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Ante
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Posted - 2005.09.30 01:07:00 -
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 Originally by: Denrace
By the way:
Zealot cant tank your drones, and dies most likely before it kills you. You will probably suck his cap, Heavy Beams/Pulse use crap loads of cap.
Say what? Heavy Pulse IIs on an Amarr ship use less cap than medium blasters or rails. Get your facts straight. These kind of shoddy arguments destroy the validity of your thread.
Originally by: Denrace
Cerberus will die to your drones VERY QUICKLY, while dealing out easily tankable damage.
What's a Cerberus doing in range? I doubt you could tank the damage the Cerberus is dealing out anyway, not to mention it can take your drones out fairly easily.
Originally by: Denrace
Vagabond - not too sure, probably down to who has better fittings (faction etc)
Vagabond + drones = dead drones. After that the Ishtar is mince meat.
Originally by: Denrace
Muninn - easily jammed. Poor tank. i agree, ishtar would eat one up probably.
Same here. Autocannons will chew through the drones then the Ishtar. If the Muninn is set up with artillery then of course it's going to die.
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Deimos - your kinetic/therm ressies will save your ass. probably a stalemate here. a ganked deimos cant tank for much really.
A ganked Deimos can deal out upwards of 900 raw dps. Wanna do some calculations to prove you can tank that much? Ishtar only has so much health.
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Posted - 2005.09.30 01:53:00 -
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Edited by: Ante on 30/09/2005 01:53:27
Originally by: Meridius
Nope, like most of his post it's bs.
And like most of your posts this one was not constructive. Put up or shut up.
EDIT: That is to say prove me wrong or don't bag me.
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Posted - 2005.09.30 02:05:00 -
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OK.
Heavy Ion Blaster II
3.375 x 1.25 (med hybrid) x 1.25 (ship bonus) x 1.1 (blaster spec) x 1.15 (surgical strike) x (1.1 x 1.09 etc) (damage mods; not 100% sure on stacking penalty but 6x mag stab II) x 1.05 (+5% imp for 15m) = ~11 damage mod
4.5 x .9 (gunnery) x .8 (rapid fire) x (.895 x .91 etc) (damage mods) = ~1.9 rof.
Assume 11x and 1.9 second rof rounded. Antimatter M charge does 14 kinetic and 10 thermal damage.
11 x 14 + 11 x 10 = 264 damage x 5 blasters = 1320 damage divided by 1.9 rof = 694.
7368421 raw dps.
Then add 4x t2 heavy drones.
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Posted - 2005.09.30 02:16:00 -
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Quite happy to admit I'm wrong if you can find something fundamentally wrong with that.
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Posted - 2005.09.30 02:47:00 -
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Edited by: Ante on 30/09/2005 02:51:07
Originally by: Meridius
(please don't give me that oh but i was close crap, all arguments in a thread of this nature have to be 100% factual otherwise there is no point posting anything constructive)
Could not agree more. Mind quoting where I claimed that the Deimos could do 900 raw dps as fact? I said "upwards of".
Originally by: jamesw
is there enough grid to fit an mwd onto that?
Yes, with 129 grid to spare, not including advanced weapon upgrades.
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Posted - 2005.09.30 02:58:00 -
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Originally by: Jim Raynor
778dps
but when you are in your deimos what is your exact rof and exact dmg mod when using all mag stab IIs?
Exactly? I'm not sure. I don't have 6 mag stab IIs and am not in an area I can easily come across them.
If the rumours are true though then Thoraxs will be able to fit 5x Heavy Neutron IIs + gank fit after Mk II.
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Posted - 2005.09.30 03:01:00 -
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Originally by: Meridius
Originally by: Ante
Could not agree more. Mind quoting where I claimed that the Deimos could do 900 raw dps as fact? I said "upwards of".
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Upwards of 900. Meaning it peaks at 900?
You don't see anything wrong with that statement when (if rays numbers are right) it does 778 DPS.
If you want to be such a pedant consider wrecking hits.
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Posted - 2005.09.30 03:23:00 -
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Originally by: Jim Raynor
sure if you consider misses and barely scratches.
If you're talking raw dps you don't consider misses yet you do consider % critical hit.
Originally by: Jim Raynor
since you're such a deimos expert come back when you know your exact ROF and exact DMG mod using 6 mag stab IIs, till then I have no idea how to calculate the actual DPS of a Deimos, if you are doing your math without stacking penalty reduction it's probably way off.
What is up with these puerile arguments? You don't need to be a Deimos expert to do basic multiplication and addition. You're grasping at straws here...
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Posted - 2005.09.30 03:31:00 -
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Originally by: Jim Raynor
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What is up with these puerile arguments? You don't need to be a Deimos expert to do basic multiplication and addition. You're grasping at straws here...
No, I don't know exactly how to do the math considering the stacking penalty on damage mods, nor do you, so I suggest you fit 6 of them on your ship, 5 heavy ion IIs, and then factor the DPS, cause if you don't the DPS you came up with is probably wrong.
Apologies if you think I'm talking about the stacking penalty. I was referring to the tone of that final paragraph.
As I said I'm not 100% sure on the penalty but my calculations are based on the reduction in the bonus for stacking 3 damage mods and extrapolating. I will, however, find out how much exactly 6 t2 mods will boost guns by for you.
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Posted - 2005.09.30 03:39:00 -
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Originally by: Necrologic
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7¦ If other HACs get a boost to bring them inline with the Ishtar, I really don't know what should be done with Caldari HACs
Heheh, yeah. Also if other hacs got boosted instead the would be too strong compared to bs.
Interesting cycle that would be; bs > ishtar > other hacs > bs...
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Posted - 2005.09.30 04:14:00 -
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Originally by: Deja Thoris
Lmao. 778 vs 900 is 15% off. You must be in Government work if you think that margin of error is trivial.
Lmao. I love it you put words in my mouth. Really makes for a great argument.
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