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Theta9
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Posted - 2005.09.30 00:59:00 -
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i laugh at people that say nerf the ishtar
/me hahahahah
anyways
ishtar is not over powered for many reasons
1)nos ecm AND tank HAHAHAH maybe if i had 200 more cpu and about 200 more base pg but as it stands i dont have those so forget it
it not possible to fit 3 medium nos (YOU NEE
D 3 to run your reps unless you use up all mids for cap equipment but that means no ew
and tank so a nox/tank fittting requires heavy use of RCU II's
2) it is not possible to fit a tank and ECM (you run into sever cpu problems trust me) also this is just for ecm and tank lol good luck fitting anything in highs
also ecm takes a lot of cap if your using an ecm setup not to mention that the cap of running the ecm setup and the cap needed for dual rep's REQUIRES you to have at least 2 medium nos
3 if the oponent has a medium nos himself. most people seam to think the ishtar can run dual reps without cap mods but its not possible you need to use most or all mediums
in cap mods to run them for any length of time or you need nos and interesting point nos cannot work unless target is in range and medium tech 2 nos have a 12500 range so if there further your
royaly screwed
3) now pay attention this is a little tip that most people never seam to pick up and aparently is the best kept secret in eve,
DRONES ARE DESTROTYABLE!!!!!! you dont NEED a smartbomb turrets and missles (granted large guns and large sized missles have a tough time on drones but hey any bs not fitted with something to
take out frigs is BEGGING to be blown up. and heavies are prety slow so you should be able to pick a few off before they get to you once the drones are dead the ishtar is PATHETIC at least in
the damage department. (doubt it could break a frig that is tanked Ishtars are great for small engagments but put them in anything that requires 3 or 4 rounds of fighting they
arnt that great cause over time your drones will be blown up or you will have lost them already being forced to warp out.
4) the ishtar has less pg and less cpu than most tier 3 Cruisers how the hell are you planning on doing all the stuff you
are talking about with pg and cpu of that pathetic caliber. also ill point out its relatively low
hp value granted it has enough shield and armor to either shield and armor tank but wichever you choose your gona
have a somewhat low hp value (compared to other hac's) wich means if you fight an opponent with high burst damage your also in trouble
in conclusion your are not attacking the ishtars uberness your attacking its ability to have a diverse amount of setups
i mean comeon 5/5/5 is just screaming diversibility just like the Domni is diverse however i guarantee you that no matter what you try to do
you will not be able to do NOS ECM and TANK at the same time you pick 2 and sacrafice the 3rd and since you NEED nos to run the tank or EW since EW
and TANK cannot happen cause your cap will utterly suck badly thats not an option.
while i respect your opinion the fact remains that the ishtar cannot do everything your claiming it can do
the best nos hac (HAHAHAHAHAHAH) i dont see a nos bonus anywere so you must mean it can fit more of them (HAHAHAHAH)
i only see 5 high slots (most hacs have 6 save a few) so thats not it the best ew hac Yes actually since it has the highes amount of med slots it is
the better ew ship but then again that has to be filled by someone i guess the best tanking ship hahahahah if i set my deimos up right it can outtank a
ishtar (yes i sacrafice damage output but piont being i can do it zealot can FAR outtank it if setup right sac is a no brainer it can outtank it.
best 1v1 ship? possibly it has its bonuses like being able to fully tank while doing close to full damage but again it suffers from having lower than average
base cap and WAY lower than average pg and cpu and again drones are destroyable
but im going to stop now since if your dead set against it nothing is going to change your mind.
try flying one. youll change your mind
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Theta9
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Posted - 2005.09.30 01:15:00 -
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 Originally by: Jim Raynor
Theta9, here's a hint -> small nosferatu.
