thus who buy them for more ingame isk.
Thank you |

Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
2413
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Posted - 2013.04.29 17:22:00 -
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In a lot of the F2P game forums I haunt, you find self important little dweebs that feel their opinion is too grand just to post in an existing thread so they start their own.
It pains me to see that becoming more common here.
Mr Epeen  There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |

Old Fellow
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
11
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Posted - 2013.04.29 17:29:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:In a lot of the F2P game forums I haunt, you find self important little dweebs that feel their opinion is too grand just to post in an existing thread so they start their own. It pains me to see that becoming more common here. Mr Epeen 
I thought about posting in the thread TITLED Do not make collectors edition plexable (or something similar to that) but felt like posting in that thread would inadherently make it seem like I supported that notion by increasing that threads popularity.
SO in summary I made this thread, because posting in that thread was misleading with the title it has |

Danni stark
1
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Posted - 2013.04.29 17:32:00 -
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Old Fellow wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:In a lot of the F2P game forums I haunt, you find self important little dweebs that feel their opinion is too grand just to post in an existing thread so they start their own. It pains me to see that becoming more common here. Mr Epeen  I thought about posting in the thread TITLED Do not make collectors edition plexable (or something similar to that) but felt like posting in that thread would inadherently make it seem like I supported that notion by increasing that threads popularity. SO in summary I made this thread, because posting in that thread was misleading with the title it has
confirming threads only contain one side of a story and nothing else. Yay, this account hasn't had it's signature banned. or it's account, if you're reading this. |

Old Fellow
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
11
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Posted - 2013.04.29 17:40:00 -
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Danni stark wrote:Old Fellow wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:In a lot of the F2P game forums I haunt, you find self important little dweebs that feel their opinion is too grand just to post in an existing thread so they start their own. It pains me to see that becoming more common here. Mr Epeen  I thought about posting in the thread TITLED Do not make collectors edition plexable (or something similar to that) but felt like posting in that thread would inadherently make it seem like I supported that notion by increasing that threads popularity. SO in summary I made this thread, because posting in that thread was misleading with the title it has confirming threads only contain one side of a story and nothing else.
Probably could have posted it in another thread but, I like my one sided thread better
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
2413
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Posted - 2013.04.29 17:55:00 -
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I will say one thing. The marketing dept is getting more savvy to the ways of selling for maximum return.
I suspect that once the cash cow has been milked dry, they will offer a PLEX option.
Mr Epeen  There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |

Arronicus
Shadows of Vorlon The Marmite Collective
597
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Posted - 2013.04.29 17:56:00 -
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I do just love, when people are so butthurt and upset about the topic of a thread, and the idea that it is putting forward, that they make some attempt to dismiss the threads validity, by saying that the OP should have posted elsewhere.
It makes me truly happy, to see people like Mr. Epeen stooping to such levels.
Old Fellow, pay him no mind. While you might post a rebuttal in the 'don't make it available for plex' thread, it doesn't make much sense for you to hide your support for allowing it to happen, within that thread, where your support will be seen as a postcount against it. This is the right place for it. I do hope they go through with allowing you to exchange plex for it. Afterall, they're still getting paid the same. |

Old Fellow
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
11
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Posted - 2013.04.29 18:34:00 -
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Arronicus wrote:I do just love, when people are so butthurt and upset about the topic of a thread, and the idea that it is putting forward, that they make some attempt to dismiss the threads validity, by saying that the OP should have posted elsewhere.
It makes me truly happy, to see people like Mr. Epeen stooping to such levels.
Old Fellow, pay him no mind. While you might post a rebuttal in the 'don't make it available for plex' thread, it doesn't make much sense for you to hide your support for allowing it to happen, within that thread, where your support will be seen as a postcount against it. This is the right place for it. I do hope they go through with allowing you to exchange plex for it. Afterall, they're still getting paid the same.
Exactly ccp is still getting paid (maybe even more so depending on how many plexs are required. |

mechtech
Ice Liberation Army
337
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Posted - 2013.04.29 18:38:00 -
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Are you kidding?!
This would literally be RMT. People could cash out PLEX, and resell the collectors edition for $100 on ebay.
It's imperative that real life dollars can only flow in to Eve, and not out, because it's when people can make real world profit from the game that nasty side effects start to happen (bots, hacking, etc in order to accumulate black market PLEX to cash out for real dollars).
PLEX for collectors edition would set a very dangerous precedent, and it would undermine years of work from the security team to stop all forms of "cashing out". These offers would be used by every RMT operation in Eve to cash out all of their isk legitimately instead of going through isk selling avenues that take time and often get accounts banned. Even if the Collector's Edition sold for $50-$75, it would still be an attractive option for RMT operations. It might seem farfetched, but this is what would happen... |

Old Fellow
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
11
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Posted - 2013.04.29 18:42:00 -
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mechtech wrote:Are you kidding?!
This would literally be RMT. People could cash out PLEX, and resell the collectors edition for $100 on ebay.
It's imperative that real life dollars can only flow in to Eve, and not out, because it's when people can make real world profit from the game that nasty side effects start to happen (bots, hacking, etc in order to accumulate black market PLEX to cash out for real dollars).
PLEX for collectors edition would set a very dangerous precedent, and it would undermine years of work from the security team to stop all forms of "cashing out".
Except real life money would only flow into the game for this, you skip an important step if your theory of rmt.
Plex is bought wiht real money= plex can be traded for collectors edition
So if everyone wanted to cash out isk for plex for the collectors edition. Then PLEX would sky rocket, meaning the isk value would drop per plex, meaning more isk goes to those who PAY MONEY for the plex. In reality more money would come into the game then would leave it. |
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Sentamon
871
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Posted - 2013.04.29 18:44:00 -
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mechtech wrote: It's imperative that real life dollars can only flow in to Eve, and not out, because it's when people can make real world profit from the game that nasty side effects start to happen (bots, hacking, etc in order to accumulate black market PLEX to cash out for real dollars).
These things already happen, so I don't exactly see your point. As a matter of fact they happen more because ingame currency is treated as worthless. When we reach the point in MMOs where ingame currency assets are treated as property then considerably more powerful real life laws will apply and hackers as an example will face real life serious consequences for theft that they don't have to deal with now.
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Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
1063
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Posted - 2013.04.29 18:46:00 -
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Remember, there has already been a PLEX for video card offer from fanfest last year. |

JetOne
SONIC ONE
0
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Posted - 2013.04.29 18:57:00 -
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Having given away 4 great Titan Graphics Cards to the 4 people at FanFest who had been continuous subscribers since day one....Why not have CCP appreciate such a commitment by the other players. For example, if you get to 10 years of continuous subscriptions of EVE without any gaps.....how about 'giving' those accounts the gift of a Collectors Edition....After all 10 years of continuous commitment and support should be recognized and with much of the collectors edition being digital assets I think it would be a great way to show thanks for very little outlay......
BTW.....Great FanFest 2013 CCP....looking forward to see my name on the monument in Reykjavik next time.!
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Nix Anteris
Bite Me inc Bitten.
27
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Posted - 2013.04.29 19:10:00 -
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Spend ISK, get PLEX Spend PLEX, get CE Sell CE items, get ISK > original ISK Repeat.
And there's a good reason NOT to have CE for PLEX |

Hessian Arcturus
S.W.O.R.D. Navy
52
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Posted - 2013.04.29 19:25:00 -
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It is like I tried to say in my forum post (the one titled "dont sell ce for plex")
People that buy plex with in game isk, not the people who bought the plex in the first place with rl money (why buy plex for money to redeem it via CE, why not just buy the CE for rl money) that will buy plex in game, technically getting the CE for free and then sell it at a price...
Also note that it is a limited edition collectors edition, therefore they could buy it in game for plex that thdy bought with isk then sell it for rl money at an upmarketed price... Wham, they just got the CE for free and then decided to sell it for a +100% profit... It's human nature to want to explore. To find your line and go beyond it. The only limit, is the one you set yourself. |

Thomas Builder
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.04.29 19:40:00 -
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Given that you will be able to trade the CE ships on the market and can thus already be bought for ISK, I fail to see why you'd need the option to buy them with a PLEX.
Just buy them on the market. |

Old Fellow
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
12
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Posted - 2013.04.29 19:52:00 -
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Nix Anteris wrote:Spend ISK, get PLEX Spend PLEX, get CE Sell CE items, get ISK > original ISK Repeat.
And there's a good reason NOT to have CE for PLEX
Lets say it will cost 15 plex for the collectors edition
15 plex (at the very least) will be about 7.5 billion isk
Items from the collectors edition
Gold pod skin (of which I am not sure if it will even be available to trade in game) might cost 1 billion isk 5 run bpc for gnosis (since everyone is getting a regular gnosis, and this will only make the same gnosis after adding minerals to it) might be about 500 mil for that Special thrasher maybe 200 mil
SO thats at the most 1.7 billion in virtual goods, and I spent about 7.5 billion to get those, I dont see how I will be making a profit. |

Nex Killer
Drunk3n Warfare
24
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Posted - 2013.04.29 20:20:00 -
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There is about 6 months till the CE ships how about for that 6 months you save $25 a month and when it ships you'll have the $150 for the CE. You don't have to buy it now because there isn't a limit to how many they're making like some games do. So even if you buy it 8 months down the road they'll still have them. I'm a college student I don't have the money for one atm but I'm going to try and save some here and there and maybe in 8 months I can buy one. |

Rebecha Pucontis
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
239
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Posted - 2013.04.29 20:21:00 -
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Your not getting the CE for PLEX. It's simply not going to happen.
/end thread |

Rebecha Pucontis
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
239
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Posted - 2013.04.29 20:22:00 -
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Nex Killer wrote:There is about 6 months till the CE ships how about for that 6 months you save $25 a month and when it ships you'll have the $150 for the CE. You don't have to buy it now because there isn't a limit to how many they're making like some games do. So even if you buy it 8 months down the road they'll still have them. I'm a college student I don't have the money for one atm but I'm going to try and save some here and there and maybe in 8 months I can buy one.
Are you sure that is correct? Have they confirmed when they are going to stop taking pre orders? Would be nice to have a date as like you say can spread the payments across multiple months that way. |
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Eddie Meth
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
6
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Posted - 2013.04.29 20:23:00 -
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But why not CE for PLEX? There was EON for plex, only real explaination would be risk of PLEX spike. But didn't we have it before? Month and everything will be in order again. |