heres another hint -> small nos 6500 range at 10 energy aver 3 seconds lol you need 6 of them to make about what 3 mediums do if you can keep in range
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Theta9
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Posted - 2005.09.30 02:53:00 -
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Originally by: Necrologic
Originally by: Theta9
blah blah blah
Hi, i can do most of the things you just claimed to be impossible. I even discussed it in a previous post in this very thread. So your right, you can't sustain meds full of ecm and a dual rep tank. But you can do enough ecm to jam a bship and a single rep tank, while still doing the same dps as other hacs and nossing. Let's not even talk about ew mods other than ecm. And yes, it's the hac that benefits the most from nos. Sure some of the others can fit more, but it's setup and slots complement the use of nos the most. Oh and yes, as i already said i fly one. So to sum it up, No.
hmm if im not mistaken domni can do everything you just mentioned as well. lol and anothing interesting thin a megathron fitted with 5 heavy nos 3 neutron blaster's 2 L reps EW in meds and huge tank also works quite well and still has 10 heavies (while not up to 15 still nice)
raven can do 2 heavy now (is enough to more than negate your ishtar's nos can do ew and tank scorp can do it even batter.
Typhoon can do 4 heavy nos and 4 launchers ew and tank and still have 10 heavies
sacralige can do probably close to 5 mediums and an ok tank (i would love to see your ishtar last long against 5 mediums with only 2 and 3 smalls
sac has missles wich means it can have fof wich means dead drones eventually and it should be able to tank for a long time.
Vagabond setup right your drones will never touch it it goes way to fast.
Deimos LOL well im not quite sure what good dps is but against structure i have had close to 700 wreckings with heavy ion II's with only 1 damage mod at a ROF of 2.5 but i average 200 or so a hit when in range granted im in your MEDIUM nos range (i stay at about 7.5km web and scramble you but if you have a better web you may catch me but thats not the point.
soo with 200 average hit at a rof of 2.5 seconds i get about 1000 damage every 2.5 seconds and this veries and again its against un hardened armor so against 50 it would be 500 every 2.5 seconds but thats just specuilation
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Theta9
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Posted - 2005.09.30 05:45:00 -
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well ok lets say nerf the ishtar exacly how would you intend to nerf it? the ishtar is a dedicated tech 2 drone ship. thats its nitch so unless it can use 15 heavy drones it no longer has a nich. The ishtar needs 15 heavies in order to stay in line with what a hac's lowering drone bay makes it only a little better than a vexor 10 heavies arnt enough. in the end with Heavy assault ship skill lvl 5 you get 500 drone cap wich is enough for 15 heavies and 5 heavies in reserve (i usually put lights in as fof cannon foder and really fast intie killers) would you reduce the pg and cpu? well since its already got lower pg and cpu compared to tier 3 CRUISERS not much point there. Thing is there really isnt anything to nerf unless you want to make it slower but I dont really care about speed. moving some slots around? maybe but you end up with the problem of either a uber tank uber nos power or uber EW the slot layout is perfect the way it is imho so not much to do there. maybe you could add some mass to make ab's less effective. i dont really know but please tell me how you intend to nerf a ship is actually sitting just above the boarder of underpowered but because its just slightly over the bar combined with its versitilty thats were its strength comes from. Nerfing any one thing will make the ishtar completely worthless.
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Theta9
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Posted - 2005.09.30 05:50:00 -
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Edited by: Theta9 on 30/09/2005 05:51:33
thats not a problem with the ishtar so this should have put up a nerf the heavy drones in wich case i would have to agree but again i use heavies against cruisers and bs's wich they were designed and lights against inties (i have more than enough drone space) so your point there is erelevent to the nerf the ishtar post
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Theta9
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Posted - 2005.09.30 06:05:00 -
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lol technicaly a nerf the heavy drones would be a nerf to every ship that can use them (wich means almost all bs's) but that is besides the point. and i did agree with you that large drones should have as much chance at hitting a fast intie as maybe a low tracking medium gun (maybe in the 200mm railgun range) i dont know they should track better than bs guns but not as insanly as they do nos.
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