Rebecha Pucontis
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
239
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Posted - 2013.04.29 20:27:00 -
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Eddie Meth wrote:But why not CE for PLEX? There was EON for plex, only real explaination would be risk of PLEX spike. But didn't we have it before? Month and everything will be in order again.
It doesnt make financial sense for CCP to do this. People would sell them on ebay for a low price and therefore CCP wouldn't get money for them. Basic economics tells you this is not going to happen enless CCP are feeling really generous. But even then it stinks of RMTing and I cant see CCP supporting that. |

Nex Killer
Drunk3n Warfare
24
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Posted - 2013.04.29 21:18:00 -
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Rebecha Pucontis wrote:Nex Killer wrote:There is about 6 months till the CE ships how about for that 6 months you save $25 a month and when it ships you'll have the $150 for the CE. You don't have to buy it now because there isn't a limit to how many they're making like some games do. So even if you buy it 8 months down the road they'll still have them. I'm a college student I don't have the money for one atm but I'm going to try and save some here and there and maybe in 8 months I can buy one. Are you sure that is correct? Have they confirmed when they are going to stop taking pre orders? Would be nice to have a date as like you say can spread the payments across multiple months that way.
On the Eve store website it says "THIS ITEM IS ON PRESALE AND WILL BE SHIPPED IN OCTOBER 2013" and "Presale available from: 01.10.2013" It doesn't say anything about a limit plus when they talked about it on the stream at fanfest I didn't hear anything about a limit. So you should be fine even if you order it a year down the road.
https://store.eve.com/collector-s-edition/eve-the-second-decade-collector-s-edition-116 |

Ember Saint
Time-Lost Proto-Drake
8
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Posted - 2013.04.29 23:45:00 -
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Rebecha Pucontis wrote:It doesnt make financial sense for CCP to do this. People would sell them on ebay for a low price and therefore CCP wouldn't get money for them. Basic economics tells you this is not going to happen enless CCP are feeling really generous. Plain wrong, (nearly) every PLEX exists because someone paid CCP for it to exist. If the CE costs 12 PLEX, CCP get to despawn 12 PLEX (and thus despawn the obligation to accept it as payment for 12x 30 days of game time). Even if someone is bad enough to eBay the CE for 10$, CCP would have been still paid in full for every CE in existence. |

Michael Stabb
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
17
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Posted - 2013.04.30 00:13:00 -
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Rebecha Pucontis wrote:. Basic economics
"Basic economics" can go frack itself when you don't know where PLEX come form. |

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
10828
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Posted - 2013.04.30 00:15:00 -
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Michael Stabb wrote:Rebecha Pucontis wrote:. Basic economics "Basic economics" can go frack itself when you don't know when PLEX come form.
*Where  "Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á |

Michael Stabb
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
17
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Posted - 2013.04.30 00:16:00 -
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Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:Michael Stabb wrote:Rebecha Pucontis wrote:. Basic economics "Basic economics" can go frack itself when you don't know when PLEX come form. *Where  *From
>_> <_<
I don't know what you're talking about. |

Hobgo Togenada
Tinfoil Hat Club
10
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Posted - 2013.04.30 00:26:00 -
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Old Fellow wrote:I would like to purchase the collectors edition for plex please, ccp and here are my reasons why.
1. I would like to do RMT without the banhammer risk. See, I have a surplus of ISK, I actually use ISK for toilet paper. But with CCPs strict code of RMT, I'd like to sell off alot of this ISK. So, I'd like it if CCP allows IRL merchandise to be purchased with an ingame currency. Just to I can sell it in IRL, thus circumventing any "wrongdoing and bannable" offense against me nor my accts!
Thank you
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Rebecha Pucontis
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
240
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Posted - 2013.04.30 00:31:00 -
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Ember Saint wrote:Rebecha Pucontis wrote:It doesnt make financial sense for CCP to do this. People would sell them on ebay for a low price and therefore CCP wouldn't get money for them. Basic economics tells you this is not going to happen enless CCP are feeling really generous. Plain wrong, (nearly) every PLEX exists because someone paid CCP for it to exist. If the CE costs 12 PLEX, CCP get to despawn 12 PLEX (and thus despawn the obligation to accept it as payment for 12x 30 days of game time). Even if someone is bad enough to eBay the CE for 10$, CCP would have been still paid in full for every CE in existence. Ah yes, sorry my incorrect calculation there. You are correct.
But still don't think they would do is because of the RMT issues. |

FluffyDice
Kronos Research
550
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Posted - 2013.04.30 02:15:00 -
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Rebecha Pucontis wrote:But still don't think they would do is because of the RMT issues. Even after they sold graphics cards for PLEX? |
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